Why dont ALL fighters request testing??

long after the pacman and the pu555y had retired i'd like to see these same posters continue talking about the beauty of olympic style testing in sports particularly in boxing. that won't be too long. in fact, i will be making a database of all the threads concerning this subject and ready to resurrect them at any point in the future. hope that helps.

That's a reason I think every American sports league is against blood testing. They are uncomfortable with giving blood and the effectiveness of blood testing is questionable at best. Besides the fact that too many of them are doping. Yeah...that could be it. Especially since they are blood tested anyway. just not for PEDs.

interesting.... these tests have been available since way back in 2008, yet just recently caught among their first cheats. though it simply means it has a 1 in a hundred or so chance of catching cheats since one could safely assume they've been testing athletes all these years. on the other hand, since they DID catch them, it means they have improved on the tests..... somewhat. what is frustrating for me is that i did read about a better means of testing where they could actually use urine to detect HGH even better than blood tests, but i haven't read about any developments in that as of this time. Or it means all that tinkering they did with testing for HGH finally broke through.

They should just legalise all those shiit and let them dope, reading some post here it would make you feel like there is no point in doing a test anyway because the testers are far behind. There is a reason why "Random" was brought in to testing, If we as people think the whole testing process isnt working because they arent caughting anyone then just legalise that shiit, the cheaters would alway be one step ahead of the testers just like the bad guys would alway be one step ahead of the police but that doesnt mean we should stop policing our country because the bad guys would get away with it anyways... I swear all of the post am reading here on this thread is stupid and unintellectual..

Where do you get your numbers my friend? 97% of the jobs in America requires them to give blood? I use to do administer drug tests and do phlembotomy. The main reason why companies prefers urine because it is cheaper. The average cost of a urine test is about $44. For a company to get blood from and employee normally takes a court order or something major has to happen like if you were driving a company vehicle and you'll get in to an accident. If they suspect a DUI then with the proper paperwork can retrieve your blood by any means neccesary. I've seen people try to beat the urine test and even with the stuff they use to try to beat the test comes up as well. Most jobs that involve driving, serious money handling, healthcare or construction requires drug testing. The thing is they do this seldomly. The only job that does drug testing constantly is the military and still a few slip through the cracks. What I'm getting at is who is going to over see this drug testing. Because of course we need a commision that over see this. I mean there is already a commision in boxing that does over see it. And so far there have been alot of people who got caught testing positive for banned substance. People like Fernando Vargas, Roy Jones, Tommy Morrison, Orlando Salido, james Toney, Omar Nino, Mike Tyson, Pernell Whitaker, Juan Guzman, Ricardo Mayorga, and Mariano Carrera In MMA you have Royce Gracie, Stephan Booner, Johnnie Morton,Tim Persey, Vinicius Kappke de Quieroz, Chanel Sonnen, Cesar Gracie, Bas Rutten, Diego Sanchez Thiago Alves, Vitor Belfort, Pawel Nastula, Sean Sherk, Josh Burnett, Kevin Randleman, Tim Silva, Bob Sapp, Ken Shamrock, Chris Leben, Phil Baroni, Johny Morton, Jason Winther, Bill Mahood, Hermes Franca, Kirill Sidelnikov, Karo Parisyan, Pawel Nastula, and Carina Damm. They all fall under the same state commision and they all came up positive. Check the history. Just like OST. There has been olympians that have beaten the test. So what makes one test better than the other. One test professional athletes and the other tests amateur athletes. All the years the testing it seems like it has been working. As long as technology keeps improving there is going to be a few individuls that will skate by.

Recently saw or read that the NFL owners will push very hard for HGH blood testing in the CBA. I get the feeling a lot of sports unions are against strict testing because they know a lot of players are dirty. As messed up as it maybe steriods have been around and will always be around. Trying to catch steriod cheats is like cops and robbers. The cops usually don't have a clue to the new things criminals do to avoid detection until somebody snitches its the same with steriods and the methods people use to mask them and beat the tests. That's a reason I think every American sports league is against blood testing. They are uncomfortable with giving blood and the effectiveness of blood testing is questionable at best. Besides the fact that too many of them are doping.

As a fighter in a all contact sport, you would think both parties would be requesting blood test. Why is it that only certain fighters request it & others get turned weak by the thought of testing?? IS a blood test that dangerous? Can one be killed by it? I've giving blood at blood drives, drug screenings for work, and being tested for std's (which i'm clean of all things)...I've never been shy of testing, and its never hurt me physically. It actually made me feel better knowing that i was clean.. What is it that makes people not want to test? Because it would **** up the product, just as it did in baseball. Do you remember just before Bonds, Sosa and Macs homerun race, baseball was all but dieing. Baseball needed those guys to perform, so my thoughts are that they allowed it to happen in order to revive the sport. Now look at boxing, I see the same thing happenening with the whole blood test situation. If you noticed, all the fighters that refuse or who are against stricter testing have been caught cheating before. (Roy, Evander, James Toney) to name a few. Performances would suffer and the product would be ****ed up, so in my opinion they can't afford that. B-Hop just got into it with Pascal over testing, and B-Hop got a bad look on that one. People look down on a fighter asking for testing for some strange reason, maybe it's cause Floyd asked and Manny refused. But if it were the other way around people would embrace the idea.... just my opinion.

