whose life would you rather watch a movie about...tyson or the klitschkos?

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DAVE RADO, I see you think "the Raging Bull" is the #1 boxing film. I think it was far too heavy on the makeup and greasepaint, effects etc. Personally I think the best and most realistic picture about boxing was "The Set Up" I believe starring Robert Ryan, who played a great role. It was only a low budget film, but very much underrated even though once it was VERY highly regarded. Boxing fans don't seem even to recognise the title nowadays, all they think of are the latest releases. The Set-Up is a superb film, but it's a sort of noir-ish Rocky-type film, not a film about real people. The characters are more one-dimensional, IMO, than those in Raging Bull. I have no idea why you think there was too much make-up in Raging Bull. I don't know of any respected mainstream film critic who has ever made that criticism. The characters in Raging Bull are more multi-faceted and three dimensional, IMO, than those in The Set-Up - and Raging Bull is a pretty accurate portrayal of the life of a real fighter, Jake LaMotta. Raging Bull gets a 98% rating on the Rotten Tomatoes website, which means that 98% of mainstream film critics (not boxing film critics, mainstream ones) who have reviewed it gave it good reviews. Very few films in any genre get anything like such a high rating. That means that most film critics consider it one of the best films ever made in any genre, which for a film about boxing is a remarkable achievement. The Set-Up gets an 83% rating, which is also very good, but Raging Bull's 98% is truly exceptional, especially as a far larger number of reviews of RB exist than of The Set-Up - older films tend to get artificially high ratings because of the small sample sizes.. "Body and Soul", which is even older than The Set-Up, gets a 100% Rotten Tomatoes rating, BTW (though on a very small sample size), so if you're into old films, I'm surprised you didn't mention that one. In any case, neither The Set-Up nor Body and Soul are relevant to this thread. I brought up Raging Bull and The Fighter because they are about real boxers, and I was commenting on why I think LaMotta and Ward made good subjects for feature films, whereas IMO, neither Tyson nor the Klitschkos would.

HBO movie on Tyson was ok movie from 2008 was very good too let's see a Klitschko movie now show them tag teaming Hayden

I don't know where you got the idea that Ghandi was close to a "saint" . He was ANYTHING but, a very very complicated and difficult person both to know and to deal with. He was a political agitator, that was his great role in life. I lived through all his public years and I KNOW. I suppose you know he was a lawyer. Apart fron the fact that I've also read several deeply investigative books on him. Wow, you're funny. Everyone has their haters. You're one, and you have obviously read books by others. I know several people personally who were close friends of his. In any case, whatever you think of him personally, the fact is that the film portrayed him as a good guy and it sold very well, and that was the point I was making, that the main character doesn't have to be a bad guy for a film to sell.

You can always count on the white school boys Steelhammer2011 & Freedom to promote their boring ass clean living Klitscko brothers in any thread concerning Tyson. Bottom line, the Klitschko's will be remembered by some, but Tyson will be remembered by everyone. Tyson has legendary status world wide, something the Klitschko's only have in their countries. What does that tell you?:owned:

DAVE RADO, I see you think "the Raging Bull" is the #1 boxing film. I think it was far too heavy on the makeup and greasepaint, effects etc. Personally I think the best and most realistic picture about boxing was "The Set Up" I believe starring Robert Ryan, who played a great role. It was only a low budget film, but very much underrated even though once it was VERY highly regarded. Boxing fans don't seem even to recognise the title nowadays, all they think of are the latest releases.

