The punches on the back of the head (Berto-Ortiz)

I hate clinchers. There has to be clearer rules put into place to stop boxers from doing it so much. It ruins fights. Yeah, it's called excessive clinching. They're supposed to DEDUCT a point for that, but the ref clearly had an agenda.

the point deduction was bullshiit. it wouldn't have happened if berto didn't clinch so fukkin much I hate clinchers. There has to be clearer rules put into place to stop boxers from doing it so much. It ruins fights.

What did you guys think of the deducting and constant warning? I believed that it was due to Berto leaning and turning of the head was the reason for those punches. the point deduction was bullshiit. it wouldn't have happened if berto didn't clinch so fukkin much

Same sh*t hgappened vs Quintana. He got dropped in the first rd of that fight too by a punch in the back of the head. Berto needs to stop that sh*t. hes not the only one that does it. amir khan does it all the time. he uses it as an escape because he lacks the ability to fight on the inside. b hop does it too, but he does it intentionally.

I agreed with larry merchant when he said the ref was imposing himself too much (and he even made a comment like, "we didn't come here to see YOU!") Also I felt if he was going to be that strict with Ortiz, he should have been equally as strict with Berto. He never warned Berto for his constant clinching. He also broke them too soon imo, often times as it's been pointed out, Ortiz still had a hand free and was working the inside (he snuck in a number of nice uppercuts when berto was clinching). this is why i dont think the clinching was excessive. they were still fighting and punching and berto was still getting the worst of it. berto hardly clinches intelligently. anyways, i agree, they should have been allowed to punch themselves out more

i agree with what was said, it was a bad deduction. berto put himself in that position a few times and even then i didnt see enough rabbit punching to justify a deduction. lol...ref must have never seen b hop fight.

It was ridiculous Berto wasn't deducted for excessively clinching. He was the one who was bending down, like that, how was Ortiz supposed to deal with that all night? He can't constantly pull his punches to avoid it.

I agreed with larry merchant when he said the ref was imposing himself too much (and he even made a comment like, "we didn't come here to see YOU!") Also I felt if he was going to be that strict with Ortiz, he should have been equally as strict with Berto. He never warned Berto for his constant clinching. He also broke them too soon imo, often times as it's been pointed out, Ortiz still had a hand free and was working the inside (he snuck in a number of nice uppercuts when berto was clinching). Yup and I heard the team Berto made big stinks to the referee about Bertos clinching after the fight, and he still tolerated it was unbearable man, and yeah part of Ortiz success is when he made some space in the clinches and started punching, and the ref sometimes interfered with that.

yeah it was, it was a stupid point deduction cause berto leaned in while ortiz just tried landing shots...it doesn't matter anymore cause ortiz came out on top. Can't +k anymore but thanks for the input.

What did you guys think of the deducting and constant warning? I believed that it was due to Berto leaning and turning of the head was the reason for those punches. yeah it was, it was a stupid point deduction cause berto leaned in while ortiz just tried landing shots...it doesn't matter anymore cause ortiz came out on top.

when fighter turn their back or lean like that what do they expect to happen?! ortiz does have a habit of rabbit punching but berto was responsible for many but not all of them. the point could have been justified but not when it was actually deducted. and there def shoulda been more hard warnings and at least 1 pt deducted to berto for the excessive holding. I believe even after a clinch Berto suddenly turned around walking away, even the referee looked shocked.

when fighter turn their back or lean like that what do they expect to happen?! ortiz does have a habit of rabbit punching but berto was responsible for many but not all of them. the point could have been justified but not when it was actually deducted. and there def shoulda been more hard warnings and at least 1 pt deducted to berto for the excessive holding. bump... :boxing::boxing::boxing::boxing:

when fighter turn their back or lean like that what do they expect to happen?! ortiz does have a habit of rabbit punching but berto was responsible for many but not all of them. the point could have been justified but not when it was actually deducted timing wise. as well i dont know why time was given for him to recover, i thought time was only allotted for low blows. there def shoulda been more hard warnings and at least 1 pt deducted to berto for the excessive holding, i had more issue with that ...