why don't Berto fans admit Berto duck Mosley??

I don't think Berto ducked Mosley. The fight not happening was out of his hands. And I seem to recall him calling for that fight months before they began negotiating. Calling and calling. In every interview. Not sure that was a duck. Berto will face the music soon enough and then we'll see if he sinks or swim. Him not fighting better opponents on the way up may hurt him when he does, who knows? But given the fact that he signed to fight Mosley, sought after Cotto and was on the short list of opponents for Pacquiao, I find it hard to question his want. Agreed bruh. 100% homie.

I don't think Berto ducked Mosley. The fight not happening was out of his hands. And I seem to recall him calling for that fight months before they began negotiating. Calling and calling. In every interview. Not sure that was a duck. Berto will face the music soon enough and then we'll see if he sinks or swim. Him not fighting better opponents on the way up may hurt him when he does, who knows? But given the fact that he signed to fight Mosley, sought after Cotto and was on the short list of opponents for Pacquiao, I find it hard to question his want.

Mosley disappointed me in the May fight tbh,I love him and ya know I'ma ride out but Mosley is going in against a beast right now in Pac,just don't wanna see the guy over stay his welcome ya dig..I put a lil money on Mosley and everything I still believe in him,but Pac has different intentions then Floyd in a fight..And we all know Mosley mentality it's going to be a war and end bad for somebody.. With that said War Mosley!!!!:boxing::boxing: I feel ya bruh. But to me the difference is this: Floyd Mayweather= Hard to hit, pin point, solid, accurate punches; with a ring IQ that is off the charts. Manny Pacquiao= Easy to hit, precision combo thrower; with good Ring IQ. It's a totally different beast fighting May vs. fighting Pac. :boxing:

Rome, Angulo is at 154, and cant get back into the US right now. So you want Berto to move up 7lbs AND fight in Mexico???????? If I aint mistaken Zavec has a problem with Universum, and that MIGHT be why he wont leave Europe(But I'm purely speculating on that one). And he(Zavec)should not be allowed to hold the belt hostage in Europe if you ask me. He's an offical belt holder and should be defending against top comp(Just like you all want Andre to do). So your picks....... Abregu- Beat by Timmy. How much credit will Andre gets if he outclasses him? Cintron- Fights(If thats what you wanna call it, ie. Martinez & PWill)at 154 and hasnt fought at WW in what 2-3 years???? Jones- Really is not ready for Berto. He needs atleast a year. He made improvements in the 2nd Karass fight but the 1st Karass fight is still a little too fresh in my head(A fight that had far too many swing rounds for a young beast. What do you think Collazo would've done with Karass?????)to sign off on him facing Berto right now. So if we have to pick one of the three you listed. I have to go with Carlos Abregu. It'll raise Timmy's stock more than it will raise Andre's. But it'll be a solid fight. We'll here the Freddie Hernandez type shiit all over again if that fight takes place. Mark my words. Sorry that was a error on my part I meant to say Abregu not Angulo..But yes I would most like to see Abregu and Berto,both have questionable chins both fight hard when they are hurt..Thing is Timmy is a thinking mans fighter,Berto relies more on his god giving talent..I think Berto has far more trouble with Abregu then Timmy B did.. Mike Jones imo is ready right now for Berto,and that's most likely the best fight at WW for him..Jones has a good jab nice boxing ability shows a very good chin and throws a hella of a punch..I would pick him right now to beat Berto in all honesty.. I think Berto beats Abregu but not in the fashion that Bradley did,I also see a exciting fight were Abregu might even get stopped by Berto..But it will bring excitement and be great for Berto's career..Abregu is young hungry and dangerous I see a great fight there.. I think Collazo might have been able to do something with Karass but then again maybe not..Collazo not known as a puncher and Karass none stop pressure would have been fun to watch..But I say Collazo would most likely get the DEC..