It's much more complicated than that. The Fighter is a very good film because of all the family dramas and because Ward had success in the end against all the odds (as well as because of brilliant direction and excellent acting). It's a similar story with the greatest boxing film ever made (IMO), Raging Bull. Lots of interesting drama in LaMotta's life and in the ring, and success against the odds, plus one of the greatest directors in film history directing it and one of the greatest actors of all time acting the lead role. Plus the New York Italian-American (or Irish-American, in the case of Ward) back story adds interest to it as well. Neither Ward nor LaMotta were blessed with great talent, just with great heart and interesting personalities and back stories. Tyson's life story was quite interesting up to the age of 21 but was boring as hell from then on - he just became a self-centred, narcissistic idiot who threw away everything he had despite being given all the chances and all the talent in the world. There's nothing in his story or his relationships after that that would make a feature film interesting. The K bros' story is a pretty uneventful rise to the top with a few setbacks early on but no real drama and no really interesting relationships. Neither Tyson nor the K bros really had success against the odds - the odds were stacked heavily in their favour. In Tyson's case, he eventually had failure against the odds. And when someone lucky enough to be supremely talented blows his talent and blows a huge fortune, that isn't great drama, it's just pathetic. A great fighter's life story does not necessarily make for a great feature film, and it's much more complicated than just bad news outselling good news. Gandhi was a very good film but he was as close to being a saint as anyone in the last century, so your analysis is far too simplistic. I don't know where you got the idea that Ghandi was close to a "saint" . He was ANYTHING but, a very very complicated and difficult person both to know and to deal with. He was a political agitator, that was his great role in life. I lived through all his public years and I KNOW. I suppose you know he was a lawyer. Apart fron the fact that I've also read several deeply investigative books on him.

I rather watch a movie on Tyson before any other boxer...outside of maybe Ali

i've seen dozens of tysons docs, and honestly, i don't think i'll ever get tired of tuning into watching another film about him, especially a feature film. i would watch both films if they were made, but i'd watch tyson's first...

Tyson, even there was already an HBO movie done as well as a documentary. I find more interesting than 'I grew up in Soviet Ukraine and I was poor. But I fight. No pain NO PAIN.' But " I grew up in brooklyn in the ghetto and I was poor. But I fight. No pain, only pidgeons! " tard

Tyson without any question. If I wanted to watch a film with a Klit on show, it wouldn't be a boxing type of Klit that's for sure. Furthermore, what I would give to see a thread on these forums where we could all post what posters we hated the most on boxingscene. It would be the greatest an funniest thread on any forum. Hahaha I could just imagine it right now. There would be absolute carnage!!! :lol1::lol1::lol1:

Tyson, even there was already an HBO movie done as well as a documentary. I find more interesting than 'I grew up in Soviet Ukraine and I was poor. But I fight. No pain NO PAIN.'

Theres already been a ton of films about Tyson's life Documentaries, but not feature films. But IMO his story isn't remotely interesting enough to make a good feature film.

I must say that although I class Tyson's fighting capability amongst the top 10 ever, at his peak, maybe even higher, and admired it very much, I would prefer to see a film, a GENUINE, FACTUAL film about the Klitschko's. Their achievements OUTSIDE the ring seem so varied that I'm certain that I don't know a hundreth of what they actually do, and how they came to do whatever it is....etc. In other words the whole unfolding , step by step, of two extremely and unlikely, unusual lives. As for Tyson's life story, I haven't seen it, nor do I want to. I hate sordid tales, and there are SO MANY, in this 21st century, when ALL that sort of thing should have been left in the Middle Ages, or by the latest, the 19th Century. i NEVER go to these harrowing, soul-wrenching movies, nor read that sort of book, except in the form of a classic. I've already seen a lot more of that sort of thing than I've ever wanted to.

