Why would a great fighter need to beat fighters coming off loses and use catchweights

Dude are you really this naïve? Sergio Martinez is one of my favorite fighters, in fact he's the current number 1 pound for pound fighter in my eyes. I would favor Sergio to beat Floyd. Why didn't Pacquiao want to fight Mosley after he trashed Margarito? Why was Pac so anxious to fight Mosley coming off 2 terrible performances? Do you think Pacquiao would've fought Cotto after his win over Shane Mosley? Do you think Pac would've fought Margarito after his KO of Miguel Cotto? I highly doubt it. If you can't see that Manny is a cherry picker you're hopeless. maybe ask your "boy" Floyd to stop his shenanigans & instead fight Pacquiao the same way he fought his last 40 fights so we could have all boxing fan's wet dreams & not this carnival horsesh*t we've been enduring since November last year

Why would a great fighter need to bring fighters up 2 weight classes and still not even bother to make the agreed catchweight.

Dude are you really this naïve? Sergio Martinez is one of my favorite fighters, in fact he's the current number 1 pound for pound fighter in my eyes. I would favor Sergio to beat Floyd. Why didn't Pacquiao want to fight Mosley after he trashed Margarito? Why was Pac so anxious to fight Mosley coming off 2 terrible performances? Do you think Pacquiao would've fought Cotto after his win over Shane Mosley? Do you think Pac would've fought Margarito after his KO of Miguel Cotto? I highly doubt it. If you can't see that Manny is a cherry picker you're hopeless. You are so simple and naive its unbelieveable. How long ago was it when Margrito beat Cotto? Pac had the JMM and other smaller dudes to fight and beat during this time, so why would you expect Pac to chase margarito? He can only fight these guys when he moves up in weight which he has done now. Same for Pac being expected to fight Cotto, when he hadnt even faced Hatton yet! Pac was a 130lb fighter when Cotto was beating SSM, so stop trying to critique the biggest name the sport of boxing has got. Stop complaing about catchweights when Cotto hasnt even used that excuse. And if he did do, nobody would believe him anyway. If cotto said the 2lbs was the reason he lost, people would reply oh quit making excuses coto, pac would have beaten you anytime any place anywhere.

Nope, the difference between me and pactards is that I'm no nut hugging fan boy. I can and will criticize Floyd, can you say the same for Pactards? I don't think Floyd is the GOAT, and I know he's been guilty of cherry picking too. It's funny how you guys think I'm a fan boy just because I call Pac out for his BS, well guess what I do the same for Floyd. For example, my biggest beef with Floyd is that he didn't fight a young and undefeated Miguel Cotto, unlike many posters here I have no desire to see a Mayweather Cotto match these days, I feel that Cotto is a shell of his former self. If Floyd decided to fight Cotto now best believe I would criticize him. So what's the point of creating a diss thread like this when this topic has been brought up too many times already? In almost every PacHate thread that exist since Pac reached the top, this topic is brought up all the time to degrade him. Why create a new thread about it? To stir his fans up and try to debate a redundant topic that you will never win at?

Btw, since so many of you like to bring up Floyd let's look at what Floyd's last 5 opponents did in their fights prior to fighting Floyd: Baldomir- defeated Zab Judah, was the lineal WW champion, De La Hoya- KO Ricardo Mayorga, the WBC SWW champion, Hatton-4 round KO of Luis Castillo via body shot, undefeated and held a belt at WW, Marquez- terrible fight, Floyd cheated Marquez and should be called out for it, but Marquez was coming off a KO's of Joel Cassamayor and Juan Diaz, Mosley- brutally KO Margarito, was the number 1 ranked WW in the world and number 3 pound for pound fighter in the world. For all of you crying about what I have to say, why don't you just stop crying or stop reading and posting in my threads? Nobody is forcing you to read my opinions, so if you don't like it kick rocks and take your whining ass elsewhere. God bless! That is the way you criticize Floyd and Manny? For Floyd, its OK who he fights as long as the guy won in his last fight? Even though you said what you said about Floyd picking Marquez you then went onto defending Floyd by saying this: - BUT Marquez beat Cassamayor. - But Marquez beat Diaz. So what!!! Baldomir defeated Judah: - But Floyd still fought Judah. Right? How come? - Who did Baldomir really beat that was a good WW? - Baldomir had a golden egg and took advantage of it. Floyd did too when he faced slow-mo-No-Name- Baldomir!!! Oscar beat Mayorga: - fought 1 full year before the Floyd fight. - Mayorga had already been KOed by Trinidad. - But what did Oscar do before that win? He lost 2 of 3 and the one he won was controversial as people thought he lost. - Oscar's most meaninful win prior to that was 2002 against Vargas. - Oscar's trainer said, Oscar couldn't pull the trigger anymore (in Floyd's fight) Hatton you said beat that version of Castillo at 140 and that is your defense? - Hatton fought once at 147 and then went back down. - Hatton was a career 140 fighter NOT 147.... but Floyd fought Hatton at 147. Mosley you said beat brickless Margarito - What year was that? - Even Floyd said he needed a tuneup fight after his inactivity. So you think Mosley didn't require that when he fought Floyd? - Mosley was #1 because of what he did on January 2009. Not for anything he did in 2010, let alone May 2010. - Mosley was already way past his prime and almost 39. He had problems against Mayorga and before that lost to Cotto. - FLOYD SAID PRIOR TO THE FIGHT: My game plan will take into consideration that Mosley is OLD!!!! Its funny that you guys bring up that Manny ducked Mosley (which is incorrect as he fought Cotto who beat Mosley) but you avoid that Floyd ducked Margarito to fight Baldomir. Floyd was even caught recently saying, "I knew that there was something suspicious about Margarito and that is why I didn't fight him" .... not exact words but along those lines.

