When did Julio Cesar Chavez's prime end?

I think after the taylor fight when he became super famous and started doing all the ****ing drugs and bunch of women and ****,

Marty jabinowski But seriously, I don't want to get into all that. He had a bunch of solid dudes on there, fought in front of hundreds of thousands, I think it's unfair to say he fighired out he was lucky for his whole career. Yeah that came out wrong, but losing badly and coming out with a draw, I think definitely can make you question the legitimacy of other fights...The Ramirez fight didn't need to be stopped and it was a headbutt from Chavez anyway, he always got the benefit of the doubt, e.g. Laporte fight, and the scorecards were always insane in Chavez fights, one judge scored it 119-113 in the Lockridge fight. By luck I meant Don King, Chavez is without a doubt one of the most pampered ATGs.

Just wondering... Also, think Chavez would have ever beaten a prime Oscar? Rewatched both fights and while I know he was well past it, I'm starting to doubt he would have ever beaten Oscar. It ended well before he fought Whitaker and Randall. Pernel Whitaker avoided Chavez when he was in his prime he waited until he had like 87 fights to face him. He was aware that Julio ended and destroyed his buddy carrer Meldrick Taylor who I thought was better than Whitaker before the Chavez fight. Lou Duva didn't want no part of Chavez until he was shop worn. Only a person who knows boxing will agree with me.

Lockridge was a real fighter :boxing: Marty jabinowski But seriously, I don't want to get into all that. He had a bunch of solid dudes on there, fought in front of hundreds of thousands, I think it's unfair to say he fighired out he was lucky for his whole career.

hay-Zeus Christ Superstar........ :lol1: :lol1:

It sure was. That's when you know you're the man. When you can basically tell the ref you don't want to fight any more and he says ok, off to the cards we go :lol1:. Yeah, def some bullsh*t. Chavez was en route to getting his a** beat up again. hay-Zeus Christ Superstar........

The rematch was absolute bull****. It sure was. That's when you know you're the man. When you can basically tell the ref you don't want to fight any more and he says ok, off to the cards we go :lol1:. Yeah, def some bullsh*t. Chavez was en route to getting his a** beat up again.

He did but I thought Chavez was a little slower then. The Taylor fight did take a lot from him. But that Frankie Randall would be p4p #1 today. The rematch was absolute bull****.

regardless, that doesn't make his "whole career" lucky. that's one fight. its not like taylor was the only time he stepped up in class or only time he fought a real fighter by the time he fought pea. Lockridge was a real fighter :boxing:

He did but I thought Chavez was a little slower then. The Taylor fight did take a lot from him. But that Frankie Randall would be p4p #1 today. Can't think of a current Jr WW who could beat a prime Randall. That guy was tough no doubt.

That's what I leaning towards, but it's really hard to say cause Randall fought a damn good fight. He did but I thought Chavez was a little slower then. The Taylor fight did take a lot from him. But that Frankie Randall would be p4p #1 today.

I thought he was past his prime when he fought Randall the first time. That's what I'm leaning towards, but it's really hard to say cause Randall fought a damn good fight.

Okay but whatever your views are on the Taylor fight, the blatant corruption in the scorecards is could make you question your abilities, no? regardless, that doesn't make his "whole career" lucky. that's one fight. its not like taylor was the only time he stepped up in class or only time he fought a real fighter by the time he fought pea.

i'm cosigning this entire post except the bold. Okay but whatever your views are on the Taylor fight, the blatant corruption in the scorecards is could make you question your abilities, no?

I think after Pea embarrassed him, he lost his confidence because it really showed how 'lucky' he'd been his whole career and he started doubting himself afterwards. Having said that he was still a great fighter and I heavily favor the best version of Chavez against the best version of Oscar which I think was at 135. i'm cosigning this entire post except the bold.

After the Taylor fight he toopk a lot of punishment in that fight,honestly after that he was never the same. I disagree. He was pretty damn strong and fast for many fights after Meldrick Taylor. He took a couple tune up type fights and got right back on the horse as far as I remember........like I said before, I was paying close attention to him around this time cuz of the Duplessis fight, and a couple other big fights after that that were on tV. I thought he was past his prime when he fought Randall the first time. Ding ding. I think the Pea fight is where it started to happen but defintiely by Randall. But shi t, that was so many fights into a career, its hard to imagine with guys have like 50 total fights nowadays.

damn, that's a pretty tough question. I"m by no means an expert on JCC Jr's career even though I watched almost all his fights I could get my hands on- they just seem to blend in together now. I remember hoping he was gonna get old for the Duplessis fight :lol1::lol1: cuz I'm from New Orleans, but he looked prime to me definitely through Camacho to Haugen to Sweet Pea. I don't know if it was vulnerability or just Pea himself at that time, but I know for sure he was past prime after Pea. Randall beat his ass. I think after Pea embarrassed him, he lost his confidence because it really showed how 'lucky' he'd been his whole career and he started doubting himself afterwards. Having said that he was still a great fighter and I heavily favor the best version of Chavez against the best version of Oscar which I think was at 135.

I thought he was past his prime when he fought Randall the first time.

damn, that's a pretty tough question. I"m by no means an expert on JCC Jr's career even though I watched almost all his fights I could get my hands on- they just seem to blend in together now. I remember hoping he was gonna get old for the Duplessis fight :lol1::lol1: cuz I'm from New Orleans, but he looked prime to me definitely through Camacho to Haugen to Sweet Pea. I don't know if it was vulnerability or just Pea himself at that time, but I know for sure he was past prime after Pea. Randall beat his ass.