U know when boxing is going to the dogs when the top 3 fighters don't need to fight.

Geez! TS got owned big time! :Flush:

this ****ing puto again. Yopu never get tired of this ****?? Why are u insisting these small WW's to challenge the MW champ?? So what if they fought at 154 once? They're back down to 147. What can't you understand that they feel it's too much for them?? Why do you think Roy jones didn't stay at HW and challenge the best HW's?? Are you mentally retarded?

You people sh1t on Tony as if he is some bum, but dude has broke some very elite fighters. Hell I was at the event live and while Margarito got destroyed, he had Manny ready to go in the Sixth round and the most hurt I've seen him since the Nedal Hussein bout. Just think Marg only landed three significant punches, but had Manny in the Hospital with the thought of him having broken ribs. That was far from a cherry pick/easy fight. Yes he has, but let's put it into perspective. He's been a pro fighting at 147 since the age of about 16. He's fought many many wars. Think about the cumulative punishment this man has taken from just these four fights: 1. Paul Williams 2. Joshua Clottey-----> Clottey was hitting him with bombs 3. Cotto---->threw everything but the kitchen sink @ Margarito. 4. Mosley----> he skull ****ked Margarito. Floyd Mayweather whom i consider to have an above average if not very good chin was on queer street after one good punch to the temple......Shane hit Margo CLEANLY with those bombs for 9 straight rds. Now consider a one year layoff, and the fact he came back at 154. His body could no longer physically make the weight at 147. Now consider the fight was at a CW of 150. Also add in the fact that as a slow plodder he is very conducive to MP's style and really whilst not an entirely easy fight there was a reason Margarito was paying over $5.00 at the sportsbook.

Pac doesn't need to fight Martinez at 154. Pac's 154 title was a complete disgrace and a sham. Pure marketing and cheating history at it's finest against an unworthy opponent who shouldn't even have been allowed to get back in a ring. Wisely Freddie has decided to shut his gob about Martinez. Mayweather on the other hand has a legit title at 154. A Mayweather vs Martinez fight at 154 is viable, but it's not something Floyd needs to do to prove his greatness by any means.

& ur fine with that?? if cotto agrees, then I don't see the big deal.

But will you also say Martinez doesn't deserve a title shot even though Martinez is the mandatory? martinez is by far the superior boxer, Chavez has to work his way up to fight martinez, not the other way aroudn.

Pacman,Floyd & Martinez have all recently been champion at 154.This is a fact period.Martinez is currently campaigning 1 division above while Floyd & Pacman,(who won't fight each other) are 1 division below.Meet up at 154,throw Cotto in the mix & find out who's the best fighter on the planet period.Martinez is ready,I know Cotto would if the public demands it.But Floyd,he don't fight no one dangerous & Martinez doesn't fit the criteria for Pacman,winning streak,looked fantastic in recent bouts,that $hit is a crying shame. But if Cotto beats Margarito & Pacman rematches him at 154,what then??If Floyd comes back after Pacman signs for Cotto at 154 what then??When Cotto signs to fight who ever what then??When Martinez continues to smash top opposition,will he get his due??The state of boxing sucks & boxing fans seems to love the $hit sandwich,why?? You are getting worst everyday. You been trying us to feed this misinformation for a week now that Pac vs Martinez at 154 is a fair fight and must happen for the sake of boxing (or you just want to quench your thirst wanting to see Pac loses badly?). I know you are clueless and have no idea (have you?) if this fight happens. That during fight night Martinez might have 20 lbs advantage or more over Pac but obviously you have an hidden agenda of why you don't dare to mention it here.:spank: If they fight at 154- base on their last fight weight analysis. Pac weigh in = 145 the most, fight night 149 the most Martinez weigh in = 154, fight night at least 170 or more Pac 149-145=4 Martinez 170-154=16 16+4=20lbs Can't you see how much weight advantage Martinez would be over Pac? Of course you don't!:moon:

if you have to bring up floyd's and pac's (especially pac) 154 title, you have to recognize its legitimacy first. This is right and I don't. Sergio is just plain too big for Floyd or Pac and a fight w/either (regardless of at what weight) would have no bearing on p4p considerations, in my opinion. Martinez either needs to stay put and rule the 160lb division for awhile and claim his greatness in that fashion a la' MM Hagler or B-Hop (both of which would pwn him in a fantasy matchup, imo) or (if he's in a hurry) grow a set, go up 8 lbs and start campaigning @ SMW. Ill take Martinez KO8 or less over Allan Green, by UD over Sakio Bika, by SD over Froch and Kessler and by KO over Bute. I say he loses to Dirrel, Glen Johnson and Ward by UD.

You people sh1t on Tony as if he is some bum, but dude has broke some very elite fighters. Hell I was at the event live and while Margarito got destroyed, he had Manny ready to go in the Sixth round and the most hurt I've seen him since the Nedal Hussein bout. Just think Marg only landed three significant punches, but had Manny in the Hospital with the thought of him having broken ribs. That was far from a cherry pick/easy fight. I remember the whole pre-fight drama leading to the fight here in these forums. No one from the pac-hating snakes could commit themselves into betting even their e-points in favor of Pac. They're not really sure he would win. I wasn't either. They're getting ready to discredit Pac in case he wins. This ts hoped Marg would win, which means he's really not sure Pac would win. How tf does that even make sense?

