Would Ortiz have been more sucessful if he stayed with Top Rank?

They were trying to use Maidana as a stepping stone...LMAO

Arum probably would have cherry picked Ortiz's opponents early on, but he would have ran into Maidana or fighter like him to test his heart and durability at some point. He'd probably still be on the way up now and people wouldn't be writing off Ortiz so soon since Arum likes to protect his younger fighters and bring up them slowly. If he was with Arum now, haters would call him another overrated, protected Top Rank hype job (like Chavez Jr., Juanma, Donaire, Gamboa, etc.) as opposed to exposed hype job with no heart. If Ortiz stayed with Arum, Rios probably would have been the guy to make his name off Ortiz and not Maidana. His career ain't over, and Ortiz can still turn things around, but he's fighting an uphill battle that only got harder since the Peterson fight.

He may have had more longevity if they brought him up slower, but he would have failed when he moved up in class no matter who promoted him.

It was match-making mistake. They thought Maidana couldn't beat Kotelnik, so Ortiz can easily KO him. They threw Ortiz to the lion and he got beat up like a dog, quit like a pussy. There is a huge difference between all the bums Ortiz was KOing and Maidana, who refuses to be KOed. In Victor's logic Maidana wasn't supposed to wake up after the KDs.

why??? they matchd him against an opponent he was better than and he gave up. thats on him. not on golden boy. that was his fight to win.

Doesn't matter what promotional company he's under, the guy is ultra talented but he's weak minded, and that's all there is to it.

Many of you forget that when Ortiz fought Maidana that Micheal Jackson had just died 2 days earlier. This would have mentally affected Ortiz as he was such a big fan, even playing his music as his entrance theme song. this is so irrelevant!

Many of you forget that when Ortiz fought Maidana that Micheal Jackson had just died 2 days earlier. This would have mentally affected Ortiz as he was such a big fan, even playing his music as his entrance theme song.

once a quitter always a quitter... ortiz would lose even with top rank. i dont think he will ever quit like that again. hes probably gotten lots of criticism and doesnt want to be know as a quitter anymore.:boxing:

once a quitter always a quitter... ortiz would lose even with top rank.

The match making against Maidana was poorly planned. Golden Boy under estimated Maidana, dismissing him as hype and coming off a loss to Kotelnik. Putting a young star against a monster like Maidana would destroy any fighter's heart. It was a mistake from the beginning.

what did Golden Boy had to do with Ortiz having lack of heart of a champion ?

no he'd be more successful if he didnt quit against maidiana and give that fukked up post fight speech