I'd give Ortiz a better shot at beating Mayweather than Manny...............

He wouldn't fight Ortiz imo. Only way Mayweather would fight someone like him, is if he lost his zero to someone else, was broke, and needed money, and that was the viable option to make the most money. Haven't we heard this before? Someone else being more dangerous for Floyd than Manny? Namely....Mosley? I'd like to see the fight, I think it would be a good tune-up since he's been off a year. The only question that I have is, will GBP be willing to put him in there with Mayweather yet? Thought this would be a nice little bump as I take a break from writing my paper.

Ortiz landed 2 jabs against Peterson and 15 against Berto.... lame number against Maidana as well... Floyd has better jab numbers in 3 rounds against Shane than Victor has in his total last 3 fights. Ortiz has tools... but he ain't jabbing anything. Also, you mentioned he was consistent??? WHAT?!?! I'm a fan of Victor but he is far from consistent at anything... Did you watch the Peterson fight? Maidana? vs Berto he overcame alot and showed heart and grit but they both took alot of punishment. Victor needs to improve his overall defense, he needs to JAB more than 20 times a fight, and he needs to move his damn head. His head is the reason for all the problems he has. He is such an easy target because it doesn't move. I just can't see Vic troubling Floyd with no jab... I don't think Pacman could give him problems either

So how high do you rank Marcos Maidana? I'm just f*ckin with you man, your opinion, you're entitled to it, but this sounds like the same sh*t they said about Shane Mosley before the fight with Mayweather, they said, he's stronger than Manny, moves just as well if not better, he's as fast if not faster, he's more technically sound and has better defense, and they also said he's bigger than Manny, Floyd vs Mosley match-up better...I'm just sayin' and need I remind you they started saying similar sh*t about Kermit Cintron when he was rumored to fight Floyd back in late 2009, early 2010..... To be fair, I said from day one that Mosley-Mayweather would not be a competitive fight.

I'd give Ortiz a better shot at beating Mayweather than Manny, cause Manny has no chance imo. Ortiz is more dangerous to Mayweather than what Manny is imo. Ortiz is big, strong, powerful, consistent, a lefty, but one who has a good jab, and sound fundamentals. A worry for Ortiz in a fight with Mayweather, is whether Ortiz is good enough at cutting the ring down when pressing, if Mayweather was able to draw him foward and was trying to use his movement to offset him. Ortiz is a skilled, consistent, 5ft 9, power punching lefty. That would give Mayweather problems imo. I give Manny little chance of beating Mayweather. Manny's defense isn't good enough when on the the front foot, he doesn't have the ability to create his openings aside from feinting his way in, as he has no jab. Mayweather would paint Manny with lead right hands, counters uppercuts when he was shooting in with the big left, offset him with movement imo. Mayweather just has more ways to win against him, than what he has against Mayweather, not to mention the physical disparity between the two in terms of length. I'd rather seen Mayweather vs Ortiz, only I think Floyd is smart enough to understand that Ortiz potentially posses a lot more problems stylistically. So how high do you rank Marcos Maidana? I'm just f*ckin with you man, your opinion, you're entitled to it, but this sounds like the same sh*t they said about Shane Mosley before the fight with Mayweather, they said, he's stronger than Manny, moves just as well if not better, he's as fast if not faster, he's more technically sound and has better defense, and they also said he's bigger than Manny, Floyd vs Mosley match-up better...I'm just sayin' and need I remind you they started saying similar sh*t about Kermit Cintron when he was rumored to fight Floyd back in late 2009, early 2010.....

I think Floyd beats them both. But Ortiz is an easier fight. Hes too slow, too flat footed and has absolutely zero defence. Pacquiao throwing punches with speed and power from crazy angles in the southpaw stance is what gives him a chance against Floyd imo.

stop bumping this dumb thread, Dynamite Kid. Please. Why? to protect the mental equilibrium of those that cant handle my opinion? I aint censoring my opinion for nobody, just cause they cant handle it.

This thread reminds me of Horus's little gem "Mayweather vs Spadafora or 'Lamount' Peterson would be epic". Anybody who thinks Pacquiao is going to be "easy" for Mayweather, so much so that it will be "a one sided beat down", is either completely biased towards Floyd or so blind they can't see past their own nose and has never really watched Pacquiao fight and just a hater who can't give props. Of course Pacquiao has his flaws, but to give Ortiz a better chance skill wise vs Mayweather then Manny is outright insulting. To actually say that Ortiz would be a more competitive fight against Mayweather then Pacquiao is absolutely absurd. Its not about who is a better fighter, Ortiz or Manny, its about who's style cooperates more with Mayweather's. Now straight off the bat you would say, well that's Ortiz, cause he's a punching machine, and Mayweather's biggest flaw, is probably his activity level, but the key to that IMO, is that Mayweather's the most accurate fighter in Boxing, and Manny has a poor defense. Mayweather has every counter punch in the book, is longer so he can control and dictate distance with that reach. Said it before, will say it again, no one who applies pressure and neglects their defense is going to beat Mayweather. Its not so much I give Ortiz is a greater chance, I just find more intrigue in that fight, cause whilst I think Mayweather would probably win, there is still enough of a ? mark to make it interesting. I think Ortiz's physical dimensions might bridge the gap in experience that he lacks, that Manny has over him, simply cause Manny lacks those important intangibles.

