Has Haye more chances vs Wladimir than Adamek has vs Vitali?

Wlad has a glass chin, Vitali does not. Plus the size difference better Haye and Wlad isn't as big as it is between Vitali and Adamek.

What happens when Haye lands a bomb on Wlad's chin and he ****s himself? Just asking?

Since last night's fight was too short to guage anything my opinion more or less stays the same. Adamek has a shot at beating Vitali, but it's a slim one and will depend on him pulling off a near perfect gameplan and possibly having to adjust in the mid rounds. He has the speed advantage, the timing and the footwork to get shots in on Vitali, but he'll need to be on his bike a lot in this fight and not do anything sloppy for nigh on twelve rounds, and that's a big ask for anybody. Realistically, he gets stalked down and knocked out. Haye's chances are solely reliant on landing a perfect shot. He won't outbox Wlad, he won't outwork him, and if the fight goes past four rounds he'll be a sitting duck. Stylistically, physically, everything is against him. And whilst the prospect of his stopping Wlad is a more realistic possibility than Adamek stopping Vitali his actual chances of winning are lower, if that makes sense.

Has has a real shot at either brother, Adamek loses emphatically to both AND Haye. End of Other than Haye there was Solis and thats it. Solis looked good, had the right idea and was causing problems but then he got tagged funny and his knee quit on him, tough shiit i guess. Its down to Haye now

There are way too many variables to definitively say rounds per KO=fist power. Yes the term "fist" is too limited as is the term "chin". But as a simple catchword it's OK.

There are way too many variables to definitively say rounds per KO=fist power. Chin, speed, reach, heart, skill level, quality of opponent all have an affect on how and when a boxer uses their power. What if the fighter with the greatest "fist power", lacked the skill to get shots off properly? What if the fighter with the greatest power fought in a hostile era, where its safer to box than go for the finish? What if you actually killed a man the first time you let loose with your power? How would an event like that affect the rest of your fights?

Exactly. That's why I compared their WHOLE careers (which resulted in Vit's KOratio being slightly higher) That's what I've been saying all along. I agree that KO's early in their career doesn't really matter, but it was you who brought it up and said something like "More people has lasted against Vitali".

Yes, you did. Two fighter's KO% is compared based upon their entire careers. Not 27 fights, not 43 fights or whatever. All their fights. Exactly. That's why I compared their WHOLE careers (which resulted in Vit's KOratio being slightly higher) and I compared Vit's WHOLE career (43 fights) to Wlad's first 43 fights (which resulted in Wlad's KOratio being slightly higher). Moreover I compared different KOratios KOs/fights (Vit leads) KOs/uniques (Wlad leads) and the KOspeed ("average round between KOs") (Wlad is slightly better). While you merely checked Boxrec which ridiculously even includes NCs in the calculation. And the end result is that both Klitschkos have approximately the same KOperformance and the differences are marginal. Thus I would not use the KOratio as an advantage for Vitali (nor for Wlad) because they performed careerwise nearly the same. When you compare the last 5 fights (or the last 10) then Wlad has performed better and such RECENT KOperformance is more meaningful than "career KOratio which includes KOs 13+ years ago.

I didn't twist any facts. Yes, you did. Two fighter's KO% is compared based upon their entire careers. Not 27 fights, not 43 fights or whatever. All their fights.

Vitali has ~88,5%, Wladimir ~84,5% - that's a fairly big difference. 1) It's not a big difference. 2) You include WDQs and accidental headbutt fights which drop the KOratio although it's not the fighters fault. After for example 27 fights Vitali had a higher KO%!!!!!!!!!! After 27 fights? Why 27 fights? What is this arbitrary number? You can twist the facts however you want to, doesn't change the fact that Vitali has a higher KO%. I didn't twist any facts. It's obvious that someone with 1 KO in 1 fight has a 100% KOratio and the more fights you have the lower your KOratio will be. And Vitali has now 43 fights and Wlad 58 has now fights thus it's NATURAL to have a lower KOratio. But when you compare Wlad's first 43 fights to Vitali's then Wlad has a higher KOratio. HOWEVER, their KOratios differ only marginally thus the differences are not significant.

1) Barely 2) Wlad has a higher unique KOratio (= how many of your opponents did you KO) 3) Wlad has more fights thus naturally his KOratio will be lower. Vitali has now 43 fights and Wlad in his first 43 fights had a higher KOratio than Vitali. Vitali has ~88,5%, Wladimir ~84,5% - that's a fairly big difference. After for example 27 fights Vitali had a higher KO%!!!!!!!!!! You can twist the facts however you want to, doesn't change the fact that Vitali has a higher KO%. Let me try and twist them a little more for you: Yo, bro! Only a fighters last three fights count yo! Vitali 33,3% and Wlad 100%!!111one

Vitali has a higher KO%. 1) Barely 2) Wlad has a higher unique KOratio (= how many of your opponents did you KO) 3) Wlad has more fights thus naturally his KOratio will be lower. Vitali has now 43 fights and Wlad in his first 43 fights had a higher KOratio than Vitali. 4) "Rounds between KOs" is a better indicator of "fist power" than KOratio. And Wlad is more powerful (= needs less rounds) than Vitali.

More people survived against Vitali than against Wlad. Vitali has a higher KO%.

Vitali/Adamek - 92/8 Wlad/Haye - 57/43

Adamek cannot KO Vitali, and Haye cannot out box the skillful Wlad for a decision. Couldn't have said it better myself. Adamek is an inflated cruiserweight going against a man who is just too big for him, it's too tall of a mountain for him to climb. The power isn't there for Adamek, and even if his speed is there, Vitali has an iron chin to go with his Dr. Iron Fist. Can Adamek take the kind of punishment that will inevitably deal to him either? His best chance it making Vitali miss and using his speed to out-point Vitali, that is if he can take what does land. Wladimir I am a little worried about. I think Haye's chances are better than some of us would like to admit, me first and foremost. It is important that we never forget that Wladimir does not have the chin his brother does. He has been floored more than enough to make you just a little bit nervous here, that he will run into a big punch from Haye and that will turn the fight around in favor of Haye. Corrie Sanders anyone? Lamon Brewster? Samuel Peter? Maybe I am just being paranoid but this is boxing and anything can happen. Nonetheless a betting man has to think that Haye is still outmatched, his chances may be better than Adameks, but both fighers seem to have pretty bleak odds of victory over either Klitschko.

More people survived against Vitali than against Wlad. What does that mean? Surviving doesn't always mean you have more chances at winning.

I think it's pretty obvious that Adamek would stand less of a chance against either Klitschko compared to Haye More people survived against Vitali than against Wlad.

I think it's pretty obvious that Adamek would stand less of a chance against either Klitschko compared to Haye, I don't think Adamek's style of getting in and out against opponents will work against the Klitschko, especially since he's pretty straight up on the way in which leaves him open the Klitschkos jabs. Plus, Adamek's main advantage so far in the division has been his speed, he's not quicker than Wlad and he might just be a little quicker than Vitali, not enough to make up for the difference in size and skill.

0% and 0%. equal. Come on, at heavyweight the chance is never 0%.

Haye has a better chance against either brother than Adamek. I dont give Adamek much of a shot.