Who else gets talked about, the cup of coffee P-Will had at 147?
Cintron?
ummmmmmmmmmm........................................... Berto.
I fail to see how any of these guys are a big deal, they are alright but they ain't great, just like Cotto and Margarito. Those guys being on some different level is an excuse also.
at the time? Really? Pwill's been wanting to fight at. 147 this whole time. Fighting cotto pre margs? So who would you have put money on at 147? Cotto or hatton at 147? Who would win that fight.
Difference is that at that time they were widely recognized as the her fighters at 147, and they all fought each other. Somehow Floyd managed not to fight any of them, instead option to fight small dude, never were's and old guys. Kind of like what pac's doing right now.
Listening to Floyd fans shi t on manny's current comp level is also fun.
That is simple to answer.. Everyone but the flomos know the answer.. Hell even Nelson Mandela knows the answer. Who is the guy that never asked his previous opponents for the test all of a sudden is asking for a test? Who is the guy who has a history of going on vacations soon as something scurry comes along? Who is the guy who is paranoid because, "how can an ordinary fighter become extraordinary?". I know the guy without any proof whatsoever about his reasons to ask for a test except in own mind, the paranoid guy, does not look so brave with those doubts in his head now does he? That is why only the flomos believe like you do because it is so simple and obvious to everyone else. At least that is what the mainstream media tells me. There are flomos and there are wapakman huggers because everyone who is not a flomo believes floyd is a coward. ESPN, SI, yahoo,, George Forman, Marvin Hagler, Nelson Mandela, etc... all wapakman huggers
QUESTION:
Why is it ONLY Pac fans such as yourself who keep bringing up why Floyd would request such a test when you all know damn well:
-The random drug test issue was part of the contract which NOBODY In Team Pacland flat out refused to negotiate with in 2009.
-Floyd's never failed a drug test EITHER.
-Floyd would be taking the same damn test under USADA rules.
?????????
Can devoted Pac fans answer this with facts and not with childish name calling ???
Floyd is willing to take a "No Warning" "No Cut Off Dates", blood and urine drug test.
AND he's never tested positive for PED's either.
What does Manny want?
He wants to dictate when the drug test will stop. In other words, he wants to do part of USADA's job.
Who's the one running from a $40 mill fight?
Even a 4th grader can answer that one honestly, unless he's a Wapakman hugger.
That is simple to answer.. Everyone but the flomos know the answer.. Hell even Nelson Mandela knows the answer. Who is the guy that never asked his previous opponents for the test all of a sudden is asking for a test? Who is the guy who has a history of going on vacations soon as something scurry comes along? Who is the guy who is paranoid because, "how can an ordinary fighter become extraordinary?". I know the guy without any proof whatsoever about his reasons to ask for a test except in own mind, the paranoid guy, does not look so brave with those doubts in his head now does he? That is why only the flomos believe like you do because it is so simple and obvious to everyone else. At least that is what the mainstream media tells me. There are flomos and there are wapakman huggers because everyone who is not a flomo believes floyd is a coward. ESPN, SI, yahoo,, George Forman, Marvin Hagler, Nelson Mandela, etc... all wapakman huggers
Waiting on Walt Liquor or anybody to answer these...
Ok. Name the top 10 title holders outside of Top Rank that Floyd could've faced to appease, calm, and soothe your desires.
Why would Manny, no, why would Manny's mouthpieces wait so damn long to simply say: "We'd rather not use USADA for drug testing because the current drug testing standards used in boxing are more than adequate"???
Is that what you're implying "they" said? 'Cause nowhere is there any indication, either in print or on video, that Manny has made a very simple request to fight with the current drug testing standards used in boxing.
Do you have the source for that claim? "Cause I have yet to see it or hear about it.
If you do, I stand corrected.
Anyone?
Bueller?
This is just too funny.
This guy is leaving more tracks behind him then your lowest IQ level Burglar.
I can read this guy like a book. He couldn't even come up with a celebrity besides Pacquiao?
Floyd is clever in the ring, with the mouth not so much~ then again that is always why I found it funny that people get hung up on what he says~
hey mindbat, very simple request by manny, fight with the current drug testing standards used in boxing. (either way they are BOTH puswah for not making this fight happen)
How many fighters did I say did a whole lot more? Where do you come up with this shi t?
There is undoubtedly other fighters that have fought better comp at floyd at 140-147. That's not an excuse, it's true.
Wow, you get fooled by that "fighting former beltholders thing"? That's almost as bad as mindbat saying Floyd slappping around jmm at 2 weight classes above jmm's previous highest weight class is so much better that manny going like and death with him at 126-130
Why would Manny, no, why would Manny's mouthpieces wait so damn long to simply say: "We'd rather not use USADA for drug testing because the current drug testing standards used in boxing are more than adequate"???
Is that what you're implying "they" said? 'Cause nowhere is there any indication, either in print or on video, that Manny has made a very simple request to fight with the current drug testing standards used in boxing.
Do you have the source for that claim? "Cause I have yet to see it or hear about it.
If you do, I stand corrected.
I thought the current former, future world champion was a decent measure. There are a lot of belts but you still have to be pretty good to pick one up.
Saying they don't mean anything is an excuse.
Manny Pedquiao needs to take the test so floyd can fight him. no test, no fight.
until then, floyd gonna enjoy vacation till A-side meth man takes the OSTs
what fukn leftovers? Shane (cotto/winky/Forrest leftovers)?
Oscar (Shane/bhop/sturm leftovers)?
Hatton (collazo leftovers at 147)
hey gambler, those aren't facts, those are assumptions. And there's been more fighters around 147 that just arum fighters, so dig a little deeper in your excuse book.
I'm still waiting for you to list all these excuses I make?
