Martinez p4p# 1? For what reason?

Maybe you missed the part where I said Martinez can easily be rated number one. Not in my opinion, true, but I can understand why he would be, and I have no problem with that. He's a tremendous fighter. He's certainly above Floyd, on activity and opposition, but Pacquiao is still very active and still toying with weight advancement and looking dominant. Whether or not you agree with his opposition, he hasn't done anything short of demolish who they put in front of him. He doesn't lose his number one status until he turns out a **** performance or loses. That's the benefit of being on the top. Number two is more easily displaced. That's true across the board, not just in boxing. It's the way of the world, kid. Best fighter in the world yes, Opposition? Disagree why? Too much cherrypicking and fighting NAME fighters on the way down, shot or done.. When his the last time he fought a fighter coming off an impressive win? When is the last time Pac fought anyone who is perceive a genuine threat? What has Pac done lately? Well Martinez has done all of those things in his last 4 fights..So i definitely have him over anyone at the moment, Pac use to be like that but now nah?

it's clear that martinez is fighting at a high level and that he belongs in the top 5, but he ain't on pac or wifebeate's level yet

not one pactard has offered a valid p4p argument they offer an atg argument which martinez could never win we all know that. but p4p pac is fighting once great opposition on the decline or nobodies. martinez is fighting tough opposition the undisputed middle weight champ, former p4per paul williams who he dispatched handily, then a man who is arguably the best 154lber. and hes fighting these top tier opponents and beating them better pac has against declining has beens. Realistically, who's left at 147 that isn't damaged goods or completely unproven? I'm not going to argue Pacquiao's pound for pound status. That's a culmination of every fight and division he's been in since he blitzed Barrera, and his run was impressive (Morales I aside, and even that was a war, not exactly a complete shut out). There's no fighter that everyone would unanimously praise Pacquiao for fighting except Mayweather. Welter is a mess, and 140 is starting to thin out, too. We have Khan and Bradley as the only two left who haven't recently shown themselves to be limited recently, and they're on a collision course. The only fight left for Pacquiao is Mayweather or the Khan/Bradley winner. He shouldn't go any higher.

Yeah I agree,add them to the equation & we're really left wondering how Floyd & Pacman are still 1 & 2,that's just retarded. From a retarded point of view coming from you lol.

Pacquiao should be demoted simply for fighting Mosley next, his last 3 fights are a disgrace! At least Martinez just proved that he could dominate a "skilled" undefeated boxer with a difficult style.

Uh. Where did Williams lose his prime between the two Martinez fights? Did it jump out of the ring with Cintron? I'm just sarcastic. They both lose to each other so its even.

The man is fighting legitimate contenders. He has fought his toughest challengers wheras the guys at the top of the P4P tree have been cherry picking. They have got lazy. Sergio's star has been rising whilst Pac/May have been lowering the bar. Sergio has been working hard and pulling off convincing wins against top competition. May, Pac, Cotto, Margarito, Marquez, Hopkins...those guys have not been doing that. Notice how no-one is mentioning Canelo? Because everyone knows the boy would get smashed. How about Angulo next followed by Marg-cotto winner? Martinez is supposed to be the middleweight champ, yet he is only calling out welterweights. How about fight a middleweight for a change

He didn't become #2 P4P after beating Pavlik. Quit lying. He got ranked in the top 10 after the Pavlik win(since he was the first person to EVER beat Pavlik at 160) and the Williams KO propelled him to top 5...Know with the KO of Dizzy he is easily top 3 and some argue #1. Nothing wrong with that. and LMAO @ you saying Paul Williams at 28 was past prime..wtf?? Too bad you didn't get the sarcasm about Martinez being the p4p#2 beating Pavlik. Martinez has the right to be a p4p#3 at least but those arguing for P4P#1 without him being at #3 then #2 first. LOL!

Prime young Williams beat Sergio first. Sergio beat past his prime Williams in their second fight. So its kinda even now and not worth mentioning. Big name fighters they fought prime or past his prime. Martinez - Cintron, Williams, Pavlik, Dzinziruk Pacquiao - Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, JMM, Morales, Diaz, Hatton, Oscar, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and now Mosley. Uh. Where did Williams lose his prime between the two Martinez fights? Did it jump out of the ring with Cintron?

not one pactard has offered a valid p4p argument they offer an atg argument which martinez could never win we all know that. but p4p pac is fighting once great opposition on the decline or nobodies. martinez is fighting tough opposition the undisputed middle weight champ, former p4per paul williams who he dispatched handily, then a man who is arguably the best 154lber. and hes fighting these top tier opponents and beating them better pac has against declining has beens.

He is no.1 at middleweight but P4P#1? Logic says to be reach at the top you must start at the bottom first. When did Martinez became p4p#4 after he beat Cintron? NO! became p4p#2 after beating one good fighter Pavlik and now p4p#1 after Dzinziruk? OMG! He didn't become #2 P4P after beating Pavlik. Quit lying. He got ranked in the top 10 after the Pavlik win(since he was the first person to EVER beat Pavlik at 160) and the Williams KO propelled him to top 5...Know with the KO of Dizzy he is easily top 3 and some argue #1. Nothing wrong with that. and LMAO @ you saying Paul Williams at 28 was past prime..wtf??

