Williams vs Ortiz make it happen

LOL @ Ruiz being top 3 HW of the last decade. you must've lost your mind. Klitschkos and Lennox would own the top 3. Lennox's 1 vitory over Vitali > Ruiz's entire career. Never moved the goal post. you are just a retard that keeps calling things inaccurately. I never said Paul doesn't have a chance. So stop arguing with your imaginary friends. If Paul came back and beat Ortiz for his WW belt, that would definitely be a feat of greatness. He could go from being washed up good fighter to a great come back story. not HOF worthy but it would be a great feat. However the odds are heavily stacked against him simply because of history. Most people who get cold clocked do not come back the same. that is simply an educated opinion based on facts heavily supporting it. You're the retard kid that wants to argue against it using exceptions to the rule. it ain't nothing new. but retardation and stubbornness is the worst combination to have. With that said. I've wasted enough time entertaining you. I didn't know they let kids style up this late at the asylum. Who says it's a rule first of all? It goes by case by case again you dumb ****. There is no rule. Actually the rule might be that is worse to comeback from a true devastating beating than it is being KO'd cold in a couple of rounds. Now that might be a rule. What you're stating is not a rule you dumb ****. And, 10 years of work is better than 3 years of work. Yes Lewis has the best lone win. But, one lone win does not surpass a whole resume. I don't know why you keep thinking this. :nonono: You really are retarded? Are you a Floyd fan? I hope so...I would be embarrassed as a Pac fan if you were a Pac fan.

Ortiz body bags that bum.

Arguello and Pep has victories over prime HOF competition. Tszyu does not. Once again, those are 2 exceptions to the rule. If you look at the ATG rankings vast majority of them are title holders in multiple weight divisions. what part of that do you not understand? For every Arguello and Pep you name I can give you Ray Robinson, Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, ODHL, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Hearns ..... The fact is multiple weight championship is more revered over single weight class domination by a huge margin. That is an accurate perimeter based on facts. you are owned historically and logically. Shane Mosley wasn't out of his prime because he still knocked out Antonio Margarito after losing to Cotto. That was Shane's 2nd best career win after ODLH. So you can't say Shane wasn't in his prime. Irregardless, Tszyu never came close to beating an HOFer at this stage of their career. Try again Forrest. Ahhh. Arguello won titles in multiple divisions. What are you talking about? I mentioned him cuz he got not only outboxed in one fight but also KO'd in his prime. Doesn't take away from his greatness. Which was some silly point you tried to make for Kostya. Again moving up, is all good. But, if you never beat the best nor win a legit championship then is not as good as cleaning out a division. Yes Kostya has a win not only against a HOF'er but an ATG. True he doesn't have a win against a prime HOF'er but neither does Cotto. And, for every one of those fighters you name, you can also name a Pep, Monzon, Hagler, Wilde. Louis, Ali...Blah blah blah. Like I said moron is a 50/50. It goes case by case. You're fucking retarded.

Arguello and Pep has victories over prime HOF competition. Tszyu does not. Once again, those are 2 exceptions to the rule. If you look at the ATG rankings vast majority of them are title holders in multiple weight divisions. what part of that do you not understand? For every Arguello and Pep you name I can give you Ray Robinson, Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, ODHL, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Hearns ..... The fact is multiple weight championship is more revered over single weight class domination by a huge margin. That is an accurate perimeter based on facts. you are owned historically and logically. Shane Mosley wasn't out of his prime because he still knocked out Antonio Margarito after losing to Cotto. That was Shane's 2nd best career win after ODLH. So you can't say Shane wasn't in his prime. Irregardless, Tszyu never came close to beating an HOFer at this stage of their career. Try again Forrest. Ahhh. Arguello won titles in multiple divisions. What are you talking about? I mentioned him cuz he got not only outboxed in one fight but also KO'd in his prime. Doesn't take away from his greatness. Which was some silly point you tried to make for Kostya. Again moving up, is all good. But, if you never beat the best nor win a legit championship then is not as good as cleaning out a division. Yes Kostya has a win not only against a HOF'er but an ATG. True he doesn't have a win against a prime HOF'er but neither does Cotto. You're fucking retarded.

