I am wondering, does mayweather have the boxing to beat mma fighters from various disciplines???
I know james toney has a crappy style for mma because he is flat footed and stays in the pocket which makes him vunerable but mayweather likes to move around and do all sort of things and it got me curious...How would he and his style do if he fought mma, assuming he cross trained enough to defend other areas such as leg kicks and cage style grappling????
he would lose of course... what a horrible question.. he has a great footwork and would destroy anybody in stand up but he would have no clue what to do when it hits the floor. This is like saying how would a cricketer do in baseball..... errrr two entirely different sports.
in boxing they have been trained to box 100%
in mma boxing is just 40-60% - its more on combination.
so the logic is:
Boxers will win over MMA on a boxing rules.
MMA will win over boxers on an MMA rules.
For the 9 billionth time, 90+% of the time, the MMA fighter wins the MMA fight, and the Boxer wins the Boxing match. Floyd gets tapped out in MMA, and in a boxing ring, he beats the **** out of the MMA guy. Enough with these threads...
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For the 9 billionth time, 90+% of the time, the MMA fighter wins the MMA fight, and the Boxer wins the Boxing match. Floyd gets tapped out in MMA, and in a boxing ring, he beats the **** out of the MMA guy. Enough with these threads...
Good post!
But I am wondering about the bare knuckle stance your describing... Is it similare to ricardo lopez and his stance/form, keeping hands up,active footwork,chin tucked...
no, not really, although lopez's was close, his was more modern boxing.
the stance is weight on the back foot, heel cocked, so weight is on ball of the foot, ankle locked in tight, lead hand out a bit with the elbow settling around near the waist, with the rear hand up by the face/jaw.
you deflect with the lead, punch with the right, the jabs are amazingly effective from that stance once you've gotten comfortable with it, but they're different jabs than modern boxing. also swings, which got lumped into hooks when modern prize fighting came into effect. swings were entirely different from hooks, which with gloves on, they only had hooks, swings were made illegal, but they were to maximize the effect of a fist without padding and or damaging them.
we laugh at that old stance today, but it really the best form one can take when fighting without gloves, for protection of your assets and for defense in a real life fight.
i use the bare knuckle fighting techniques in my self defense regimen, it's more practical in a real fight than using sport techniques.........
boxing stance pertaining to feet placement, more of the weight on the back foot, until weight transfer in punching and taking ground, hands up, lead elbow at the waist, rear by the chin, use lead hand to jab and deflect, and clean up with the rear hand.
quick note, the one two combo with this stance would take on a vertical fist lead hand drop step jab to push the head back exposing the neck followed by a rotation of the hips and shooting out the right hand with the natural fist/punching rotation right into the throat........ this is not for boxing but for self defense. but, pick up the lead leg for the drop step with vertical lead hand jab, once thrown, a quick snap in the hips and snapping the right hand out from it holds a lot of power. if you had a lot of force in it, you can and probably should keep the rear hand vertical as well, you can get more leverage behind your punch with it if you're not wearing gloves. gloves allow more clubbing style punches, bare knuckle you have to be precise........ target areas only, if possible.
hope that has some interests for you.......... if you want to know more, pm me.
if youre a boxer, you have a better chance at winning in mma match if youre a big puncher...floyd is far from that, thus he aint got no chance...
incredibly untrue. without big gloves seemingly 'light punches' do WAY more damage, especially when talking about flash KOs and facial damage. also MMA fighters tend to lead with momentum often, most notably when going for the takedown, so their own momentum+the velocity of the punch makes that 'light' punch very power, especially if it lands on the chin.
I know from experience. I decided to spar at an mma club with their light gloves on instead of the usual 16oz and 18oz ones, and threw a grand total of 3 punches, two right hands and a left hook, and injured two guys with those three punches. someones lip was busted and someone's teeth get messed up. was very unexpected.
point is...small gloves=more damage.
if youre a boxer, you have a better chance at winning in mma match if youre a big puncher...floyd is far from that, thus he aint got no chance...
floyds strikes would be more effective than a mma fighters..thats common sense..its not the striking that would bother him
footwork is key to mma. as long as you can jump backwards and push your opponent off, you can prevent the takedown. its worked for me in the past. lateral movement also works wonders, as does countering as they try to close the distance. sometimes holding behind the head and/or pushing their head down can prevent the takedown altogether.
the real reason Toney id ****ty in mma is because hes a ****ty fighter now in general. fat, shot, drunk, and only went into it to cash out and lose on purpose. not that Im saying he could have been amazing in mma had he not been all the above, but he certainly would have actually done something.
