Why Would Roach Tell Shane he is Too Good?

My gripe is that he beats fighters under unfair conditions and brags about it , he could have fought Bert or JMM or like I said Floyd by just agreeing to a simple test , to fight Shane now of all times and brag we want to out do Floyd is a joke thats very hard to swallow except for Pactards , they dont care what Pac does he gets a pass and a pat on the back . He aint the only one who does it. Fact is the higher you are up on the food chain, the more you can demand. He gives up natural size to everyone now so if his opponents dont have a problem with it, neither do I. As for Manny "I'm just doing my job" Pacquiao bragging, not sure where you getting that from. He gets accolades for what he's doing from everyone else.

Andre Berto, Jan Zaveck, and Mike Jones are still at 147. Two of them have belts. Money. Both Floyd and Pac would choose Shane before any of these guys.

No free pass from me. I could give 2 shiits about how they resolve the testing issue, I just want the fight done. As for the Marg fight, I never like it from the beginning. I agree that this championship is bs and Im assuming they know it too, thats why gave it back. My whole thing is: what is Pac supposed to do? He got less than a handful of fights left before he retires. His legacy is cemented. The 147 lb div is pretty much cleared. He's already said he's not going anywhere past 147. So whats left?Money. Make as much money as possible while you still can and at the same time avoid becoming RJJ or James Toney. My gripe is that he beats fighters under unfair conditions and brags about it , he could have fought Bert or JMM or like I said Floyd by just agreeing to a simple test , to fight Shane now of all times and brag we want to out do Floyd is a joke thats very hard to swallow except for Pactards , they dont care what Pac does he gets a pass and a pat on the back .

No free pass from me. I could give 2 shiits about how they resolve the testing issue, I just want the fight done. As for the Marg fight, I never like it from the beginning. I agree that this championship is bs and Im assuming they know it too, thats why gave it back. My whole thing is: what is Pac supposed to do? He got less than a handful of fights left before he retires. His legacy is cemented. The 147 lb div is pretty much cleared. He's already said he's not going anywhere past 147. So whats left?Money. Make as much money as possible while you still can and at the same time avoid becoming RJJ or James Toney. Andre Berto, Jan Zaveck, and Mike Jones are still at 147. Two of them have belts.

Cut the crap bud , Floyd was at the table signed Pac only had to agree to a simple test and the fight was on , any other fighter and many publicly announced this test is no problem with them ,, but its a big problem with Pac and you fools give him a total free pass on that ,Pac fights a 154 title at 150 in a huge ring with gloves not mandated for that division , they drag a a convicted cheater from obscurity and manipulate a boxing license that they couldnt get anywhere but Texas , before doing this they ducked an official 154 champ sighting he was too big ,,,,,,, fuk me bud there is so much innuendo surrounding Pac fights its a fuking circus of lies cheating and bullsh!t matchmaking . No free pass from me. I could give 2 shiits about how they resolve the testing issue, I just want the fight done. As for the Marg fight, I never like it from the beginning. I agree that this championship is bs and Im assuming they know it too, thats why gave it back. My whole thing is: what is Pac supposed to do? He got less than a handful of fights left before he retires. His legacy is cemented. The 147 lb div is pretty much cleared. He's already said he's not going anywhere past 147. So whats left?Money. Make as much money as possible while you still can and at the same time avoid becoming RJJ or James Toney.

2009 called and asked for it's thread back! man thats one of the best gifs i've seen (in your sig), its brutal.

Are you all forgetting Shane called out Pac just a couple of months after dusting off Margo????????? We're talkin bout spring 09. You know, bout round the same time he(Shane)was blatently duckin Paul???????? WOW!!!!! 2 years and everybody forgets what the hell happened. He was campaigning even before the Hatton fight.

Despite the overwhelming evidence that Floyd does not want to fight anyone who has ANY chance of beating him, Floyd fans will always revert to their one and only talking point...testing. I've said this before that Floyd fans are only concerned with Floyd getting what he wants. When Floyd was down to negotiate cut off dates, they were all for it. Now that he refuses to negotiate, they ain't havin' it. Not gonna get in OST debate because this shiit is old. He needs to end his vacation and make an effort to make this fight happen or just retire altogether. Cut the crap bud , Floyd was at the table signed Pac only had to agree to a simple test and the fight was on , any other fighter and many publicly announced this test is no problem with them ,, but its a big problem with Pac and you fools give him a total free pass on that ,Pac fights a 154 title at 150 in a huge ring with gloves not mandated for that division , they drag a a convicted cheater from obscurity and manipulate a boxing license that they couldnt get anywhere but Texas , before doing this they ducked an official 154 champ sighting he was too big ,,,,,,, fuk me bud there is so much innuendo surrounding Pac fights its a fuking circus of lies cheating and bullsh!t matchmaking .

He hasnt beat Floyd at his own game , he fights Floyds seconds after they are shot faded or weight drained and then trys to say he was more impressive , its a empty win ,,, what do I want Pac to do , agree to full random OST testing and fight Floyd , thats what an honorable guy would have done not all this bullsh!t . Despite the overwhelming evidence that Floyd does not want to fight anyone who has ANY chance of beating him, Floyd fans will always revert to their one and only talking point...testing. I've said this before that Floyd fans are only concerned with Floyd getting what he wants. When Floyd was down to negotiate cut off dates, they were all for it. Now that he refuses to negotiate, they ain't havin' it. Not gonna get in OST debate because this shiit is old. He needs to end his vacation and make an effort to make this fight happen or just retire altogether.

Who do you want him to fight that would outdo Floyd? Pac's made a career of beating Floyd at his own game.shane is the most profitable low risk fight out there. Who at 147 is left? I believe the 3 names tossed around were Berto, JMM, and Shane. JMM at 147 would be stupid and he would be criticized for blowing up a LW. Berto has no mainstream noteriety. Shane was the logical choice. He hasnt beat Floyd at his own game , he fights Floyds seconds after they are shot faded or weight drained and then trys to say he was more impressive , its a empty win ,,, what do I want Pac to do , agree to full random OST testing and fight Floyd , thats what an honorable guy would have done not all this bullsh!t .

After Cotto not after Hatton. After Hatton, people thought Pacquiao was going to fight Bradley or some 140 pounder, the Pac-May craziness wasn't in it's prime yet, and Mosley wasn't crazy about Pac either. It was after Cotto. So let me see, where is it that your post makes sense? You're telling me that The Golden Boy from Ghana, Joshua Clottey, was more of a draw than Shane Mosley? Clottey was a low risk, high reward fight? A higher reward than Mosley? :lol1: Pay attention mayne, Mosley-Berto was signed and sealed at the time Pacquiao signed on to fight Clottey. Shane only became available AFTER the Earthquake in Haiti and Andre pulling out, which was AFTER Pac-Clottey was official. Get your facts straight. And when Manny beats Shane so badly that his own family won't be able to recognize him and the fight is stopped, you clowns are going to have an awfully hard time convincing people that Pacquiao-Mosley would've been remotely competitive just a year- a year and 1/2 ago... But I'm sure that won't stop you from trying :lol1:

Thats OK , but what about the big talk now , we want to out do Floyd , WTF what a fukin copout , if Pac wanted to out do Floyd he needed to fight and beat Mosley FIRST , not blatantly duck Mosley then fight all this CW crap with inhouse sloths untill Shane shows he is Shot , what a fukin pile of horsesh!t Pac wants people to swallow and little boy fanboys do lol , just like WWE a scripted side show . Who do you want him to fight that would outdo Floyd? Pac's made a career of beating Floyd at his own game.shane is the most profitable low risk fight out there. Who at 147 is left? I believe the 3 names tossed around were Berto, JMM, and Shane. JMM at 147 would be stupid and he would be criticized for blowing up a LW. Berto has no mainstream noteriety. Shane was the logical choice.

So what is the reward for fighting a low risk shopworn Mosley? Who's a lower risk with a bigger name than Shane?

look i'm not being a d1ck but it wud help f u broke that sh1t up w/ line breaks or paragraphs or sumn cuz it's hard 2 follow. i think what ur sayn s shane called out pac after hatton? the logic still applies ya? cuz cotto was comin off the margarito loss n subpar performance against clottey. n still he's a bigger draw than shane. f ur talkn bout after cotto-- the logic still applies so just apply the same logic 2 whenever u want. Yeah, because that was MUCH easier to read. ...if you don't mind the "15 year old text message" style.

Even in 2009 why would they outright duck Shane but act like they want Floyd, as if Floyd was a lesser threat.. Yes, Roach ducked the loser of Cotto-Mosley to take on the winner, even though Arum picks Pac's opponents not Freddie :op: Cotto beat Mosley, Mosley beat Margarito, Margarito beat Cotto. Come May 8th, Pacquiao will have destroyed ALL of them in brutal fashion. Time to move on. Oh, and...

look i'm not being a d1ck but it wud help f u broke that sh1t up w/ line breaks or paragraphs or sumn cuz it's hard 2 follow. i think what ur sayn s shane called out pac after hatton? the logic still applies ya? cuz cotto was comin off the margarito loss n subpar performance against clottey. n still he's a bigger draw than shane. f ur talkn bout after cotto-- the logic still applies so just apply the same logic 2 whenever u want. I'm from the school of DLT, I make space when I feel like it, sorry. After Cotto not after Hatton. After Hatton, people thought Pacquiao was going to fight Bradley or some 140 pounder, the Pac-May craziness wasn't in it's prime yet, and Mosley wasn't crazy about Pac either. It was after Cotto. So let me see, where is it that your post makes sense? You're telling me that The Golden Boy from Ghana, Joshua Clottey, was more of a draw than Shane Mosley? Clottey was a low risk, high reward fight? A higher reward than Mosley? ^5 Sentences=1 paragraph.

This is what it comes down to. Risk vs Reward. This is what every fighter considers before taking a fight. Thats OK , but what about the big talk now , we want to out do Floyd , WTF what a fukin copout , if Pac wanted to out do Floyd he needed to fight and beat Mosley FIRST , not blatantly duck Mosley then fight all this CW crap with inhouse sloths untill Shane shows he is Shot , what a fukin pile of horsesh!t Pac wants people to swallow and little boy fanboys do lol , just like WWE a scripted side show .

This is what it comes down to. Risk vs Reward. This is what every fighter considers before taking a fight. So what is the reward for fighting a low risk shopworn Mosley?

n 2009, shane was coming off some big wins. therefore, mosley was high risk, no reward. y not fight ricky hatton n 2009 4 more money? lower risk, high reward. same w/ floyd. y fite mosley n 2009 when u cud fite marquez 4 more money? again, lower risk, high reward. at least pac/floyd don't fite goat farmers frm czechozlavakia. This is what it comes down to. Risk vs Reward. This is what every fighter considers before taking a fight.

shane was coming off some big wins. therefore, mosley was high risk, no reward. y not fight ricky hatton 4 more money? lower risk, higher reward. same w/ floyd. y fite mosley when u cud fite marquez. again, lower risk, high reward. at least pac/floyd don't fite goat farmers frm czechozlavakia. Problem is Mosley wanted to fight Pacquiao after he had already fought Hatton then Cotto. It was after the Cotto fight that Mosley asked for a fight, not before the Hatton fight. Before the Pac-Hatton fight, it was Pac-DLH in Dec 2008. Mosley had just come off his win over Margarito and was calling Mayweather out of retirement, he didn't have his eyes set on Pacquiao until after Pacquiao beat Haton and Cotto. So the "y not fight ricky hatton 4 more money? lower risk, higher reward" doesn't really make sense in this case.