He beat Williams who was ranked I believe 5 by the Ring. What has Manny done in the last 3 years? Beat Clottey, Margarito, and a shot Miguel. When he faced a guy with a top p4p ranking he struggled and arguably lost to JMM. Manny hasn't done anything that great as of late. He's blown out good fighters but not great fighters. Not to mention that Martinez would blow Manny out of the water if they fought. They both can make 154 but you wouldn't see Manny even think about this fight. How can you be the best if theres a guy in your same division that you aren't willing to fight?Prime young Williams beat Sergio first. Sergio beat past his prime Williams in their second fight. So its kinda even now and not worth mentioning. Big name fighters they fought prime or past his prime. Martinez - Cintron, Williams, Pavlik, Dzinziruk Pacquiao - Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, JMM, Morales, Diaz, Hatton, Oscar, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and now Mosley.

Yes you do! Why are you posting trying to convince people who critise Pac along with Mayweather? If you dont give two shiit then you wouldnt post anything which you're trying to justify why no one should put Martinez over Pac.. Fact is you do give a shiit Why? Because people are now talking about someone else who isnt Pac or Mayweather and they're begining to see those two for what they are Cherrypickers...Deal with it. Maybe you missed the part where I said Martinez can easily be rated number one. Not in my opinion, true, but I can understand why he would be, and I have no problem with that. He's a tremendous fighter. He's certainly above Floyd, on activity and opposition, but Pacquiao is still very active and still toying with weight advancement and looking dominant. Whether or not you agree with his opposition, he hasn't done anything short of demolish who they put in front of him. He doesn't lose his number one status until he turns out a **** performance or loses. That's the benefit of being on the top. Number two is more easily displaced. That's true across the board, not just in boxing. It's the way of the world, kid.

He beat Williams who was ranked I believe 5 by the Ring. What has Manny done in the last 3 years? Beat Clottey, Margarito, and a shot Miguel. When he faced a guy with a top p4p ranking he struggled and arguably lost to JMM. Manny hasn't done anything that great as of late. He's blown out good fighters but not great fighters. Not to mention that Martinez would blow Manny out of the water if they fought. They both can make 154 but you wouldn't see Manny even think about this fight. How can you be the best if theres a guy in your same division that you aren't willing to fight? Yes JMM is better than Sergio as well. Sergio hits harder though and a harder chin.

Problem is it was only Barrera you posted as the "great" WW opposition Pacman has faced. So you'll need to redefine that. Old man De La Hoya, Hatton and now ole man Mosely. What a record, the only decent WW opposition Pac's had is Hatton coming off a loss to Mayweather.WTF! I didn't mentioned any welterweights for Martinez comparison the comparable weight division they were before and Barrera was a featherweight in year 2003 for christ's sake!

There isn't? Hes been more impressive and has faced better talent in recent years than Pacquaio or Floyd. Sergio can get to 154, the same weight class that Pacquaio received a fake belt in. Strap em up and watch Manny get knocked out just like anyone out there when they fight Martinez. You are delusional if you think Manny would beat Sergio, straight up real talk. Floyd would have a better chance due to defense and movement but he would probably get wiped clean too. Sergio IS the BEST fighter in the world. Stop crying Pac showed the world how you are supposed to deal with the margaritos of this world if you are the best fighter in the world. Sergio gets credit for what people THINK he could do to Margarito now, whereas Pac will get credit for what he ACTUALLY DOES.

To me he is the number 1 fighter for many reasons. First off his level of competition has been much more impressive than either Manny or Floyd. He also has beat his opponents in better fashion either way. Secondly, P4P to me is who is best at the time, not who transfers well to as many weights. Manny is in Sergios radar weight class and I wouldn't give Manny a shot against Martinez. If you're in the same area code as another fighter in weight and you aren't able to beat that guy I can't rank you higher than the guy that is clearly better. This is why I rank Martinez over Floyd or Manny. He is no.1 at middleweight but P4P#1? Logic says to be reach at the top you must start at the bottom first. When did Martinez became p4p#4 after he beat Cintron? NO! became p4p#2 after beating one good fighter Pavlik and now p4p#1 after Dzinziruk? OMG!

To me he is the number 1 fighter for many reasons. First off his level of competition has been much more impressive than either Manny or Floyd. He also has beat his opponents in better fashion either way. Secondly, P4P to me is who is best at the time, not who transfers well to as many weights. Manny is in Sergios radar weight class and I wouldn't give Manny a shot against Martinez. If you're in the same area code as another fighter in weight and you aren't able to beat that guy I can't rank you higher than the guy that is clearly better. This is why I rank Martinez over Floyd or Manny. There is not one human being on the planet who genuienly thinks Sergio is the best fighter on the planet.

This is not even debatable Martinez is and should be #1P4P. Reasons below. Ducking- Mayweather my favorite fighter but everyone says he ducks. Pacquaio ducks Yuri Foreman, Mosley, Berto, Soto, Guzman, Bradley and the rest of the good competition at 140. Look at his past five opponents only Marquez was a credible fight with no catch weights or guy coming off an impressive win. Martinez has continued to take on the best competition and look good against fighters that nobody else wanted to fight. Reason he was fighter of the year last year and will be again this year. My new P4P #1.

I'm not saying he IS number one, but I think the noise you hear shows that he has a case for being there. Its between him and Pac but lying about Barrera being a prime WW when he fought Pacquiao isn't helping your case. I didn't lie. Everybody knows I made a mistake there except you. Its means you did not even know who Barrera is and what weight division he was in year 2003.