Btw, since so many of you like to bring up Floyd let's look at what Floyd's last 5 opponents did in their fights prior to fighting Floyd: Baldomir- defeated Zab Judah, was the lineal WW champion, De La Hoya- KO Ricardo Mayorga, the WBC SWW champion, Hatton-4 round KO of Luis Castillo via body shot, undefeated and held a belt at WW, Marquez- terrible fight, Floyd cheated Marquez and should be called out for it, but Marquez was coming off a KO's of Joel Cassamayor and Juan Diaz, Mosley- brutally KO Margarito, was the number 1 ranked WW in the world and number 3 pound for pound fighter in the world. For all of you crying about what I have to say, why don't you just stop crying or stop reading and posting in my threads? Nobody is forcing you to read my opinions, so if you don't like it kick rocks and take your whining ass elsewhere. God bless!

No, you are the one that's hilarious trying to be all righteaous but at the same time starting this shietty thread. You look down on "Pactards" for their so-called obsessive behavior, yet you post a thread like this hating on him in a indirect manner. You're as bad as "Pactards". Nope, the difference between me and pactards is that I'm no nut hugging fan boy. I can and will criticize Floyd, can you say the same for Pactards? I don't think Floyd is the GOAT, and I know he's been guilty of cherry picking too. It's funny how you guys think I'm a fan boy just because I call Pac out for his BS, well guess what I do the same for Floyd. For example, my biggest beef with Floyd is that he didn't fight a young and undefeated Miguel Cotto, unlike many posters here I have no desire to see a Mayweather Cotto match these days, I feel that Cotto is a shell of his former self. If Floyd decided to fight Cotto now best believe I would criticize him.

You just dont like a non african american dominating the sport of boxing more like it. You saying Pac is careful when he chooses his opponents? This dont make sense again. That is like saying Floyd is very, very careful when he chose DLH as well. He waited until SSM beat him and a few others. He waited until SSM had 5 losses and was old, but wouldnt dare touch him before that. And again only reluctantly fought SSM when forced to by the public and SSM himself. He waited until Hatton was nearly knocked out at 147 by Collazo before plucking up the courage to fight Hatton. And only on the condition that the referee would look out for hattons dirty tactics so he could miss floyds elbows. Its a vicious circle. People think they can control how much reverence Pac is allowed to have will backfire on you all. Dude are you really this naïve? Sergio Martinez is one of my favorite fighters, in fact he's the current number 1 pound for pound fighter in my eyes. I would favor Sergio to beat Floyd. Why didn't Pacquiao want to fight Mosley after he trashed Margarito? Why was Pac so anxious to fight Mosley coming off 2 terrible performances? Do you think Pacquiao would've fought Cotto after his win over Shane Mosley? Do you think Pac would've fought Margarito after his KO of Miguel Cotto? I highly doubt it. If you can't see that Manny is a cherry picker you're hopeless.

Why would a great fighter: -retire to avoid fighting Cotto, Williams, and Margarito. -fight opponents that as to jump up weight divisions. -fight opponents who are also leftovers. Baldomir, Gatti, Judah, Dela Hoya, JMM, and Mosley all have defeats before fighting Floyd. So they are left overs also. -why would he insist on an OST against a P4P opponent when he didn't ask before on his past P4P opponents. -why did he go on vacation or retirement again.

What's the need for all the advantages? Hmm... ask arum...whoever brings money on the table will have a shot with manny... that's the incentive for being great top fighter. secondly, if you're with arum's stable in case a potential "money fighter" punks-out. some people still don't get it...professional boxing is an entertainment business..

