Why Didnt Pac Ever Test For Other Fights?

why didnt Manny take random OST for the Clottey or Margo fights and prove to Floyd he is clean. Fixed for you. The world did not ask Pac to take the OST nor his previous 52 opponents or any boxing commission. Only one scared little b!tch though.

Okay, I'll play: If Team Pac was constantly obsessed with trying to own Team Floyd, then yes... maybe they would've used Clottey or Margs as opportunities to show Pac was clean. However, I don't think Pac has Floyd on his mind 24/7, or at least to the point of using matches with other fighters to try to score points vs. Floyd in some court of public opinion. I also think Pac's irrational mistrust towards giving blood is real. He'll do it if he has to ... but if he doesn't have to, then he won't. I agree that testing vs. Clottey or Margs or Shane would have served a lot of people well: doubters, fans and promoters alike. But then, so would a Mayweather-Pacquiao match, and that hasn't come to pass either. see, this is where I screwed up some in my opening post because some others have responded like you. I responded to them on page 4 but I think it went a little unoticed so I will repost it to you with me basic thinking being that its not all about scoring points but its even moreso about getting mentally prepared to face Floyd with testing. Here is what I wrote ........................................................................ I agree but my point is this. Im not saying that Pac should prove anything by taking it in other fights. Im saying that if it really freaks him out and he thinks he lost the EM fight because of it then do it in these other fights that you know for a fact you are going to win and inch the date closer in each fight so you wont have no mental hurdle against Floyd. When I say this stuff about other fights, Im doing it from a Pac perspective to be ready against the biggest challange. I could see him having a fear of doing it for the Floyd fight because he knows how good Floyd is and it might be like the EM situation so thats why he does it inch by inch in these other fights to be prepared for the Floyd one. Its not about them, its about the Floyd fight. He's not going to lose to them anyways.

why didnt floyd require a test in his 40 other fights? Because he didnt believe they were using PEDS or he would have !! common sense if you have any ,, ,,,, why didnt Manny take random OST for the Clottey or Margo fights and prove to the world he is clean , after all he just didnt want to pushed around by Floyd right , if Manny would have done that he would win the defamation hands down and he would force Floyd to fight him with no test ,,,,,,, but Manny didnt do anything like that did he ,,, he just says no test unless I get a known cut off and sues ,, bottom line dude is plastic and Floyd will beat him .

what odds? he was #2 p4p remember? :laugh: ooh thats right. Forgot that weightclasses aren't relevant if fighters are both on the P4P list haha. I guess there should be no reason for Floyd not to fight Andre Ward if Ward enters the top 10 then. Floyd did win a title at 154 and thats only 2 classes below 168. And almost the same scenario as before, Floyd coming off a long lay off. P4P #3 is saying his name just like #2 Marquez did years prior, but somehow #3 gets no love/hate thrown his way.

Does the World Boxing Bodies and the USA Professional Boxing usually requires those test? Does Pacman had any Police Derogatory record on Drug use? If the answer is NO, then why bother to require such a test? Why not revise existing Professional Boxing Rules that would require ALL Boxers to undergo such test? And NOT focus on, and susupect Pacman ALONE? I think it would be much better if we leave this issue to the Court which has already decided to hear the case of Pacman's defamation case against his accusers e.g, Team Mayweather and Golden Boy Promotion.

Why didn't MAJORITY of the boxers nowadays join the blood test bandwagon? oh right, it's just for the midget.

what odds? he was #2 p4p remember? :laugh: ooh thats right. Forgot that weightclasses aren't relevant if fighters are both on the P4P list haha. I guess there should be no reason for Floyd not to fight Andre Ward if Ward enters the top 10 then. Floyd did win a title at 154 and thats only 2 classes below 168.