I still have yet to see one post in this thread explain how in the fuk all this testing would get paid for???????

Recently saw or read that the NFL owners will push very hard for HGH blood testing in the CBA. I get the feeling a lot of sports unions are against strict testing because they know a lot of players are dirty. As messed up as it maybe steriods have been around and will always be around. Trying to catch steriod cheats is like cops and robbers. The cops usually don't have a clue to the new things criminals do to avoid detection until somebody snitches its the same with steriods and the methods people use to mask them and beat the tests.

If one of the major organizations like the WBC would mandate all fighters will undergo OST maybe just maybe the other organizations will follow their lead.

interesting.... these tests have been available since way back in 2008, yet just recently caught among their first cheats. though it simply means it has a 1 in a hundred or so chance of catching cheats since one could safely assume they've been testing athletes all these years. on the other hand, since they DID catch them, it means they have improved on the tests..... somewhat. what is frustrating for me is that i did read about a better means of testing where they could actually use urine to detect HGH even better than blood tests, but i haven't read about any developments in that as of this time. Victor Conte in an old interview stated that HGH was not something athletes would take often due to it's limited effects on the body. In other words it's not as popular among athletes as are andro, EPO, HCG and other stimulants. "One, I think that increasing hematocrit levels, whether it’s by traditional blood-doping or the use of EPO, is of greater benefit to a boxer than the use of growth-hormone," he explained. "So growth-hormone is more of an anti-catobolic agent that may help to accelerate the healing of the tissue repair process. But growth-hormone is not anabolic as an anabolic steroid. It’s an anti-catabolic agent and I believe that you don’t get a very big bang for your buck. I’m not a huge fan of growth-hormone. I don’t think it’s tremendously beneficial performance enhancing substance." - Victor Conte

The people in major sports only make up a small percentage of the US population. The majority of the people lets say 97% at less give blood for their jobs. The remaining 3% who are in sports arent special....they are hidding something my friend.. You would be suprised how many great athletics bit the fruit once or twice.. Where did you come up with these numbers from? Also, who gives blood to get a job?

interesting.... these tests have been available since way back in 2008, yet just recently caught among their first cheats. though it simply means it has a 1 in a hundred or so chance of catching cheats since one could safely assume they've been testing athletes all these years. on the other hand, since they DID catch them, it means they have improved on the tests..... somewhat. what is frustrating for me is that i did read about a better means of testing where they could actually use urine to detect HGH even better than blood tests, but i haven't read about any developments in that as of this time. ceres nanosciences developed the urine test and its in the final stages before being available commercially to the public. I'm posting from my phone so i can't link you but they have all the info on their website.

As a fighter in a all contact sport, you would think both parties would be requesting blood test. Why is it that only certain fighters request it & others get turned weak by the thought of testing?? IS a blood test that dangerous? Can one be killed by it? I've giving blood at blood drives, drug screenings for work, and being tested for std's (which i'm clean of all things)...I've never been shy of testing, and its never hurt me physically. It actually made me feel better knowing that i was clean.. What is it that makes people not want to test? Thank you. Same here. The only objection that I might be able to work up some sympathy for is cost. And that only at the lower levels. Once they start gettin' on tv, they oughta' be subjected to really rigorous ped testing.

if you look at the bigger picture the better question is...why don't sports commissions implement better drug testing protocols? drug testing is the responsibility of the commissions in the first place. if you put that responsibility in the shoulders of fighters nothing will happen. put down the rules for them to follow. some of them even try to break the rules so how can you expect them to self-rule with stricter drug testing? i think that they are trying. but they also have to balance out the cost/effectiveness of a test. what's the use of applying tests that end up bankrupting the entire business? also, you have also to put into account corruption. i don't think there is an organization in the planet that doesn't have that problem.

if you look at the bigger picture the better question is...why don't sports commissions implement better drug testing protocols? drug testing is the responsibility of the commissions in the first place. if you put that responsibility in the shoulders of fighters nothing will happen. put down the rules for them to follow. some of them even try to break the rules so how can you expect them to self-rule with stricter drug testing?

Another one in Canada, a football player. http://sports.nationalpost.com/2010/09/08/canadian-football-player-first-university-athlete-to-test-positive-for-hgh/ interesting.... these tests have been available since way back in 2008, yet just recently caught among their first cheats. though it simply means it has a 1 in a hundred or so chance of catching cheats since one could safely assume they've been testing athletes all these years. on the other hand, since they DID catch them, it means they have improved on the tests..... somewhat. what is frustrating for me is that i did read about a better means of testing where they could actually use urine to detect HGH even better than blood tests, but i haven't read about any developments in that as of this time.

Another one in Canada, a football player. http://sports.nationalpost.com/2010/09/08/canadian-football-player-first-university-athlete-to-test-positive-for-hgh/

I've already pulled up two articles of guys testing positive for HGH. LOL. Heck one happened last year and it was posted on this site. And, it was found using blood tests. http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-02-23/sports/27057027_1_hgh-test-test-for-human-growth-growth-hormone That's the only athlete I can find that tested positive.

All I could find was one rugby player in the UK, who is the first and only player caught using HGH. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4940922 That article is all about how the other major sports in the U.S. don't do it because they don't think the tests work. I didn't realize blood testing is that ineffective.