What's the need for all the advantages? Hmm... Pac moved up 2 divisions above after just one fight at 135 and fought Oscar at 147. Pac moved down from 147 after the Oscar fight and fought Hatton at his best weight 140. Pac from 140 after the Hatton fight moved up and meet Cotto at 145. Cotto last fight he weighed in 146 and he has more than 5 months to lose those 1 lb safely. Cotto didn't made excuses about the 1 lb extra he has to lose but the these frucking thick face flomos did while the Cotto fans did the complete opposite given Pac the credit he truly deserved! Margarito fought all his life at 147 and his fight at 150 against Pac gave him extra 3 lbs than what he used to be. These frucking flomos a complete moron forgot about the fact..Pac outweighed 17 lbs by Margo. You see if you are not blind flomo. Pac all his catchweight fights he moved up in weight as well. Not like Floyd catchweight fight against JMM and worst than catchweight fight against Hatton where they forced both to move up in his own division 147! Not let see about Floyd. Floyd forced 140 Hatton to move up in his division (147). Its not a catchweight but far worst than a catchweight fight. At least Cotto and Oscar, a man of courage meet Pac at middle while Floyd sucks by not giving a fair fight to smaller men. How about JMM? The same tactic he used to Hatton but much worst! He tricked JMM and forced to move up 2 division above and promised, signed the contract stating he will meet him at 144. But guess WHAT? Floyd frucking liar, cheated JMM by coming overweight and full welterweight! So which one is worst Footwork?:la::cool2:

Again, the absence of brain cells is apparent in the relatively small PBF following. It appears that DLH, Hatton, Cotto, and Margs all came off losses before fighting Pacquiao.

If Manny Pacquiao isn't a great fighter then we need a new definition.

i'm not defending it ,but just off the top of my head, he's coming up in weight so the old adage is implied, a great smaller fighter vs a good big fighter, usually the smaller fighter no matter how great will lose due to size, i'm not sure if that is the case, but the fight is won in the negotiations. all the guys that SIGNED to fight pacquiao knew exactly what they were getting into, the catch weights were no surprise, so if they SIGN the contract, then the fight is what it is contracted, there should be no complaints, all was disclosed.... and the other being, all the guys he's fought have been names, and sad to say boxing is more about appearance than it is about substance these days.......... money, money, money, marketing, and deception to make the money through the marketing......... you no like, don't buy........... Very good reply. Can I get a golf clap?

Fuk you for making sense. Green K. Thanks but i made a typing mistake, i wonder if you know where it was? It should have said "Pac critics thinking they CAN criticise the biggest name the sport of boxing has got" I accidently said CANT. So probably confused people.

What's the need for all the advantages? Hmm... i'm not defending it ,but just off the top of my head, he's coming up in weight so the old adage is implied, a great smaller fighter vs a good big fighter, usually the smaller fighter no matter how great will lose due to size, i'm not sure if that is the case, but the fight is won in the negotiations. all the guys that SIGNED to fight pacquiao knew exactly what they were getting into, the catch weights were no surprise, so if they SIGN the contract, then the fight is what it is contracted, there should be no complaints, all was disclosed.... and the other being, all the guys he's fought have been names, and sad to say boxing is more about appearance than it is about substance these days.......... money, money, money, marketing, and deception to make the money through the marketing......... you no like, don't buy...........

Fuk you for making sense. Green K. These Pac critcics do the sport a disservice, thinking they cant downgrade the biggest name the sport has got. Talk about scaring away the future stars of boxing away from the game. Someone as succesful as pac being ****ted on for no apparant reason, or logical reason. Pac supposedly chooses carefully when he fights people? So what is floyd doing then when he sits on the sidelines waiting for everyone beating each other up before he decides to have a bit himself? Thats what floyd is famous for isnt it. Sitting on the sidelines observing and then choosing carefully. He certainly dont intentionally choose the most dangerous opponent because otherwise how come he hasnt fought the cottos, margaritos let alone the sergios or Pacs of this world. Unles you think Cotto could beat Pac at 147 let it go the catchweight argument, because u r just making excuses otherwise. Those 2 extra pounds didnt help clottey thats for sure so dont keep kidding yourself let alone others.

You Pac minions are hilarious, Floyd's issh stinks too, but you pactards are ridiculous with you're double standards. Btw, all of Floyd's last 5 opponents came off impressive wins, and yes the way Floyd played Marquez with the weight was bush league. No, you are the one that's hilarious trying to be all righteaous but at the same time starting this shietty thread. You look down on "Pactards" for their so-called obsessive behavior, yet you post a thread like this hating on him in a indirect manner. You're as bad as "Pactards".

These Pac critcics do the sport a disservice, thinking they can downgrade the biggest name the sport has got. Talk about scaring away the future stars of boxing away from the game. Someone as succesful as pac being ****ted on for no apparant reason, or logical reason. Pac supposedly chooses carefully when he fights people? So what is floyd doing then when he sits on the sidelines waiting for everyone beating each other up before he decides to have a bit himself? Thats what floyd is famous for isnt it. Sitting on the sidelines observing and then choosing carefully. He certainly dont intentionally choose the most dangerous opponent because otherwise how come he hasnt fought the cottos, margaritos let alone the sergios or Pacs of this world. Unles you think Cotto could beat Pac at 147 let it go the catchweight argument, because u r just making excuses otherwise. Those 2 extra pounds didnt help clottey thats for sure so dont keep kidding yourself let alone others.

Lets get this straight now. Some people act like Pacquiao is the first great fighter to do this. Plus no one is forcing these opponents to agree to the catchweight. They can walk away and say no. But if they agree to it then so be it. If the fighters who take the fight don't complain then why should the fans complain?