We Need to Rethink G.O.A.T

I'm LMfao.... at this statement...the ONLY reason Vitali was tagged is because of Sanders exceptional speed & SOUTHpaw stance... Mike was fast when throwing his punches but he didn't use deception to set up his punches. Corrie lulls you to sleep... you think he's NOT doing anything & all of a sudden he pops out of nowhere like a sniper before you even have any time to think... watch any of his fights & see what i'm talkin' about... this guy had alltime great power/speed combination & from the southpaw stance..forgeddaboutit. Mike would get rocked easier than Solis did trying to come in...let him try to come in... A SMALL powerful slugger vs a big powerful slugger loses badly EVERY time.... see Frazier vs Foreman & Tyson vs Lewis for reference..it's easy pickings. Smaller fighter has to lunge to try to bomb you out..while the bigger more powerful fighter can get to you much easier... I love how we automatically give the nods to all the former greats in a head to head when Vitali's is the one HOLDING all the cards....... seriously now. Vitali Klitschko has EVERYTHING... NO WEAKNESSES IN THE RING.... IF INJURIES ARE CLASSIFIED AS A WEAKNESS THEN YES MAYBE HE'S VULNERABLE bUT yOU CAN forget about finding anything in his boxing arsenal that would cause him to lose. I can tell you were smoking some of that good KUSH earlier when you made this CRAZY thread. LOL @ Corie Sanders having ALL TIME GREAT speed and power. Did you ever see his fight with Hasim Rahman? LOL!

i didnt intend for this thread to be Klit vs Ali. Both are all time greats IMO. The era Ali dominated is untouchable. Jimmy has a strong case ragarding their fantasy fight, but ofcourse it's impossible to know.

I rate Vlad and Vitali very highly. But Ali beats them both. I believe both the Klits would have been top heavyweights in any era. Not the best, but top 5.

I love how we automatically give the nods to all the former greats in a head to head when Vitali's is the one HOLDING all the cards....... seriously now. Vitali Klitschko has EVERYTHING... NO WEAKNESSES IN THE RING.... :nonono::nonono::nonono::nonono: Quoting from John McEnroe, "You cannot be ****ing serious." AND you cannot be taken seriously.

Larry Holmes went on to not only give prime Holyfield and McCall tough fights at a very old age, but also would beat Ray Mercer more one sidedly than near prime Lennox Lewis. and of course old heavy Lewis beat Vitali, Holyfield deserved a win over a top 5 HW in todays division, etc etc do you see why the 70s were such a great era for Heavyweights yet? Just some addition. Ken Norton who got KTFO by Foreman had one helluva fight with Larry Holmes. Not to mention talents like Shavers who hit probably hit harder than Foreman. How about Jimmy Young and other talents like Ron Lyle. Vitali would NOT even be f*cking in top 5 in the 1970s.

Just help me understand why..... I have these doubts in my head: In a fantasy fight, will Ali really beat elite athleticism of Tyson/Lewis/Klitscho? Errrrr.....Fhuck YEAH. A PRIME Tyson and Lewis might be more problem than Klitschos.

Also Corrie Sanders ROCKED and TAGGED Klitshko repeatedly in their fight. Swap Corrie Sanders with prime Tyson (lmao) on that night and Klitshko leaves the ring on his back.

Yes we do.. NEED TO rethink the G.O.A.T status. He's the most dominant fighter in heavyweight history & would be the favorite against ANY fighter that's ever fought. He's bigger than everyone else..taller than anyone else.. has a foolproof style.. on the average 9 out of every 10 fights (Record) of his ends with a stoppage.....more than 9 out of every 10 rds (Record) of his is ruled in his favor... never been down in 209 rds...only 2 defeats when he was CLEARLY winning both fights & the event at the time of the unfortunate stoppages. That's right..you know where i'm headed here 6ft 8 250 lbs of lean & mean Ukrainian machine.. Tyson..ALI.. cruiserweight Marciano & Louis/Lewis don't stand a chance. Highest BER (boxer efficiency rating) of alltimes & that includes any weight division. His name is VK & HIS GAME is to dominate... if he remains HEALTHY in a fight..you CAN forget about sniffing a W no matter who you are. Let me ask the haters..... i f you're the only one in heavyweight history that's never trailed on the scorecards & your worse showing on the cards is when you've won 2/3 of the bout & you've NEVER been knockedout... & your only losses were both injuries while winning 80% of those bouts.. can you honestly say there's a way to beat me without flinching. We're talking 44 fights here.. we're also talking a 3 time titlist.. same as Lewis Holyfield & Ali. I'm talking no one has EVEN COME CLOSE to outboxing him.. Every alltime top 100 heavy great has at least one time where they've either been knocked down/out or had a dubious scorecard decision or at the very least non unanimous..or trailed at the end of one of there bouts EXCEPT for Vitali Klitschko.. How come he's the ONLY one..is it because of his size..is it because of his competition..is it because of his skills..is it because of his strength.. it's probably a combination of all of those things... but he's NOT getting special treatment..he's fighting under the same roof..the same rules & regulations as everyone else before or after him.. PERHAPS just maybe.. he's REALLY that good.. what a concept that would be if it were true..right? Lastly...there's no steroids involved here so he's NOT doing something illegal that can enhance his performance>>> all natural! Over the hill Lennox Lewis beat him so I can only imagine what a prime Lennox would have done to him. Granted it was a close fight, but Lennox was old and past it. Yet he still ROCKED Klitshko to his core and cut his face up with his PUNCHES (not his head or anything else illegal). It's not his opponents fault that Vitali can't stay healthy in some of his fights. Vitali is one of the best but he's far from the best. Lennox PROVED THAT...