You people sh1t on Tony as if he is some bum, but dude has broke some very elite fighters. Hell I was at the event live and while Margarito got destroyed, he had Manny ready to go in the Sixth round and the most hurt I've seen him since the Nedal Hussein bout. Just think Marg only landed three significant punches, but had Manny in the Hospital with the thought of him having broken ribs. That was far from a cherry pick/easy fight. Yet people simply CANNOT/WILL NOT SEE THAT. It just shows you the kind of mindset those who hate pac have.

I watched the Marg/Pac several times and you gotta be a real hating snake if you think that is a cherry picked fight. I can't imagine Marquez or any small guy going through that non-stop pressure from Marg. I guess some people really don't watch fights that seriously. They are more interested in senseless drama outside the ring. You people sh1t on Tony as if he is some bum, but dude has broke some very elite fighters. Hell I was at the event live and while Margarito got destroyed, he had Manny ready to go in the Sixth round and the most hurt I've seen him since the Nedal Hussein bout. Just think Marg only landed three significant punches, but had Manny in the Hospital with the thought of him having broken ribs. That was far from a cherry pick/easy fight.

I watched the Marg/Pac several times and you gotta be a real hating snake if you think that is a cherry picked fight. I can't imagine Marquez or any small guy going through that non-stop pressure from Marg. I guess some people really don't watch fights that seriously. They are more interested in senseless drama outside the ring.

It's kinda awkward/scary watching these fan bases unite. Hell I even catch myself co-signing many posters who I dislike and blast on a constant basis...lol Its quite logical really. You see, when people actually stop hating on Manny, they begin to become reasonable, and their minds start working normally.

Pacman,Floyd & Martinez have all recently been champion at 154.This is a fact period.Martinez is currently campaigning 1 division above while Floyd & Pacman,(who won't fight each other) are 1 division below.Meet up at 154,throw Cotto in the mix & find out who's the best fighter on the planet period.Martinez is ready,I know Cotto would if the public demands it.But Floyd,he don't fight no one dangerous & Martinez doesn't fit the criteria for Pacman,winning streak,looked fantastic in recent bouts,that $hit is a crying shame. But IF Cotto beats Margarito & IF Pacman rematches him at 154,what then??IF Floyd comes back after Pacman signs for Cotto at 154 what then??When Cotto signs to fight who ever what then??When Martinez continues to smash top opposition,will he get his due??The state of boxing sucks & boxing fans seems to love the $hit sandwich,why?? you're complaining about boxing because of POSSIBLE results of POSSIBLE fights and decisions boxers MIGHT make based on those EVENTS WE ARE NOT SURE WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN?!?!?!? Pac fought and won and is thus a champion at 154. FACT. Pac HIMSELF ADMITTED that he had problems facing margarito at that weight and would thus go back to 147. FACT. why can't the TS get it into his head that Pac simply tested the waters at 154, didn't like what he felt and therefore decided to go back to 147? not only his words, but Pac's body attested to that fact since he had to be hospitalized the very next day after his fight with margarito for extreme body pains. compare that to his fight with cotto at 145 where he had a concert afterwards, that very night of the fight! when will it ever occur to you TS that based on Pac's experience at CATCHWEIGHT of 150, it is no longer safe for him to fight at that weight? Keep thinking like this TS and you shouldn't be di'bushbaby. a more appropriate name for you would be: D'CRYBABY.

I've only got a few posts in here. Not really debating, just schooling. Basically just closing up shop here. Cool cool....lol I don't blame you as the TS is ridiculous with his hating on Manny.

Well i guess Mayweather and Paquiao fans finally have somethings in common lol. It's kinda awkward/scary watching these fan bases unite. Hell I even catch myself co-signing many posters who I dislike and blast on a constant basis...lol

Why are you wasting time debating with the TS? Dude is a b1tch who whines about everything that's Pacquiao related. I've only got a few posts in here. Not really debating, just schooling. Basically just closing up shop here.

Why are you wasting time debating with the TS? Dude is a b1tch who whines about everything that's Pacquiao related. That's an understatement man.. it's kinda sad.

You guys wanna know why the TS is a biased idiot.... He expects Manny to give up 22lbs to Martinez, but when I asked why Martinez can't give up 10-12lbs to Bute and 5-8lbs to Froch, he hides behind the "Sergio is too small for those guys" excuse. If Manny says he is too small (something I doubt he will do) then according to the TS he is ducking, yet he will hide behind that excuse when it comes to Martinez. Dude is a dumb@ss....smh

Same TS who says Pac ducked Yuri Foreman. Boxing expert Teddy Atlas believed Clottey is more dangerous than Foreman. How many peeps saw Yuri's fight against Wolak. Haha... yes, that's the Foreman who this TS says Pac ducked. Kids say the darnedest things. Why they never grow up is beyond me.