the reason i made the thread was i read they were making a klitschko movie.im like why?.i said on another thread that no one cares about dogooder stuff.bad news sells...i stated in that thread that no one would read a story about how wlad walked an old lady across the street but how everyone would read a story about tyson punching out a cop...really the klischkos are good humanitarians there is no denying that but is a movie going to be be intriguing & a must see? i used tyson as the other example of bad news & i came up with the idea of this thread.what movie would you rather watch.a tyson movie or a klit movie...most headline news articles are of a negative nature while most good storys get a little write up...when tyson was at his peak the media worldwide watched his every move but that cant be said about the klits...people liked to be shocked & tyson shocked people with his unpredictable lifestyle which made for better stories...am i wrong? It's much more complicated than that. The Fighter is a very good film because of all the family dramas and because Ward had success in the end against all the odds (as well as because of brilliant direction and excellent acting). It's a similar story with the greatest boxing film ever made (IMO), Raging Bull. Lots of interesting drama in LaMotta's life and in the ring, and success against the odds, plus one of the greatest directors in film history directing it and one of the greatest actors of all time acting the lead role. Plus the New York Italian-American (or Irish-American, in the case of Ward) back story adds interest to it as well. Neither Ward nor LaMotta were blessed with great talent, just with great heart and interesting personalities and back stories. Tyson's life story was quite interesting up to the age of 21 but was boring as hell from then on - he just became a self-centred, narcissistic idiot who threw away everything he had despite being given all the chances and all the talent in the world. There's nothing in his story or his relationships after that that would make a feature film interesting. The K bros' story is a pretty uneventful rise to the top with a few setbacks early on but no real drama and no really interesting relationships. Neither Tyson nor the K bros really had success against the odds - the odds were stacked heavily in their favour. In Tyson's case, he eventually had failure against the odds. And when someone lucky enough to be supremely talented blows his talent and blows a huge fortune, that isn't great drama, it's just pathetic. A great fighter's life story does not necessarily make for a great feature film, and it's much more complicated than just bad news outselling good news. Gandhi was a very good film but he was as close to being a saint as anyone in the last century, so your analysis is far too simplistic.

Lewis was coming off the KO win over Tyson. In the Lewis-Tyson post fight interview Lewis stated "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age" In an interview right before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years" Vitali dominated Lewis and scared him into retirement. That's a FACT. Not only that, he said that now that Sanders has taken his "breakfast" he'll eat the other Klitschko for his lunch. Remember the big thing he always made of ..."One klitschko for breakfast, the other for lunch....." I recall the interview very well, he was quite sickening, so swollen up with self importance. Recall how he said that he belonged to the whole world, the world champion because he'd fought in several different countries etc....such crap, suitable fro such an uneducated, boastful ignoramus. And much more, he was on about himself for about 15 minutes I think. I used to LIKE Lewis until that interview, when I saw what he really was.

We have all heard the Tyson story a million times and even though I am a big Klitschko bros fan I don't know that much about how they came up. BTW Joe, nice passive aggressive way of trolling and baiting takes much more effort than just outright doing it:fing02:the reason i made the thread was i read they were making a klitschko movie.im like why?.i said on another thread that no one cares about dogooder stuff.bad news sells...i stated in that thread that no one would read a story about how wlad walked an old lady across the street but how everyone would read a story about tyson punching out a cop...really the klischkos are good humanitarians there is no denying that but is a movie going to be be intriguing & a must see? i used tyson as the other example of bad news & i came up with the idea of this thread.what movie would you rather watch.a tyson movie or a klit movie...most headline news articles are of a negative nature while most good storys get a little write up...when tyson was at his peak the media worldwide watched his every move but that cant be said about the klits...people liked to be shocked & tyson shocked people with his unpredictable lifestyle which made for better stories...am i wrong?

so lewis rips off half of vitalis face and you argue it shouldve been stopped...solis clealy hurts his leg yet gets up and you claim he was ko'd?? That "ripps off half his face" thing has been done to a miserable deathe LONG ago. The pictures, both inside and AFTER the fight was over show that Klitschko had BOTH of his eyes working exactly as good as each other. What he had was an eyebrow gash, not even swollen, NOR BLEEDING, and a couple of cosmetic little paper cuts below the eye with a bruise in the same place. Not a SINGLE thing interfering with his vision at all. As you damn well know and could see-if you looked- when he stood up and GLARED around him with BOTH wide open eyes, shouting that he could see very well. In my time I've seen fights go on with lots worse than that, and even where the guys won as well.

Theres already been a ton of films about Tyson's life

why dont you just take the poll & post an intelligent reason.im interested in your opinion because you are a klit fan.this thread isnt for name calling please... Look at the way Klitschko's biceps BULGE from the resistance to the punch. It was a solid punch, and the follow through carried on over his hair as he fell downwards.