"Andre Berto is a slick African American fighter who Manny is ducking"

If he was slick why couldn't to Ortiz? Slick fighters can't lose? not saying that, ortiz had problems with Peterson, who should he could be slick. Berto is stronger and has more power, slick fighters are like floyd, b-hop, ward, even martinez, willie pep fights slick, not all slick fighters are black, just that the majority of African American fighters fight this way, but there are a few exceptions, shane mosley berto, and on and on.berto is a bralwer, he is a boxer puncher, he is offense first.

berto ain't slick, wtf. if he was slick he wouldn't have lost to ortiz. he's a poor mans shane mosley If he was slick why couldn't to Ortiz? Slick fighters can't lose?

berto ain't slick, wtf. if he was slick he wouldn't have lost to ortiz. he's a poor mans shane mosley

Unfortunately, life doesn't move in hindsight or we'd all be prophets. Pacquiao has gone out of his way to take the best low-risk opponent possible. If Ortiz loses down the line, it won't reverse the past and make him a worse option than a welter Marquez today. Stop trying to give Pacquiao victories he hasn't won. Paul Williams, Andre Berto and whomever were beaten by other people willing to take the risk Pacquiao wasn't up to. Are you going to make a thread about Sergio Martinez or Floyd Mayweather when they lose, crowing how they weren't really that deserving of a Pacquiao bout either? Your logic, as usual, makes no sense.

o rly?....

Andre Berto isn't even african american.

I'm with you for the most part man.. I also wanted Manny to fight Berto over Mosley.. but how would that help Pacquiaos resume? Who has Berto defeated that was even close to top level competition? He had a questionable fight with Collazo and didn't even want that rematch. We all talk about titles/undefeated record not meaning a damn thing nowadays.. and Berto was a prime example. Had that been Pacquiao taking Bertos '0' excuses woulda been all over the place.. sayin Berto was green/not talented/plodder/come forward fighter/punching bag.. At the end of the day.. anybody Manny faces other than Floyd/Martinez would be a mismatch.. so I just enjoy the show. THE KING - "Manny is already an ATG based on what he did at 130, everything else is just icing on the cake"

The problem with me and my opinion about berto is nothing about me being a fan of pacquaio but more of my criticism of berto. I never liked berto as a fighter since of that robbery against collazo. Berto got exposed in that fight and since then was cherry picking light welterweights to fight at 147 and out of prime fighters. I always thought berto was a low stamina, hugging, no skilled, chinny fighter since collazo fight. Add the fact that after the whole earthquake incident that he straight out ducked mosley in the renegotiation of that fight. Add that i am also a very big fan of Shane and i still think Shot shane is better than Berto ass now. The only fight i wouldnt criticize is marquez or bradley at 140, floyd at 147 or pacquaio moving up 154 to fight Martinez. Anybody else around are just fodders and hypejobs. And even before berto lost, that i still feel that a shot shane is better than berto. That is how much lowly i feel of berto sorry ass. And also i feel that bradley can also beat berto at 147 since berto is an idiot in the ring. Also add that i feel both berto and shane would do nothing for pacquaio legacy at their point of career.

I'm not saying it would have great for pac's resume. Just better. Shane does nothing. I'm a fan of PAC and I'd rather at least shut people up about him only fighting old guys and the dumbest of all (floyd's leftovers). Obviously no fight is going to be perfect for him except Floyd. But PAC would have a young undefeated physically prime titleholder scalp at ww. Floyd is on vacay and dodging so that's not gonna happen. No one wants to see PAC-mosley after shames last two performances except people who just wanna see PAC fight anyone. I can see where you're coming from with that.. and agree for the most part. Manny should have went after Bertos belt then this would be a non-issue.

I'm with you for the most part man.. I also wanted Manny to fight Berto over Mosley.. but how would that help Pacquiaos resume? Who has Berto defeated that was even close to top level competition? He had a questionable fight with Collazo and didn't even want that rematch. We all talk about titles/undefeated record not meaning a damn thing nowadays.. and Berto was a prime example. Had that been Pacquiao taking Bertos '0' excuses woulda been all over the place.. sayin Berto was green/not talented/plodder/come forward fighter/punching bag.. At the end of the day.. anybody Manny faces other than Floyd/Martinez would be a mismatch.. so I just enjoy the show. I'm not saying it would have great for pac's resume. Just better. Shane does nothing. I'm a fan of PAC and I'd rather at least shut people up about him only fighting old guys and the dumbest of all (floyd's leftovers). Obviously no fight is going to be perfect for him except Floyd. But PAC would have a young undefeated physically prime titleholder scalp at ww. Floyd is on vacay and dodging so that's not gonna happen. No one wants to see PAC-mosley after shames last two performances except people who just wanna see PAC fight anyone.