This thread reminds me of Horus's little gem "Mayweather vs Spadafora or 'Lamount' Peterson would be epic". Anybody who thinks Pacquiao is going to be "easy" for Mayweather, so much so that it will be "a one sided beat down", is either completely biased towards Floyd or so blind they can't see past their own nose and has never really watched Pacquiao fight and just a hater who can't give props. Of course Pacquiao has his flaws, but to give Ortiz a better chance skill wise vs Mayweather then Manny is outright insulting. To actually say that Ortiz would be a more competitive fight against Mayweather then Pacquiao is absolutely absurd. I dont think it will be a one sided beat down, I think Manny wish push Mayweather in terms of forcing more offensive out of him, make him fight at a faster pace than he would like, but that it will be Mayweather consistently landing the cleaner accurate shots. How you gonna pressure a guy who's output is based on how many opportunities your create for him with your aggression, when you have a poor defense, and he wont stand still for you, can hit you from further away, is more skilled?

This thread reminds me of Horus's little gem "Mayweather vs Spadafora or 'Lamount' Peterson would be epic". Anybody who thinks Pacquiao is going to be "easy" for Mayweather, so much so that it will be "a one sided beat down", is either completely biased towards Floyd or so blind they can't see past their own nose and has never really watched Pacquiao fight and just a hater who can't give props. Of course Pacquiao has his flaws, but to give Ortiz a better chance skill wise vs Mayweather then Manny is outright insulting. To actually say that Ortiz would be a more competitive fight against Mayweather then Pacquiao is absolutely absurd.

Yep, that's it, but some people would rather believe what they wanna believe. Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story eh? Lol My main point is, I think a fight with Ortiz-Mayweather has more intrigue in it stylistically, than what Manny -Floyd does, as I dont think Manny has the physical dimensions to compete with Mayweather. That's exactly what I said.

Castillo applied intelligent pressure. Castillo used his and shoulder feints as he came foward to offset Mayweather from leading off on him, whilst not putting anything out there Mayweather could counter off of, that helped him maneuver Mayweather out of center ring, then he stalked Mayweather off the front foot, made Mayweather feel uncomfortable, made him have to lead off more than he would like, he essentially applied that mental pressure, then when he saw Floyd in vulnerable spots, he stepped in with his aggression. Ima tell you now, no one with a poor defense is gonna beat Mayweather. Castillo doesn't have a great defense, but he tucked up well in this fight, used the head and shoulder feints as he rolled foward. Also, Castillo is longer than Manny. Your oversimplifying things if you think just cause Manny is consistently aggressive, that he's gonna beat Mayweather. But I wasn't, where did I insinuate that? I was just making light of the fact someone thinks Castillo had success by applying pressure, so Manny will be able to do the same. Your post is ridiculous, cause your responding to something I aint saying. Good for you..

Both? Fact is you were comparing how Castillo fought Mayweather as the blueprint and how Ortiz can carry and use that blueprint, My point? Is Ortiz isnt Castillo in the experience department, He might have the same physical attribute that Castillo had going into a Mayweather fight but he doesnt have the necessary experience to fight the sameway castillo did, Moreover Ortiz would be fighting a more experienced Mayweather while Castillo fought a Mayweather who wasnt as much experience and according to reports injured. secondly what agenda are you talking about? You were the one talking up about how you do not want Mayweather beating on Manny because that would erase all the "accusation of him ducking in the Past" I personally dont give a shiit if he ducked any Top rank fighters, And i couldnt care less if he beats Manny because beating Manny doesnt = Beating Cotto and Margarito in 2008.. So your post is as ridiculous as your thread. But I wasn't, where did I insinuate that? I was just making light of the fact someone thinks Castillo had success by applying pressure, so Manny will be able to do the same. Your post is ridiculous, cause your responding to something I aint saying.

It was both, like it wouldn't of helped if Castillo was as short as Manny, it wouldn't of helped if he were a slow fighter, or had stamina issues, lacked durability. Ray, you have a self serving agenda regarding Mayweather, we've established that before. You would rather him fight Manny so he can banish all his critics, make up with one fight, all the ducking he's been doing for the last how many years. Both? Fact is you were comparing how Castillo fought Mayweather as the blueprint and how Ortiz can carry and use that blueprint, My point? Is Ortiz isnt Castillo in the experience department, He might have the same physical attribute that Castillo had going into a Mayweather fight but he doesnt have the necessary experience to fight the sameway castillo did, Moreover Ortiz would be fighting a more experienced Mayweather while Castillo fought a Mayweather who wasnt as much experience and according to reports injured. secondly what agenda are you talking about? You were the one talking up about how you do not want Mayweather beating on Manny because that would erase all the "accusation of him ducking in the Past" I personally dont give a shiit if he ducked any Top rank fighters, And i couldnt care less if he beats Manny because beating Manny doesnt = Beating Cotto and Margarito in 2008.. So your post is as ridiculous as your thread.