IDK Rome homie. You dont sound as confident as you did leading up to the May/Mo fight bruh. What gives?????? :dunno: Mosley disappointed me in the May fight tbh,I love him and ya know I'ma ride out but Mosley is going in against a beast right now in Pac,just don't wanna see the guy over stay his welcome ya dig..I put a lil money on Mosley and everything I still believe in him,but Pac has different intentions then Floyd in a fight..And we all know Mosley mentality it's going to be a war and end bad for somebody.. With that said War Mosley!!!!:boxing::boxing:

You never know until Shane fights someone who comes to bang(Pac)how shot Mosley really is..From what I took from the Mora fight was Shane's legs are done,he can't jump in with that left hook(which was a thing of beauty)and can't move as fast..But tbh Mora was not a good gauge to see were Mosley is at,tbh a young fresh Mosley would have had trouble trying to catch that rooster..IMO it was a bad style match up,but yes Mosley is past his prime and getting old fast but he was not shot imo in either the May or Mora fights.. But tbh this might be the fight it happens..Hopefully he hangs umm up if he loses.. IDK Rome homie. You dont sound as confident as you did leading up to the May/Mo fight bruh. What gives?????? :dunno:

LOL So you don't want Berto to fight anybody??I think Angulo is a problem dude,and he get's discounted a lot on this forum but I think he could be dangerous..Zavec(is that really how ya spell his name)looked alright when I seen him on youtube,why won't he leave his Europe??How much money are they talking,he most likely feels he can fight bums and make more money over there anyway..So what do you say Berto does after his fight with(if he wins)Ortiz?? I don't care what Cintron did tbh,he will still be the best fighter Berto would have ever faced..I wanna see Berto pushed,at this point there are not many fights I have a fab three you choose one.. Abregu(my fav fight tbh) Cintron(my 2end fav fight) Jones(I'm talking next fight).. Rome, Angulo is at 154, and cant get back into the US right now. So you want Berto to move up 7lbs AND fight in Mexico???????? If I aint mistaken Zavec has a problem with Universum, and that MIGHT be why he wont leave Europe(But I'm purely speculating on that one). And he(Zavec)should not be allowed to hold the belt hostage in Europe if you ask me. He's an offical belt holder and should be defending against top comp(Just like you all want Andre to do). So your picks....... Abregu- Beat by Timmy. How much credit will Andre gets if he outclasses him? Cintron- Fights(If thats what you wanna call it, ie. Martinez & PWill)at 154 and hasnt fought at WW in what 2-3 years???? Jones- Really is not ready for Berto. He needs atleast a year. He made improvements in the 2nd Karass fight but the 1st Karass fight is still a little too fresh in my head(A fight that had far too many swing rounds for a young beast. What do you think Collazo would've done with Karass?????)to sign off on him facing Berto right now. So if we have to pick one of the three you listed. I have to go with Carlos Abregu. It'll raise Timmy's stock more than it will raise Andre's. But it'll be a solid fight. We'll here the Freddie Hernandez type shiit all over again if that fight takes place. Mark my words.

Mosley wasn't shot, coming off back to back knock outs, I don't consider Mosley shot, is he past his prime yes I agree with this..

Just ONE fight can make a difference bruh. I give Floyd credit because Mosley turned back the clock on his last outting against Margo. But since Floyd Shane has NOT turned back the clock. He looked the same against Sergio as he did against Floyd. THAT my friend was confirmation of a downward spiral. And folks were talkin bout how Shane/Floyd is Floyd pickin on a shot Shane. Thats why alot of jokers(Not ya Potna)dont give Floyd alot of credit for beating Shane. You never know until Shane fights someone who comes to bang(Pac)how shot Mosley really is..From what I took from the Mora fight was Shane's legs are done,he can't jump in with that left hook(which was a thing of beauty)and can't move as fast..But tbh Mora was not a good gauge to see were Mosley is at,tbh a young fresh Mosley would have had trouble trying to catch that rooster..IMO it was a bad style match up,but yes Mosley is past his prime and getting old fast but he was not shot imo in either the May or Mora fights.. But tbh this might be the fight it happens..Hopefully he hangs umm up if he loses..