I challenge u to find any post ever,when I said Berto can beat Pacman.If I don't think Berto could have beaten him,there isn't any reason to even say Pacman was scared. Another thing,what have Clottey,Margarito or Mosley done since pacman was at 147 & above to deserve the fight.U know why U won't answer that??Because there is really nothing U can say. Dude how many years have you been a fan of this sport? (Which is why I suggested you to switch to something else.) These fighters have something in common: Top Rank, and the other has to break away from GBP to get it. This is not something fans has any control over, and you know this don't you? This is boxing, not US Open.

when the thread about manny never facing a slick african american fighter before tell me didnt flomos mention berto's name??? Absolutely his name came up...but like I posted in my first comment in this Thread "WHO EVER SAID BERTO IS SLICK IS STUPID" because HE IS NOT! Berto is not Slick and neither is Mosley, yeah THEY ARE BLACK...but neither is considered SLICK by fans who actually KNOWS BOXING Berto name came up...NOT BECAUSE HE WAS SLICK...but more so because at the time he was rated the 3rd Best Welterweight behind only Manny and Mayweather, so yeah of course he name was going to come up, even though he wasn't ready and wasn't tested up until the Ortiz fight and he FAILED his 1st Big Test Mayweather and Pacquiao has stupid fans who post stupid stuff on a daily basis, it doesn't mean what they are saying is RIGHT

I'll ask the same question to this a$$hole. Who did Andre Berto beat to deserve a shot at Pac? This is even so fukking silly to me that idiots like this make it sound as if Pac fans fear Berto for Pac. LMAO! Are you fukking serious? What fukking idiots. There's no sense in talking civilly with these peeps. It's impossible. I challenge u to find any post ever,when I said Berto can beat Pacman.If I don't think Berto could have beaten him,there isn't any reason to even say Pacman was scared. Another thing,what have Clottey,Margarito or Mosley done since pacman was at 147 & above to deserve the fight.U know why U won't answer that??Because there is really nothing U can say.

Le many anti PAC people claimed this, bottom line is that a young undefeated titleholder would have been a better fight for manny than an ancient Shane mosley who is considered shot. Shane is a lose lose for manny. And PAC fans need to chill with that "Shane is an atg or hof'er" shi t. Fitting a guy just for his scalp when the fight is likely to be a joke gets u less credit. Berto would have been a better fight On paper and resume wise. Question is how many Pac fans object to Pac taking on Berto? I could dig up countless threads about Berto vs Pac and most of those threads were about how Berto is still not ready for Pac. And most of them come from non-Pac fans. Who would want Mosley over Berto if you're a Pac fan?

Le many anti PAC people claimed this, bottom line is that a young undefeated titleholder would have been a better fight for manny than an ancient Shane mosley who is considered shot. Shane is a lose lose for manny. And PAC fans need to chill with that "Shane is an atg or hof'er" shi t. Fitting a guy just for his scalp when the fight is likely to be a joke gets u less credit. Berto would have been a better fight On paper and resume wise. I'm with you for the most part man.. I also wanted Manny to fight Berto over Mosley.. but how would that help Pacquiaos resume? Who has Berto defeated that was even close to top level competition? He had a questionable fight with Collazo and didn't even want that rematch. We all talk about titles/undefeated record not meaning a damn thing nowadays.. and Berto was a prime example. Had that been Pacquiao taking Bertos '0' excuses woulda been all over the place.. sayin Berto was green/not talented/plodder/come forward fighter/punching bag.. At the end of the day.. anybody Manny faces other than Floyd/Martinez would be a mismatch.. so I just enjoy the show.

Le many anti PAC people claimed this, bottom line is that a young undefeated titleholder would have been a better fight for manny than an ancient Shane mosley who is considered shot. Shane is a lose lose for manny. And PAC fans need to chill with that "Shane is an atg or hof'er" shi t. Fitting a guy just for his scalp when the fight is likely to be a joke gets u less credit. Berto would have been a better fight On paper and resume wise.

See,I'm reading all of this & still trying to figure out what Clottey has done & Margarito & Mosley since Pacman has been at or above 147,to deserve their shot at him.:cool2: I'll ask the same question to this a$$hole. Who did Andre Berto beat to deserve a shot at Pac? This is even so fukking silly to me that idiots like this make it sound as if Pac fans fear Berto for Pac. LMAO! Are you fukking serious? What fukking idiots. There's no sense in talking civilly with these peeps. It's impossible.

What is your definition of Slick Berto is Slack

Exactly what happened with Pavlik vs Calzaghe. Everybody was saying Calzaghe was scared of Pavlik, Pavlik was willing to come up to 168 to fight Calzaghe, he was calling out Calzaghe day in and day out. Hopkins fights Pavlik at 170, takes his 0 and takes the credit that Calzaghe could have gotten. In conclusion, Calzaghe fans were like "Oh see, that's the guy Calzaghe was ducking? Pshh". Same in this case, Pacquiao could have had the credit of taking Berto's 0. Now Pac fans are like, Berto is not worth it. No Pac fan would object a Berto fight. That's fuking ridiculous if you even entertain that.

Exactly what happened with Pavlik vs Calzaghe. Everybody was saying Calzaghe was scared of Pavlik, Pavlik was willing to come up to 168 to fight Calzaghe, he was calling out Calzaghe day in and day out. Hopkins fights Pavlik at 170, takes his 0 and takes the credit that Calzaghe could have gotten. In conclusion, Calzaghe fans were like "Oh see, that's the guy Calzaghe was ducking? Pshh". Same in this case, Pacquiao could have had the credit of taking Berto's 0. Now Pac fans are like, Berto is not worth it. Not really. I thought they should fight, but Manny beating Berto means a whole lot of nothing. Same with the Marquez and Mosley fights. Now if he beats Mayweather and Martinez.....that's another story as those are the only bouts that do anything for Manny career wise (at this point).