so you're saying the possibility of him suspecting Juan Manuel Marquez of juicing because he was jumping 2 weight classes to fight a bigger, faster fighter in Floyd was non existent? If Floyd should have asked ANYONE for OST, it should have been someone who had all the odds stacked against him like JMM. what odds? he was #2 p4p remember? :laugh:

you might could argue that but I do think its a legit thing if you think someone is cheating. He never suspected that of his other opponents but Pac is doing things that you rarely see. He also was at the 1st Morlaes fight so it shocks him to see Pac moving up & crushing guys, not to mentiong his dad & brother are telling him non stop that what Pac is doing is not normal and he has to be on something so you're saying the possibility of him suspecting Juan Manuel Marquez of juicing because he was jumping 2 weight classes to fight a bigger, faster fighter in Floyd was non existent? If Floyd should have asked ANYONE for OST, it should have been someone who had all the odds stacked against him like JMM.

There has been whispers of Hopkins juicing for 10 years Dom...This not a 3-4 day thing, this is nothing new when it comes to Hopkins. There has been talks about Hopkins 8 years before Floyd-Pac was even thought of. You trying to judge Pac at what he's doing at 32yrs old, to what Hopkins is doing in his mid 40's. Even if Pac takes ever single PED there is, you think Pac is going to be knocking mofo's out in his mid 40's? You think he will have his high volume in his mid 40's? What do you mean in what manner could it be helping him? He's an elite fighter is he not? He's an elite fighter in his mid 40's is he not? Where does he rank at LHW at the age of 46? And, you can't see how PED might not be benefiting him? If it wasn't for PED's he might be shot to ****...How many fighters had the ring smarts of B-hop if not more so. But, yet couldn't compete till their mid 40's? Yet you think is "unlikely" GTFOH. It is very likely, VERY LIKELY. That any athlete B-Hop, Pac, anybody, is doing PED's. Is very likely, to say is unlikely, especially an athlete that's elite, and had been rumored about juicing for damn near 10 years is F'ing ridiculous. It just shows that it's more agenda driving then anything else. See, now we're going in circles, I'm having a hard time understanding you. All your giving me is "He's in his mid 40s and is elite". Like you don't seem to acknowledge what he brings to the ring. I'm trying to be open minded here, give me something else that would suggest he's on something. I'd like to hear them man. Now I have an agenda? That is so fuckin' childish man, that's not me, clearly you don't know me. Go ahead and put me in with the other haters, I couldn't give two shits man. Edit: 10 years, it's recently I heard this, IMDAZED brought it up to me via PM. I'll look into that later, unless you have a link. I voted possible but unlikely. Possible, considering the era we live in/ I don't know B-Hop personally. Unlikely, considering what B-Hop brings to the ring. How is that hard to understand?

Because Clottey, Mosley, and Margarito just want to fukkin fight and don't care about all the other BS. Unlike Floyd who's always trying to BS somebody. pretty much Pac don't get punked

Hasn't it been like 2 years of this Mayweather-Pacquiao back and forth? More information was collected from that, where as this B-Hop-Jean Pascal issue only started 3-4 days ago. All I'm saying is, from watching B-Hop in the ring, I see nothing that suggests he's on anything. Your making this far too complicating. Even in this thread http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469612 Public poll, I didn't straight up say "No, B-Hop wouldn't cheat", I felt it was possible but unlikely. And personally, I think it's insane to be making these Pacquiao-B-Hop comparisons. One has moved up, has quickly matured into the higher weights, brought up his power, is hurting/ knocking out much bigger foes and has had a long list of excuses to refuse OST. In the bold, what manner? He's not knocking anyone out, he has shitty stamina, but luckily he has the ring smarts to utilize that from 12 rounds, again he does everything at the very minimal. Ask yourself this, if Pascal, Glen Johnson, Chad Dawson had B-Hop-like stamina, where would they be? Really, what has B-Hop showed that would make me skeptical of him? There has been whispers of Hopkins juicing for 10 years Dom...This not a 3-4 day thing, this is nothing new when it comes to Hopkins. There has been talks about Hopkins 8 years before Floyd-Pac was even thought of. You trying to judge Pac at what he's doing at 32yrs old, to what Hopkins is doing in his mid 40's. Even if Pac takes ever single PED there is, you think Pac is going to be knocking mofo's out in his mid 40's? You think he will have his high volume in his mid 40's? What do you mean in what manner could it be helping him? He's an elite fighter is he not? He's an elite fighter in his mid 40's is he not? Where does he rank at LHW at the age of 46? And, you can't see how PED might not be benefiting him? If it wasn't for PED's he might be shot to ****...How many fighters had the ring smarts of B-hop if not more so. But, yet couldn't compete till their mid 40's? Yet you think is "unlikely" GTFOH. It is very likely, VERY LIKELY. That any athlete B-Hop, Pac, anybody, is doing PED's. Is very likely, to say is unlikely, especially an athlete that's elite, and had been rumored about juicing for damn near 10 years is F'ing ridiculous. It just shows that it's more agenda driving then anything else.