I said nobody came back the same. Ruiz came back as a shell-shock clinch and holder exclusively. He never went onto greatness either. If history is way too long for it to be on my side then you can start popping off knocked-cold cases that came back to be great. Or I'm gonna call bullsh!t on you again............................. Ruiz is arguable a top 3 HW in the last decade. Not great. But, wasn't ruin. Far from it. Now you changing the goal post again. You try to make it seem like that type of KO ruins fighters. Now they have to achieve greatness after getting KO'd. :lol1:. Beating Ortiz is not greatness anyways so P-Will has a chance. Both Tony Demarco and Rocky Graziano had very good wins after being put to sleep. Just a couple more examples. I just want to see you change the goal post again before naming others.

Cotto has never ever lost to someone the level of Vernon Philips in his prime. Cotto's loss to Margarito will not be upheld in history because of the scandal with Margarito's handraps. Kostya doesn't have such a story. He was stopped by a journeyman. That tarnishes his legacy. Well in that case Cotto>>>Arguello :lol1: Fucking ey. Sometimes going up divisions is not as good as dominating one division? So you agree that most of the times winning championships in multiple weight divisions is greater than unifying one division right? Okay now that we've settled that. Ahhh...No really is 50/50. Pep only fought in one weight-class is arguably a top 5 ATG. It goes by case bu case basis. You would have a case IF and only IF Kostya has any victories over legit HOFers in their prime. He doesn't. Your opinion = BULL****E I feel like I'm talking to Forrest Gump here. Well neither does Cotto, Mosley wasn't prime when they fought.

I didn't ask for 1 example. I can give you 1 example of anything. that is retarded. but i can't expect anymore from you. Hey i know a guy that got hit by lightening. We must've all been hit by lighening right? DERP DER DERR If you want to make a case for someone like Paul Williams coming back, you gotta tabulate a list of examples to make your case. History is on my side. Sorry son. Well basically you did cuz' you said NOBODY has done it. Now that I that I told you somebody have. You change the goal post. It's OK. Obviously you were wrong when you said NOBODY right? Who has Paul stopped cold? he is a walking bingo stick right now. Nobody has ever come back from a stiff KO like that the same. And, no history is waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too long for it to be on your side.

LOL at people who think Paul Williams can still make 147

at 147? that would be great Williams KO'd again and Milton will be gone :joker:

i never changed the goal post. that assessment in itself is inaccurate and dumb. i am simply looking at another contributing factor for Ruiz's comeback. Anyway, in any case, Ruiz is the EXCEPTION to the rule BECAUSE OF HIS STYLE. You cant look at Yao Ming and say all Chinese are tall right? Now, I'll be waiting as you tabulate the list of fighters that came back to beat great fighters with KO power after being iced cold. You ask for an example and I gave you one. Maybe if you watch boxing before 2007 you would know WTF you're talking about.

LOL @ this asshat throwing mud on Cotto's achievements while cooking upTszyu's turds (comparatively speaking). Champion in multiple weight classes > domination of one weight class This has been proven historically time and time again. RJJ Jr, Leonard, Duran and Pac. best fighters of the last 40 years are all upheld because of this. Getting a long running streak in one weight class is good but Tszyu never dared to be great. and that is why his resume is so thin. Hello, his best win is Judah for God sakes. Get that **** outta here. Cotto has a legit win over a first ballot hall of famer and 3 division belt holder > 1 division champ with career best win over Zab Judah. 3 paper titles though. Cotto was 0 times legit champion. Kostya was a legit champion. second point those guys actually beat the best fighter in at least one of the divisions they campaigned in. Cotto has NEVER EVER done that. Kostya did it. Sometimes going up divisions is not as good as dominating one division. Especially if one you don't become a legit champ and/or two beat the best fighter in your division at least once. Cotto has done neither, Kostya has done both. Please STFU.