And mindbat. Facts are things that are undoubtable. Saying arum wouldn't risk cotto is only a fact if you are bob arum. Saying Floyd and cotto never fought is a fact. Saying cotto fought manny, Shane, margs, Clottey is a fact. Saying Floyd would beat cotto is not a fact. Saying margs fought cotto, Shane, pwill etc is a fact. Saying zab Judah got ktfo by kostya and got nearly killed in the ring by cotto and clottey at 147 is facts.
Ok. Name the top 10 title holders outside of Top Rank that Floyd could've faced to appease, calm, and soothe your desires.
I disagree what has he fought 7 or 8 former, current or future title holders at 140 or above. The excuse is you shitting on those guys, saying oh those guys aren't shit aren't a challenge.
No Floyd didn't have to do anything, he chose to fight a guy people though was a challenge (note I did not think it was a challenge). That is an excuse.
The fact that you gloss over this is what all fighters do, is an excuse.
Saying oThey ather fighters have done a great deal more is another excuse.
hey mindbat, very simple request by manny, fight with the current drug testing standards used in boxing. (either way they are BOTH puswah for not making this fight happen)
How many fighters did I say did a whole lot more? Where do you come up with this shi t?
There is undoubtedly other fighters that have fought better comp at floyd at 140-147. That's not an excuse, it's true.
Wow, you get fooled by that "fighting former beltholders thing"? That's almost as bad as mindbat saying Floyd slappping around jmm at 2 weight classes above jmm's previous highest weight class is so much better that manny going like and death with him at 126-130
Who else gets talked about, the cup of coffee P-Will had at 147?
Cintron?
ummmmmmmmmmm........................................... Berto.
I fail to see how any of these guys are a big deal, they are alright but they ain't great, just like Cotto and Margarito. Those guys being on some different level is an excuse also.
I just respect Floyd's skills like everybody does.
Again, Floyd paid his dues and is already a Hall Of Famer. He's entitled to pick and choose who he wants particularly because he's his own boss.
You can opinionize about Floyd's past fights and who he has and has not fought all you want. Knock yourself out.
VERY SIMPLY...
He wants Pacquiao and wants a clean and fair fight.
That is all he's asking.
He wants Manny to let USADA do their job with the testing and not interfere with it.
VERY SIMPLE REQUEST.
It certainly should not be a fight breaker, or the cause of so much drama.
Without some other issue/s being involved.
And Manny went life and death with Marquez.
You know Arum's been feeding Floyd's left overs to Manny with the exception of Cotto and Margarito.
Who's Manny fighting next?
what fukn leftovers? Shane (cotto/winky/Forrest leftovers)?
Oscar (Shane/bhop/sturm leftovers)?
Hatton (collazo leftovers at 147)
hey gambler, those aren't facts, those are assumptions. And there's been more fighters around 147 that just arum fighters, so dig a little deeper in your excuse book.
I'm still waiting for you to list all these excuses I make?
And mindbat. Facts are things that are undoubtable. Saying arum wouldn't risk cotto is only a fact if you are bob arum. Saying Floyd and cotto never fought is a fact. Saying cotto fought manny, Shane, margs, Clottey is a fact. Saying Floyd would beat cotto is not a fact. Saying margs fought cotto, Shane, pwill etc is a fact. Saying zab Judah got ktfo by kostya and got nearly killed in the ring by cotto and clottey at 147 is facts.
Here we go......... Excuses and speculation inna house!
Don't tell me what I know. Unlike you, I don't believe Floyd has proven himself to be a boxing god worthy of blind worship by beating the guys he has in the last decade. If you actually do it, instead of having people fantasize about it, you get my props.
And Floyd can still get me back, show your class vs PAC regardless of these stupid hangups, or test yourself vs Sergio or pwilly- fukN do something, anything but fight a dude from 2 weight classes below and screw him at the weigh in, or fighting guys 5 yrs past their prime like Oscar and Shane,or fighting guys who obviously don't belong at 147 like hatton or zab.
I just respect Floyd's skills like everybody does.
Again, Floyd paid his dues and is already a Hall Of Famer. He's entitled to pick and choose who he wants particularly because he's his own boss.
You can opinionize about Floyd's past fights and who he has and has not fought all you want. Knock yourself out.
VERY SIMPLY...
He wants Pacquiao and wants a clean and fair fight.
That is all he's asking.
He wants Manny to let USADA do their job with the testing and not interfere with it.
VERY SIMPLE REQUEST.
Cotto and Margarito aren't special enough for me to care about them getting missed point blank. If you can **** on the guys Floyd beat you can **** on Cotto and Margarito the exact same.
I don't think history has proven my view wrong.
name one excuse I made? I don't make excuses. I deal with facts: Floyd has fought a shi TTY resume since he left lw. It's total crap for a supposed atg. His best wins are either Judah at ww (who turned out to be a decent ww at best) or a hatton the went life and death in a hugfest at 147 with collazo.
Those are facts.
Check who the other good fighters at 147 have on their resumes and you'll see who's making up excuses.
Please, please tell me an excuse that I make.
Floyd had to fight Shane because he announced that sh it fight vs a lw the day that manny was fighting and he told everyone he was comic back for a 5 fight plan to beat the best. He doesn't like to lose face (hence the laundry list of excuses) so he needed a credible opponenet and no other one existed.
I disagree what has he fought 7 or 8 former, current or future title holders at 140 or above. The excuse is you shitting on those guys, saying oh those guys aren't shit aren't a challenge.
No Floyd didn't have to do anything, he chose to fight a guy people though was a challenge (note I did not think it was a challenge). That is an excuse.
The fact that you gloss over this is what all fighters do, is an excuse.
Saying other fighters have done a great deal more is another excuse.