Why would he do thins voluntarily in his other fights that were only part of negotiations with Floyd? And tell me this TS... What can you do in 7 days before the fight? Flomos lack the common sense that you ain't doing JACK**** 7 days before a fight. Even if a person were to take any kind of peds 7 days before, you think it's gonna help? That's just hypothetically speaking and I doubt any fighter that will submit to 7 days osdt will try **** so basically floyds just being a *****.

Since when is "he didn't have to" a real good answer. I feel you thread starter and I understand perfectly why he didn't but it would have made his point and his stance so much more impressive. I have asked this exact thing before and pretty much got what you got~

This is a real question so please leave the junk at the door. Those on here who no me no that Im a Floyd fan but Im fair. I can see the argument on both sides but my 1 question is that if Pac agreed to the 14 days and the Floyd fight never happened, then why didnt he use it for his subsequent fights to see if he could get use to it and make the fight happened? I say this because Pac has fought some good guys in Clottey, Margarito, and now Mosley but lets be real, those guys were never ever going to beat him barring some miracle. Therefore, why not use the 14day cutoff for the Clottey fight, then 7 day cutoff for the Margarito fight, then same day or 2 day cutoff for the Mosley fight and by then Pac is definitely use to the testing and Floyd has no excuse left. He wasnt going to lose those fights and they said they would take the 14 days so stick by that and use it against guys you know you can beat. Not only that but it would make the media & public after the Clottey fight say that Pac is doing 14 days right now, why cant Floyd do that and they would say more after other fights. I just always felt that Roach and those guys shouldve done that, espically with him fighting known cheats like Margarito & Mosley. It wouldve been a very good look and Floyd would have nothing to say or nowhere to run. Then the lawsuit also has more legs because Pac is openly testing. Pac definetly didnt have to do it but my point is that it wouldve left Floyd with nowhere to run and Pac had no real risk of losing those fights. Again, leave the hate comments at the door and hear some real responses why floyd ducked cotto and margarito instaed of asking them to take OSDT??/ :lol1:

Then you know what Dom, I like you as a poster, I respect you. But, in this instance you full of **** then. To give your fighter that you like the benefit of the doubt, but then turn around, and act like it's a ****ing fact that the rival of another one of your favorite fighters is on it...It's not that you think. There is actually no doubt in your mind that Pac is on. But, you doubt B-Hop could be on it? WTF man.... PED's is not magic. Just cuz' you take it doesn't mean you going to knock mofo's out. If B-Hop is using, whatever his using, could be helping him in a different manner. For you not to question him or go hard on him like you do with Pac. Is F'ing ridiculous. Especially considering that there were whispers going around that Hopkins was doping back in 2001. That's damn near 10 years ago man. There has been talks about B-Hop using way before Pac. Who's to say if B-Hop stop using(assuming that he is of course) that he wouldn't be suffering the same type of shotness that Roy is suffering right now? Maybe he wouldn't be where he's at now if he stop using. Maybe the PED's that he's taking is helping him compete with these young fighters in their prime. For the record I give B-Hop the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's using. I truly don't. However, I give Pac he same benefit of the doubt that I give B-Hop. It really bugs when people "pretend" to care about this issue, yet treat every fighter different. Is quite ridiculous. Hasn't it been like 2 years of this Mayweather-Pacquiao back and forth? More information was collected from that, where as this B-Hop-Jean Pascal issue only started 3-4 days ago. All I'm saying is, from watching B-Hop in the ring, I see nothing that suggests he's on anything. Your making this far too complicating. Even in this thread http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469612 Public poll, I didn't straight up say "No, B-Hop wouldn't cheat", I felt it was possible but unlikely. And personally, I think it's insane to be making these Pacquiao-B-Hop comparisons. One has moved up, has quickly matured into the higher weights, brought up his power, is hurting/ knocking out much bigger foes and has had a long list of excuses to refuse OST. In the bold, what manner? He's not knocking anyone out, he has shitty stamina, but luckily he has the ring smarts to utilize that from 12 rounds, again he does everything at the very minimal. Ask yourself this, if Glen Johnson, Chad Dawson had B-Hop-like stamina, where would they be? Really, what has B-Hop showed that would make me skeptical of him?

I was thinking the same sh1t. Stupid as.s Dom. All flomos are contradictory like that. Despite you having a PHD in youtubeanomics I don't think you're qualified enough to challenge these lawyers, ped experts, and bankers JRO. :lol1: :lol1:

Fake OST is better than what we have right now. I'm sorry I just stopped reading right here. Because, this was all that was need to be said. And, I agree, "fake OST" is better than what we have right now. So if it's better than nothing. Lets make it happen. Anything else is just bunch of bullshit excuses.

U tried to say its unrealistic for boxers to be tested. Thats why I brought up olympic boxers getting tested. Not that is unrealistic. But, it's unrealistic to ask fighters and any pro athlete to volunteer to take tests that they don't have to. Because, they won't go out of there way to do so... Do you understand now?

No not at all, I'd be straight up if I thought B-Hop was on anything, dead ass man. The guy hasn't knocked anyone out since Oscar (If you want to count that), some believe Oscar took a dive, maybe he did maybe he didn't, so one could probably go back as far as 2002. He hasn't shown impressive stamina, does his best to conserve his energy, throws very few punches, he does everything at the very minimal pretty much. His style is to spoil the fight if he has to, hold, get a little dirty. Yeah I acknowledge what he's accomplished at this advanced age, but I'm not all that skeptical of his success. No matter how hard I try and think about it, I doubt he's on anything. And again, I'm not ruling it out either. Just how I see it. Then you know what Dom, I like you as a poster, I respect you. But, in this instance you full of **** then. To give your fighter that you like the benefit of the doubt, but then turn around, and act like it's a ****ing fact that the rival of another one of your favorite fighters is on it...It's not that you think. There is actually no doubt in your mind that Pac is on. But, you doubt B-Hop could be on it? WTF man.... PED's is not magic. Just cuz' you take it doesn't mean you going to knock mofo's out. If B-Hop is using, whatever his using, could be helping him in a different manner. For you not to question him or go hard on him like you do with Pac. Is F'ing ridiculous. Especially considering that there were whispers going around that Hopkins was doping back in 2001. That's damn near 10 years ago man. There has been talks about B-Hop using way before Pac. Who's to say if B-Hop stop using(assuming that he is of course) that he wouldn't be suffering the same type of shotness that Roy is suffering right now? Maybe he wouldn't be where he's at now if he stop using. Maybe the PED's that he's taking is helping him compete with these young fighters in their prime. For the record I give B-Hop the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's using. I truly don't. However, I give Pac he same benefit of the doubt that I give B-Hop. It really bugs when people "pretend" to care about this issue, yet treat every fighter different. Is quite ridiculous.