How much worse would Morales eye have been if Maidana wasn't forced to use Winnings?

He could have possibly KO'd him or possibly lost to Morales more convincingly (getting stunned or dropped), we will have to wait and see on the rematch.

Even with reyes gloves and even if Margarito loaded Maidana gloves with plaster. He still would not KO Morales.

the real question should be how many rounds would maidana lasted if morales could see out of both eyes

the effects looked like erik had been thumbed which is what both jim and max originally had said but a replay showed a perfect left uppercut that landed right on the eye. maidana was throwing bombs all that round.

Really? In the slow motion replay I saw a perfectly landed uppercut, clean to the eye. Even Kellerman and Lampley agreed it was a clean punch. Or maybe I missed something. like i said i have to rewatch it ... and despite what they said, it appeared to me nite of like the thumb area/side of the glove made contact across the eye/eyelid. i could be dead wrong tho it was a stream etc ... i have the file downloaded but havent had a chance to rewatch it ...

if they were pillow gloves then why did morales stun maidana on several occasions while using them? huh? I've never used Winning gloves, hence why I quoted "pillow", people call them pillows. I have always used Everlast. But from what I have heard, Reyes are punchers gloves, and Winning are pillow gloves.

The original injury seemed to be done with the thumb so the brand of glove would have little effect on how the swelling started IMO. But the punishment to the eye throughout the fight may have been made worse with harder/differently padded gloves. I still have yet to rewatch the fight but it didn't seem like maidan was targeting the eye as much as he shoulda/coulda so in the end maybe it wouldnt of made any real difference at all. Really? In the slow motion replay I saw a perfectly landed uppercut, clean to the eye. Even Kellerman and Lampley agreed it was a clean punch. Or maybe I missed something.

I voted different because I know how much of a deal gloves are to me. I think it affect Maidanas style negatively. I mean he even wanted his gloves so he knows his preference and how he want's to fight, otherwise he'd be happy with whatever gloves. So it does play a part even mentally

if they were pillow gloves then why did morales stun maidana on several occasions while using them? huh? people get knockouts in Grants as well and those are considered pillows as well Winnings are very protective gloves, ones wear hand protection takes precedent unlike other models of gloves like Reyes where maximum damage takes precedent. Winnings have a very high density foam which lessens the impact on both the hand and the body of the opponent minimizing possible damage to the hand and subsequently to the opponent's body and like someone said Morales hit Maidana with more cleaner shots than vice versa so I venture to say his clean shots did stun Maidana a few times

but he still hurt maidana more than madiana hurt him though right? I think that's debatable to be honest

but he still hurt maidana more than madiana hurt him though right? morales uses his technique and timing with his punches. to force an aggressive puncher like maidana to wear pillow gloves takes a little away from them. why else would boxers be pick and choosy about gloves these days? if morales wants to protect his hands, that's fine, but why make the OTHER fighter wear pillows?

he doesn't use them unless he has to. Morales' hands are brittle and always have been. the only times I have seen him in non Winnings are when he is the challenger for a title or the decided underdog otherwise it's Winning gloves Chino on the other hand preferred to use the Everlast MX glove but was told he would not get the fight with Morales unless he fought in Winnings but he still hurt maidana more than madiana hurt him though right?

The original injury seemed to be done with the thumb so the brand of glove would have little effect on how the swelling started IMO. But the punishment to the eye throughout the fight may have been made worse with harder/differently padded gloves. I still have yet to rewatch the fight but it didn't seem like maidan was targeting the eye as much as he shoulda/coulda so in the end maybe it wouldnt of made any real difference at all.

im a big fan of maidana, but how much more would maidana have been rocked if morales wasnt using winning gloves? he doesn't use them unless he has to. Morales' hands are brittle and always have been. the only times I have seen him in non Winnings are when he is the challenger for a title or the decided underdog otherwise it's Winning gloves Chino on the other hand preferred to use the Everlast MX glove but was told he would not get the fight with Morales unless he fought in Winnings

im a big fan of maidana, but how much more would maidana have been rocked if morales wasnt using winning gloves?

Maidana couldn't knock Amir down with them puncher's gloves. True, but Morales wasn't exactly staying away from the big shots like Khan was. So Maidana may have done even more damage with the other gloves.

What can that savage Marcos Maidana do with Reyes gloves to Erik Morales, if he did this with a pair of "pillows"? http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3376/e7247moraleseye.jpg That is a scary thought.