An experienced fighter like Castillo was able to do that because he has the experience not the physical attribute to pull it off, He also fought a Mayweather who was less experience, Within 6 months of the fight a rematch turn out slightly different due to Mayweather learning from the first fight. It was both, like it wouldn't of helped if Castillo was as short as Manny, it wouldn't of helped if he were a slow fighter, or had stamina issues, lacked durability. Ray, you have a self serving agenda regarding Mayweather, we've established that before. You would rather him fight Manny so he can banish all his critics, make up with one fight, all the ducking he's been doing for the last how many years.

Castillo applied intelligent pressure. Castillo used his and shoulder feints as he came foward to offset Mayweather from leading off on him, whilst not putting anything out there Mayweather could counter off of, that helped him maneuver Mayweather out of center ring, then he stalked Mayweather off the front foot, made Mayweather feel uncomfortable, made him have to lead off more than he would like, he essentially applied that mental pressure, then when he saw Floyd in vulnerable spots, he stepped in with his aggression. Ima tell you now, no one with a poor defense is gonna beat Mayweather. Castillo doesn't have a great defense, but he tucked up well in this fight, used the head and shoulder feints as he rolled foward. Also, Castillo is longer than Manny. Your oversimplifying things if you think just cause Manny is consistently aggressive, that he's gonna beat Mayweather. An experienced fighter like Castillo was able to do that because he has the experience not the physical attribute to pull it off, He also fought a Mayweather who was less experience, Within 6 months of the fight a rematch turn out slightly different due to Mayweather learning from the first fight.

No chance. Ortiz doesn't possess the style to give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao. You need to put pressure and throw a lot of punches to rattle Mayweather. Ortiz doesn't have these attributes under his arsenal. Pacquiao is his worse nightmare, because he fights at a high tempo, and will force Mayweather to fight every second of the fight. Castillo had success due the pressure he put on Mayweather. Ortiz will end up taking a beating and probably outclassed. Ortiz will play a game of chess with Mayweather like the rest of his opponents, he isn't accustomed to beat Mayweather. This thread is absolute nonsense and ignorance. Castillo applied intelligent pressure. Castillo used his and shoulder feints as he came foward to offset Mayweather from leading off on him, whilst not putting anything out there Mayweather could counter off of, that helped him maneuver Mayweather out of center ring, then he stalked Mayweather off the front foot, made Mayweather feel uncomfortable, made him have to lead off more than he would like, he essentially applied that mental pressure, then when he saw Floyd in vulnerable spots, he stepped in with his aggression. Ima tell you now, no one with a poor defense is gonna beat Mayweather. Castillo doesn't have a great defense, but he tucked up well in this fight, used the head and shoulder feints as he rolled foward. Also, Castillo is longer than Manny. Your oversimplifying things if you think just cause Manny is consistently aggressive, that he's gonna beat Mayweather.

Read the first line, his main point is that he gives Manny no shot~, if you give a guy no shot you could name anyone and give them a better shot because the other guy has none~ If you don't get hat then I don't know what to tell you, but you certainly should not be calling other people names based on intelligence. Yep, that's it, but some people would rather believe what they wanna believe. Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story eh? Lol My main point is, I think a fight with Ortiz-Mayweather has more intrigue in it stylistically, than what Manny -Floyd does, as I dont think Manny has the physical dimensions to compete with Mayweather.

Well they would be different fights, you have pretty much laid out why I don't really give Manny much of a shot against Floyd outside of straight out being a much better man that takes everything and is able to dish out more. Floyd fights smart and has the range advantage, there is no way that he does not make Manny pay for every inch of real estate, then when Manny gets into his range Floyd would most likely step inside tie up then work from there with his forearm push. Ortiz I don't know, that could be an interesting fight I certainly would not favor Ortiz but I would not count him out if he is determined like he was this weekend because there is really no doubting his ability. Agreed. Precisely.

Floyd beats both fighters. Both fighters beat Ortiz. But I give him a better shot against Manny. Manny is easier to catch flush then Floyd (yeah I know, Shane 2nd round blah, blah) and Ortiz hits harder then anyone Pac has fought. So in theory, Pac could get caught and stopped. But in truth, Pac would see that hand drop just like Berto did and hurt Ortiz (although he may not stop him since Pac doesnt really stop people anymore). Floyd would just box and move to a UD. But if I was the matchmaker for Ortiz, I would be chasing after Pac as quick as I could. Or better yet, waiting for him to retire and trying to take his place.

look guys dont waste your time with the Flomos. its not a logical argument with them. its like blasphemy to their god if you desicrate their lords name. anyways im not completely sold on the ts's theory i think manny beats floyd better than voctor does. and in my opinion its a confidence and pedigree thing. fixed.. Geez Flomos are stupid