Forget about his greatest win for a second..... find me HIS greatest loss & then we can meet in the middle. Btw. his greatest wins are the ones he gets by knockouts about 89% of the time but you wouldn't know anything about that..now would you son.. seeing how no one you represent cAN SNIFF thaT knockout accuracy. Btw THAT golfer could KO 95% OF the fighters in heavyweight history if he lands with his lefthanded swing... Vitali was one of the ones he couldn't. His brother failed that test. Lennox REFUSED any of that golfer's actions as well as many who ducked him through the years...so get your facts straight & come back & apologize in a legit manner & i'll think of a accepting.. K. His greatest win is against a golfer or his greatest wins are fights that he LOST in. And, he suppose to be the GOAT? :rofl: Pathetic. He's not even a HOF'er.

Is that all you got.... Son? Idiot..probably didn't even read a couple of lines of my post where I went into detail as to why I think he's the best. The fact that you can't refute anything i stated is why you came up with this lame rebuttal. The fact that you think somebody who's greatest win of his career came against a golfer. Is the GOAT. Is all I need to know about stupidity and ignorance of the sport, SON.

The Klitschko fan base has to be dumbest most gayest fan base in the world. The only reason Pac fan base and Floyd fan base beats them in those categories is because they have a bigger fan base. But, P4P Klitschko fan base are the worse fan base going right now. I've been telling people that, there may be more Pacquiao and Mayweather fans but damn do the Klitschko nuthuggers annoy me to no end. Far worse than Pac or Floyd's trolls do.

The Klitschko fan base has to be dumbest most gayest fan base in the world. The only reason Pac fan base and Floyd fan base beats them in those categories is because they have a bigger fan base. But, P4P Klitschko fan base are the worse fan base going right now.

lol... tyson that fought spinks versus ali that fought sonny liston ali boxes his ears off Tyson that fought Douglas vs the Ali that faced Doug Jones, Tyson stops Ali.

Tyson shouldn't even be in the top 10 heavyweights. Top 10 most overrated maybe. Tyson is a swarmer how is he a complete fighter? His whole game plan is to get inside opponents but when he faced a better inside fighter or someone that will bully and rough him up on the inside (ex. Holyfield, Douglas, Lewis) he gets KTFO. I'm a fan of Tyson btw.

Why do you dislike your muslim brothers? Joe Louis openly praised the American government, yet your a fan of this guy over your own muslim borthers. I don't know where you are getting lost. But I just told you I dislike him as a boxer, not a man. And Mike Tyson is in my Top 5 favourite fighters. I don't care about Joe Louis' life, man. I don't care who he praised and didn't praise. This is boxing and I care about what he did in the ring. And what he did in the ring is sufficently more than what Mike Tyson did in the ring. Thus I rank him higher.

Yes we do.. NEED TO rethink the G.O.A.T status. He's the most dominant fighter in heavyweight history & would be the favorite against ANY fighter that's ever fought. He's bigger than everyone else..taller than anyone else.. has a foolproof style.. on the average 9 out of every 10 fights (Record) of his ends with a stoppage.....more than 9 out of every 10 rds (Record) of his is ruled in his favor... never been down in 209 rds...only 2 defeats when he was CLEARLY winning both fights & the event at the time of the unfortunate stoppages. That's right..you know where i'm headed here 6ft 8 250 lbs of lean & mean Ukrainian machine.. Tyson..ALI.. cruiserweight Marciano & Louis/Lewis don't stand a chance. Highest BER (boxer efficiency rating) of alltimes & that includes any weight division. His name is VK & HIS GAME is to dominate... if he remains HEALTHY in a fight..you CAN forget about sniffing a W no matter who you are. Let me ask the haters..... i f you're the only one in heavyweight history that's never trailed on the scorecards & your worse showing on the cards is when you've won 2/3 of the bout & you've NEVER been knockedout... & your only losses were both injuries while winning 80% of those bouts.. can you honestly say there's a way to beat me without flinching. We're talking 44 fights here.. we're also talking a 3 time titlist.. same as Lewis Holyfield & Ali. I'm talking no one has EVEN COME CLOSE to outboxing him.. Every alltime top 100 heavy great has at least one time where they've either been knocked down/out or had a dubious scorecard decision or at the very least non unanimous..or trailed at the end of one of there bouts EXCEPT for Vitali Klitschko.. How come he's the ONLY one..is it because of his size..is it because of his competition..is it because of his skills..is it because of his strength.. it's probably a combination of all of those things... but he's NOT getting special treatment..he's fighting under the same roof..the same rules & regulations as everyone else before or after him.. PERHAPS just maybe.. he's REALLY that good.. what a concept that would be if it were true..right? Lastly...there's no steroids involved here so he's NOT doing something illegal that can enhance his performance>>> all natural! great post :hitit::luvbed:

His resume is just so ridiculously complete, I've never even switched Ali from number 1, yeah we cool though akh. His resume truley is astonishing. It's genuinely amazing. I have no quarms with someone ranking Ali #1 at HW, he sure as hell did enough. I personally have Louis #1 for his sheer dominance, something that will never, ever me matched IMO.

I know you love Ali but I just can't stand the man :lol1: That isn't why I don't think he's the greatest Heavyweight of all time, though. He's a definitely at worst #2 :D And we're still boys, Rube :boxing: :lol1: His resume is just so ridiculously complete, I've never even switched Ali from number 1, yeah we cool though akhi.

Dempsey and Marciano are only on that list because of their skin colour. And just like that you become the first person on my IGNORE list. Buh-bye! http://gdd-tech.com/images/smilies/waving_smiley.gif

I think Liston is top 10. Post up a list. :boxing: