I think its a fair assessment. 2 division difference
Seriously I dont think people have the right to ask people to move up when they are at their natural weight. Its okay if you can see someone like donaire starving himself up to make the weight or obviously look much bigger in that division. But asking them to fight and move out of their division is just not right.
Its a duck when you obviously are on the same division and you guys wont fight each other.
Imagine doing this to any fighter their you like. I understand why Sergio wants the fight he wants to fight the best and wants the ultimate prize $$$$
That is all
That's fine, I'm not saying I don't want to see it, I would be ecstatic if it's made, but 90% of the people on this site are acting like Pacquiao is ducking Martinez. Really? That's like saying Donaire is ducking Juan Manuel Lopez or Marquez is ducking Berto.
Didn't see your post but that's exactly what I'm sayin.
um, its win win for boxing fans, because they get to see two of the best fighters in the sport duke it out.
and Martinez certainly isnt going to complain. he would get a lot of publicity and $$$, and it would help his legacy anyway regardless of the fact that he was 'supposed to win'.
I dont give a **** about how people look at Pacquiao's legacy. If he loses, oh well, he took a risk and it didnt pay off, he wasnt supposed to win anyway so who cares. he wins and holy **** hes added to his legacy.
the only people that dont want Pac-Martinez to happen are people that dont want to see Pacquiao lose, flat out. **** that, I want to see a good fight.
No you want to see pacquiao lose a unfair outmatched fight. The hate is obvious. That's like saying HEY LET'S WATCH DONAIRE OR JUANMA FIGHT MAYWEATHER! you clowns are trying to discredit pacquiao for having balls by not draining himself to fight bigger fighters. He's practically the only boxer right now doing this but you hatin ass suckas just got too much hate it's laughable. He ain't superman.
I could totally see this fight happening at 168 if Hopkins runs is mouth enough to bait Martinez. Would be awesome for Martinez to finally put him into retirement. But the question is if anyone would consider it a good win and give him credit.
That's fine, I'm not saying I don't want to see it, I would be ecstatic if it's not made, but 90% of the people on this site are acting like Pacquiao is ducking Martinez. Really? That's like saying Donaire is ducking Juan Manuel Lopez or Marquez is ducking Berto.
OK, that I can agree with. you cant say that Pacquiao is ducking Martinez.
although if Pacquiao tries compaigning again at 154lbs and picking up some more BS belts at 150lbs, then that changes everything.
um, its win win for boxing fans, because they get to see two of the best fighters in the sport duke it out.
and Martinez certainly isnt going to complain. he would get a lot of publicity and $$$, and it would help his legacy anyway regardless of the fact that he was 'supposed to win'.
I dont give a **** about how people look at Pacquiao's legacy. If he loses, oh well, he took a risk and it didnt pay off, he wasnt supposed to win anyway so who cares. he wins and holy **** hes added to his legacy.
the only people that dont want Pac-Martinez to happen are people that dont want to see Pacquiao lose, flat out. **** that, I want to see a good fight.
That's fine, I'm not saying I don't want to see it, I would be ecstatic if it's made, but 90% of the people on this site are acting like Pacquiao is ducking Martinez. Really? That's like saying Donaire is ducking Juan Manuel Lopez or Marquez is ducking Berto.
The comparison in this thread doesn't work at all. Sergio is most likely capable of fighting at 168, as he started at 147 and despite his age is in his prime and still capable of moving up. Pacquiao and Mayweather are both at the end of their ability to climb the weights. They have both fought at 154, and we know they both are not able to stay there and fight because they are both too small. Maybe Mayweather has grown enough to fight there without issue, but I doubt it.
It's lose lose for everyone involved. If Martinez beats either, well he should he's bigger, stronger, faster, and a natural at the weight. Pacquiao or Mayweather losing leads to morons calling them bums or overrated because they can't beat a guy bigger, stronger, faster, and a natural at the weight.
It's absolutely ridiculous to expect them to fight Martinez. If they did, they would deserve incredible credit just for doing so, win or lose.
um, its win win for boxing fans, because they get to see two of the best fighters in the sport duke it out.
and Martinez certainly isnt going to complain. he would get a lot of publicity and $$$, and it would help his legacy anyway regardless of the fact that he was 'supposed to win'.
I dont give a **** about how people look at Pacquiao's legacy. If he loses, oh well, he took a risk and it didnt pay off, he wasnt supposed to win anyway so who cares. he wins and holy **** hes added to his legacy.
the only people that dont want Pac-Martinez to happen are people that dont want to see Pacquiao lose, flat out. **** that, I want to see a good fight.
I think its a fair assessment. 2 division difference
Seriously I dont think people have the right to ask people to move up when they are at their natural weight. Its okay if you can see someone like donaire starving himself up to make the weight or obviously look much bigger in that division. But asking them to fight and move out of their division is just not right.
Its a duck when you obviously are on the same division and you guys wont fight each other.
Imagine doing this to any fighter their you like. I understand why Sergio wants the fight he wants to fight the best and wants the ultimate prize $$$$
That is all
Martinez was at 154 for so long so why people going ape **** about him calling out Floyd or Manny?
well, Martinez is willing to go to 154lbs to fight Manny.
so that would be like Hopkins going to 168lbs to fight Martinez.
...and you have a problem with that matchup? I think it would be very good and worth watching.
The comparison in this thread doesn't work at all. Sergio is most likely capable of fighting at 168, as he started at 147 and despite his age is in his prime and still capable of moving up. Pacquiao and Mayweather are both at the end of their ability to climb the weights. They have both fought at 154, and we know they both are not able to stay there and fight because they are both too small. Maybe Mayweather has grown enough to fight there without issue, but I doubt it.
It's lose lose for everyone involved. If Martinez beats either, well he should he's bigger, stronger, faster, and a natural at the weight. Pacquiao or Mayweather losing leads to morons calling them bums or overrated because they can't beat a guy bigger, stronger, faster, and a natural at the weight.
It's absolutely ridiculous to expect them to fight Martinez. If they did, they would deserve incredible credit just for doing so, win or lose.
well, Martinez is willing to go to 154lbs to fight Manny.
so that would be like Hopkins going to 168lbs to fight Martinez.
...and you have a problem with that matchup? I think it would be very good and worth watching.
Floyd Mayweather:
WBC light middleweight title
Manny Pacquiao:
vacant WBC light middleweight title (supervisor: Jose Sulaiman)
Sergio Martinez:
2009-02-14 153¼ Kermit Cintron 154 30-2-0
BankAtlantic Center, Sunrise, Florida, United States D MD 12 12
interim WBC light middleweight title
Ridiculous. If Pac beat Sergio you'd claim he's a natural MW and ducking Ward.
Fighting at JMW one time =/= being a JMW
Pac's natural weight class is LW, Mayweather is a natural WW. These are facts of nature, belts only make you heavier when you wear them.
You people are all being very stupid about this. Sergio is a big, fast, strong middleweight. Expecting Mayweather and Pacquiao to fight him is pure hatred towards them. Pacquiao having a joke title at 154 in no way means he should fight the middleweight champion, and Mayweather beating a part time fighting Oscar to win a belt 5 years ago doesn't mean he should either.
Stop being pricks about Mayweather and Pacquiao and look at it realistically.
Just because they both fought at jmw 1 time don't mean they ate jmw. Sergio been fighting at me for almost 2 years. Both p will fights was at mw, pavlik and sergy.
How the f-ck could you compare a Floyd who fought a partime fighter in Hoya and PAC who fought a past his prime margarito.
Like are you mothaf-ckas serious. If this the case Floyd and manny gets full credit for fighting jmm at ww. I mean it's only right? Right?
No he doesn't. Pac no longer has a belt at 154 (Canelo has that belt now) and pac no longer campaigns at 154. I don't know why it's hard for people to understand it was a one time thing for historical reasons. Maybe you same people expected Roy Jones to continue on at heavyweight and fight lennox lewis and klitschko just because he beat ruiz.
of course pacman doesnt campaign at 154 anymore once he saw martinez wanted some of him lol
manny has a 154 title
he got no excuses
Actually he doesn't have the 154 title anymore. It went to canelo last week. How many times floyd and pacquaio fought at 154. 147 is both fighters walk around weight. Yes they fought at 154 to test the water and both were uncomfortable in that weight class. You saying they both ducking martinez even thugh they both are not fighting at 154 anymore.
Floyd Mayweather:
2007-05-05 150 Oscar De La Hoya 154 38-4-0
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12
referee: Kenny Bayless | judge: Chuck Giampa 116-112 | judge: Jerry Roth 115-113 | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 113-115
WBC light middleweight title
Manny Pacquiao:
2010-11-13 144½ Antonio Margarito 150 38-6-0
Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, Texas, United States W UD 12 12
referee: Laurence Cole | judge: Oren Shellenberger 119-109 | judge: Juergen Langos 120-108 | judge: Glen Rick Crocker 118-110
vacant WBC light middleweight title (supervisor: Jose Sulaiman)
Sergio Martinez:
2009-02-14 153¼ Kermit Cintron 154 30-2-0
BankAtlantic Center, Sunrise, Florida, United States D MD 12 12
referee: Frank Santore Jr. | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 116-110 | judge: Ged O'Connor 113-113 | judge: Peter Trematerra 113-113
interim WBC light middleweight title
What's the issue?
Total & complete ownage of this tread,we might as well lock this $hit down & move on because it's a wrap!!
No he doesn't. Pac no longer has a belt at 154 (Canelo has that belt now) and pac no longer campaigns at 154. I don't know why it's hard for people to understand it was a one time thing for historical reasons. Maybe you same people expected Roy Jones to continue on at heavyweight and fight lennox lewis and klitschko just because he beat ruiz.
But you and I know that, that "title" at 54 was bogus.
The Mayweather-Sergio and Manny-Sergio talk needs to be completely hauted. Sergio is too much of a risk for BOTH of them and they would NEVER fight him. And to be honest, I don't blame them.