To everyone who posted in here thanx for the great conversation,even tho I may not agree with ya all(eh J Dubb)I love ya'll and respect all ya opinions.. I don't want anyone to think I'm a Berto hater,I give Berto so much Shvt because the kid is so freaking talented it's a shame to just waste it by not living up to his true potential..Weather he would have fought Shane and won or lost I would have respected him for fighting the fight and giving his all.. So until the time Berto steps up expect to hear more **** talking from me..Thanx guys.. Thd Boxing talk Rome my homie. This is why I wish we ALL could sit down together and watch some Boxing together. I have absolutely NO Potnas that know Boxin enough to have such an indepth conversation with. The convos at best would be me answering 50 million basic Boxing questions about who is who. :lol1:

I thought Jan Zavec was the IBF champ???? :dunno: And that would be a good fight for Andre, but Jan wont leave Europe. Neither will Senchenko. The fight that makes some kinda since at WW for Berto would be Ouali(Atleast he'll fight in the US). Now IF that fight where to matterialize then you'd get boucoup fools on here bringing up the Bailey fight. And Bailey was finna dispatch Ouali before he WWF'd him. Paulie has just made a move to WW, why not put Berto in with him, and see hoe or if Berto has improved against a slick Boxer. Because if he rematches Collazo, we're all gonna hear about how Collazo aint fought in a long time, and is rusty, moved up in weight, blah, blah, blah....ect......ect. Cintron?????? I dont even wanna hear about that shiit til Cintron moves down to WW, and shows us Boxing fans that he can make it through a fight without all the fukkin Ringling Bros acts. LOL So you don't want Berto to fight anybody??I think Angulo is a problem dude,and he get's discounted a lot on this forum but I think he could be dangerous..Zavec(is that really how ya spell his name)looked alright when I seen him on youtube,why won't he leave his Europe??How much money are they talking,he most likely feels he can fight bums and make more money over there anyway..So what do you say Berto does after his fight with(if he wins)Ortiz?? I don't care what Cintron did tbh,he will still be the best fighter Berto would have ever faced..I wanna see Berto pushed,at this point there are not many fights I have a fab three you choose one.. Abregu(my fav fight tbh) Cintron(my 2end fav fight) Jones(I'm talking next fight)..

Fukk cares if he doesn't get credit from you. As if Floyd brutalized Mosley like Martinez put Williams into a deep sleep. If Floyd gets credit from you decisioning a shot Mosley why not Berto? A few months make a big difference? The fight should have happened, period. Mosley is not shot when Floyd beat him? GTFOH. Just ONE fight can make a difference bruh. I give Floyd credit because Mosley turned back the clock on his last outting against Margo. But since Floyd Shane has NOT turned back the clock. He looked the same against Sergio as he did against Floyd. THAT my friend was confirmation of a downward spiral. And folks were talkin bout how Shane/Floyd is Floyd pickin on a shot Shane. Thats why alot of jokers(Not ya Potna)dont give Floyd alot of credit for beating Shane.

To everyone who posted in here thanx for the great conversation,even tho I may not agree with ya all(eh J Dubb)I love ya'll and respect all ya opinions.. I don't want anyone to think I'm a Berto hater,I give Berto so much Shvt because the kid is so freaking talented it's a shame to just waste it by not living up to his true potential..Weather he would have fought Shane and won or lost I would have respected him for fighting the fight and giving his all.. So until the time Berto steps up expect to hear more **** talking from me..Thanx guys..