damn, even though i like ortiz, i think paul can possibly take it, thats if the KO loss from maravilla didnt mess his mentality up. also, im not even sure paul can make WW comfortably. all that still remains to be seen. it would be a hell of a fight though, definitely proof victor's ability and will at WW more than berto imo

as with any case, a sequence needs to be dissected from multiple perspectives that would lead to the most probable outcome. you have to look at the severity of the KO and the style of the fighter. those are 2 of the most apparent contributing factors to future KO's. LOL @ the ignorant fool trying to hurl insults when cornered with logic. I'm not being cornered with anything :lol1: You just changing the goal post. First who has been KO'd so severely and comeback. Then who has been KO'd cold, then who has been KO'd cold but not a defensive style. Just keep changing it. It is what it is man. :lol1: believe you of all people can not corner me.

How is Tszyu greater than Cotto? Make your case and prepare to sound retarded. Because, he dominated a weight-class for half a decade(Cotto never did this), cleaned out the division(Cotto never done this), unified the division(I don't think Cotto ever did this), became undisputed in the division(Cotto has never come close to this). Actually beat the best fighter in the division(Cotto never did this BTW). What makes Cotto greater? Because, he won 3 paper titles in 3 divisions? 2 of them being vacant? And, then if you want to go with wins...Cotto has the better one win. The Mosley win is better than any ONE win of Kostya. I won't argue that. But, one win doesn't surpass a WHOLE resume. And, if you match every win after that lone win Kostya owns Cotto. Now make your stupid ass case. Bring up something that I haven't brought up.

no it wasn't. he wasn't out cold. he fell and he was conscious got up under his own power within seconds. completely different levels of trauma. Paul Williams was concussed. Brain shut down and all that. John Ruiz always had a defensive style. he became an exclusive roman greco boxer after Tua as well and of course never beat a great fighter. Is Paul Williams defensive holder? No. Oh so now it's about a style it's not about brain shut out...I gotcha, lets keep moving the goal post. :lol1: F'ing idiot.

are you retarded? If Kostya Tzyu is a first ballot then Cotto is a shoe-in. Legit 3 division weight champ and fought the best of his time. Only 1 loss to the greatest of the decade and another loss in question. Cotto is first balloter. No not at all. Are you retarded? Tszyu>>>>Cotto. Again if Curry nor Booker is in the HOF then Cotto is not a shoe in at all.

fell down. still moving is not cold. cold = Duran KO was just as vicious as P-Will. But, anyways fine Ruiz against Tua. He was out cold. And, was out cold on his feet and took a couple extra shots from real puncher. A KO artist. And cameback better and stronger than ever. There are other examples throughout history. That have comeback after being out cold. Whether or not P-Will can remains to be seen. He could very well comeback or better or his chin might be crack. He's a question mark right now.

Cotto is a first ballot HOFer. how is he not comparable to James Toney? Toney has been caught on roids. His entire legacy is in question due to the scandal. He's the Jose Canseco of boxing. and he smeared boxing's public image by taking a joke fight in the UFC for a paycheque. don't even compare him to a true great like Cotto. Now that aside, Amir was never stopped coold. Dura was never stopped cold. Holyfield was never stopped cold. Lennox Lewis was never stopped cold. Do you even know what stopped cold means? Ahhh....No he's not. If Donald Curry is not a first ballot HOF'er, hell if Curry or Booker are in the HOF. Then for damn sure Cotto is not a first ballot HOF'er. And, Toney is a borderline ATG, Cotto is not, Cotto is a borderline HOF'er. Not comparable at all man.

At 154, P-Will beats Ortiz handily. At 147? Depending in how P-Will handles that weight. If the weight weakens him than Ortiz wins. If P-Will can make the weight healthy and still be strong then I will favor P-Will.

Who has Paul stopped cold? he is a walking bingo stick right now. Nobody has ever come back from a stiff KO like that the same. Duran?????