I mean ****, the UFC made photoshopped pictures of how in shape he was to display on their website. he was brought in as a sacrificial lamb and nothing else.
I think Floyd Mayweather's style would be better then Toney's for MMA, though they may rush him he has the defensive style and footwork to get his back off the cage snd use lateral movement and his hand speed is probably the fastest that any Mixed martial artist has seen. So i believe he does have the boxing to beat some mixed martial artists.
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for a stand up style, from my studies and experience, the old bare knuckle style stance is probably the most effective in against mma or shoot ins.
with the lead hand out and the elbow about the waist, shooting in is met with a quick shot right in the face, it's not fool proof, some guys take two to get one, but it's an obstacle with a fist right in your face if you're thinking about shooting in.
i don't know why mma fighters hold their guard up like boxers do, boxing gloves allow a fighter to turtle up and have some protection, from elbows to gloves with padding, makes for a viable defense.
but with no gloves or those small mma gloves, punches can come right in through the guard and sides.
the old bare knuckle stance, which back in the day of bare knuckle fighting it was called "Fencing with fists" and that lead hand was out to deflect punches because taking any punches back in the day was losing, because covering up and letting a guy hit you 1) could end the fight easily and 2) he could smash your hands and arms, breaking your hand and or hands and break down the muscle in your arms making it harder for you to fight and defend yourself.
also the bare knuckle stance allows you to keep your chin tucked at all times so it would be viable against head kicks too, provided you're aware...
but i think that, that element in mma would serve those guys better than boxing defense in a mma fight.
also, a boxing stance with the elbows up, hands by the ears and face, ALLOWS FOR ANOTHER FIGHTER TO SHOOT IN, again, bare knuckle stance keeps a fist right in the opponents face if he were to consider shooting in........
long winded i know..............
Good post!
But I am wondering about the bare knuckle stance your describing... Is it similare to ricardo lopez and his stance/form, keeping hands up,active footwork,chin tucked...
how is his philly shell gonna work against a take down?
for a stand up style, from my studies and experience, the old bare knuckle style stance is probably the most effective in against mma or shoot ins.
with the lead hand out and the elbow about the waist, shooting in is met with a quick shot right in the face, it's not fool proof, some guys take two to get one, but it's an obstacle with a fist right in your face if you're thinking about shooting in.
i don't know why mma fighters hold their guard up like boxers do, boxing gloves allow a fighter to turtle up and have some protection, from elbows to gloves with padding, makes for a viable defense.
but with no gloves or those small mma gloves, punches can come right in through the guard and sides.
the old bare knuckle stance, which back in the day of bare knuckle fighting it was called "Fencing with fists" and that lead hand was out to deflect punches because taking any punches back in the day was losing, because covering up and letting a guy hit you 1) could end the fight easily and 2) he could smash your hands and arms, breaking your hand and or hands and break down the muscle in your arms making it harder for you to fight and defend yourself.
also the bare knuckle stance allows you to keep your chin tucked at all times so it would be viable against head kicks too, provided you're aware...
but i think that, that element in mma would serve those guys better than boxing defense in a mma fight.
also, a boxing stance with the elbows up, hands by the ears and face, ALLOWS FOR ANOTHER FIGHTER TO SHOOT IN, again, bare knuckle stance keeps a fist right in the opponents face if he were to consider shooting in........
long winded i know..............
mma rules floyd loses about as embarrassing as toney did......
in boxing rules, floyd ko's any mma guy within 4 rounds, and that's floyd carrying them for however long he wants...
90 percent of the time boxers arnt gonna beat mma fights in mma
90 percent of the time mma fights arnt gonna beat boxers in boxing
completly differant sports