TBH if I had it my way,win lose or draw this would be Mosley last fight..He should not continue to take punishment,he is a HOF a ring great(imo)and its time.. But if that don't happen and Berto beats Ortiz and Mosley loses(no matter how he loses)I would advice Mosley to stay away from Berto he missed the bus..I would find Mosley some can to fight and go out on a good note with..Berto does not deserve to fight Mosley at this point..He should fight Jone Abregu the IBF Champ(always forget how to spell his name)..Mosley Pac should be Mosley last dangerous fight IMHO.. But I'm gonna do reserch on that nego cause I thought I remember hearing richard saying Berto would not bend on the 50/50 deal..If I find ill let ya see if not my mistake.. I thought Jan Zavec was the IBF champ???? :dunno: And that would be a good fight for Andre, but Jan wont leave Europe. Neither will Senchenko. The fight that makes some kinda since at WW for Berto would be Ouali(Atleast he'll fight in the US). Now IF that fight where to matterialize then you'd get boucoup fools on here bringing up the Bailey fight. And Bailey was finna dispatch Ouali before he WWF'd him. Paulie has just made a move to WW, why not put Berto in with him, and see hoe or if Berto has improved against a slick Boxer. Because if he rematches Collazo, we're all gonna hear about how Collazo aint fought in a long time, and is rusty, moved up in weight, blah, blah, blah....ect......ect. Cintron?????? I dont even wanna hear about that shiit til Cintron moves down to WW, and shows us Boxing fans that he can make it through a fight without all the fukkin Ringling Bros acts.

Berto doesn't have the pressure of having to fight his way to big money or recognition like 99% of the fighters have to thanks to that great contract that he inked. He hasn't taken a remote risk and the Cintron fight was a bad calculation on their part cause he had is hands full.

wow Congrats Rome your thread blew.up and you probably have 60 posts yourself, lol just playing man. Man look I can see what your seeing and saying, but its not my opinion he ducked, chief you said what I was trying to say, good ass posts, As for the dude who basically say every boxer smashes Berto you apparently have a low boxing IQ, you might not like Berto and think his resume is ****, but recognize the talent and skill set, the dude is insane, Some of the fastest hands in the game, dumb power, yea his foot work is average, and he puts himself in trouble by banging out but that's his style right now, to say he has a weak.chin, produce evidence, knock downs are not evidence. Anyways good points Chief and even you Rome, but dude you can't be so biased your sounding like some of those.British dudes on here. respect your opinion though Thanks J Dub homie. Hell you the reason I didn't have to type so much. :lol1: Rome is a very solid poster, no lie. But when it comes to Sugar Shane Mosley........................Well my homie Rome puts on the blinders and there aint a shiitin ass thang you can say to him otherwise. :lol1: Thats one thing I like about my potna Rome. He will ride or die with Shane, and will battle to the end over him. THATS some muthafukkin loyalty fa sho. By Rome being such a damn good poster. I can overlook his Shane biasness. :lol1: Besides, he makes good points so it makes for great convo.

Mosley wasn't shot, coming off back to back knock outs, I don't consider Mosley shot, is he past his prime yes

Mora was not the A side of anything that's a bold face lie..Mora is. Not even known by anybody unless you are a hardcore(and I mean hardcore)fan..Shame on you for the lies.. Berta was sooo shook that the entire Haiti suffered

Sorry again but Mosley is not an A side fighter, even against mora they sold the fight like mora was the A side, Am not even a Berto fan, i hate his freaaking asss but Mosley doesnt bring nothing much to the table apart from a shot name at this stage of his career. Mora was not the A side of anything that's a bold face lie..Mora is. Not even known by anybody unless you are a hardcore(and I mean hardcore)fan..Shame on you for the lies..

Sorry mate, its common knowledge that Mosley is shot and done, you like Mosley so obviously you cant admit or see it....Again Berto didnt duck Mosley.. Fukk cares if he doesn't get credit from you. As if Floyd brutalized Mosley like Martinez put Williams into a deep sleep. If Floyd gets credit from you decisioning a shot Mosley why not Berto? A few months make a big difference? The fight should have happened, period. Mosley is not shot when Floyd beat him? GTFOH.