There's fighters that did that and still got beat? What about shoulder rolling his punches?
That's absolutely true, and props to Floyd for it. I'll make it clear I'm a fan.
Fighter's have definitely tried the same OVERALL approach before and failed, but it's still the right overall approach. It's the only approach that gives you a chance in hell, unless maybe you are Pacquiao...
I wouldn't suggest trying to roll the kind of shots Floyd throws, when he jabs that spear through you it can't really be rolled. Most of the time a shot is rolled when it comes from too far or too far close, floyd will be in perfect lower body position and lower his head down and to the left as he lands the right, even if you rolled it, his head isn't up in the air after he lets his hands go so what the hell can you counter? maybe you could roll and counter to the body, but not the head
i know thats a little hard to follow but we're starting to talk exchange-by-exchange technical ****
Honestly Marquez had a great approach, a great mentality going in but he didn't have the fire and he's too small. He knew it himself, he got in there and knew what would work, but he knew it would lead to him reaching, over extending himself and then really getting cracked. he lacked the physical ability, but maybe in 30 years or so Marquez will be training some kid down in mexico and teach him the tricks he picked up from old floyd mayweather.
I hate to go back to some mid 2000s **** on you, but if cotto would've got in there with floyd right after mosley....
the only strategy that will work is a simple one.
whatever you do, don't get emotional. be pretty, move good, cause he doesn't like it when you do that. relax relax relax easy does it and know that when you check that chin you will own his ass
There's fighters that did that and still got beat? What about shoulder rolling his punches?
the only strategy that will work is a simple one.
whatever you do, don't get emotional. be pretty, move good, cause he doesn't like it when you do that. relax relax relax easy does it and know that when you check that chin you will own his ass
Yes, he is talented. However, you don't beat someone by trying to be better them that with their own strengths. You take advantage of their weaknesses using your own strengths.
No but that's not what I'm saying, it's not that simple. fighters are more than just certain combinations of speed and power.
You're right tho, you don't go out there and TRY to be better than them, you go out there and BE better. that's why you train, to BE the better man. you don't just develop some skill set and say, "yeah I'm pretty well rounded but floyd is floyd so he would just kill me." thats being shook, its like floyd read the field of current fighters and developed a style that discourage them all from believing they could win.
I'm not saying I know the guy to do it, but styles are only limited by imagination and there IS a style to beat him, perhaps just not in this lifetime
lol.name one flaw
Lol hes predictable and leaves openings if you wAtch his openings and the opening PAC leaves floyds very easy to hit with a straight left member manny countered Marquez he can do it to floyd to even Floyd over commits every fighter does
Basically its all in the style.... FM is an out-boxer.... a "sniper" a tactical / cerebral player... in the lines of Sugar Ray (Loenard), Roy Jones and Ali. The Pacman is a "puncher"-boxer (not to be confused by a "brawler" like Foreman & Tyson) - much like Sugar Ray Robinson, JC Chavez and Hearns - who wear their opponents down using combinations and then move in to score the knockout. Both however must be well rounded to be effective using this style. From here, it is best to say that FMs resistivity to a deludge of heavy punches - even if covered/blocked, will be the real test. Although he has shown some resistance to "punchers" like JMM he has yet to meet the kind of weighted punch Pac can deliver and in most particular, Pacs unorthodoxed punching and stance methods (which is not a typical blu-print boxing form) that is considered to be the moving factor in his arsenal.
We all know both can withstand 12 gruelling rounds, its a matter of precision and punch weight that is to consider. in this point... pacs numbers is a definite show.
I defined this for a fact that i consider to believe FM like Pac has no serious weakness - flaws maybe but never a weakness - that can only be seen when one compares each others strength, and numbers dont lie...
How can you beat Floyd? You must be a technician(inside/outside) with speed, feints, good jab, defense, countering ability, and power in the both hands. Basically, a complete fighter. People say you cannot out box him, but that is the only way to beat him. Brawlers are predictable. Whatever your strength is, he will most likely take that away. What happened to Judah, Oscar, JMM, and Shane. Do you have a B, C, and D plan? Most fighters today only have a A plan and that is it. Is it impossible to beat Floyd if you are not those things, no, but doubtful. Most of all, you need to be able to out think Floyd. I would bet one red cent on Pac beating Floyd.
He's not unbeatable theirs flaws but it's just think of them when you think about Floyd doesn't just counter punch Alot of his stuff maybe a lead right and left hook but it's mostly him getting off first cause he's fast he really just makes alot of people miss.
lol.name one flaw
no blueprint...
He's not unbeatable theirs flaws but it's just think of them when you think about Floyd doesn't just counter punch Alot of his stuff maybe a lead right and left hook but it's mostly him getting off first cause he's fast he really just makes alot of people miss.
whats floyds biggest opening wheres he vaunerable where can he imporve and where can pac catch him?
im not a pactard i just wanna hear what yall think
no blueprint...
he doesn't try to intimidate you, he gets in your head pre fight, then his style frustrates you till your mentally exhausted
That's what I mean, he can't get to Pac, he owns himself whenever he attempts to make Pac look bad......Pac doesn't do anything but say he'll pray for Floyd.
All other crap aside, Floyd knows he can't intimidate Pac......and that scares Floyd.
he doesn't try to intimidate you, he gets in your head pre fight, then his style frustrates you till your mentally exhausted
Better jab, no one does, better timing, no one does, better counter punching, no one does and better adapting no one does. I don't see why people are stuck on pacs style beating him
Pac or any opponent has to do multiple things well, if you catch him with a good shot he'll shut it down, dont be predictable, dont do the same thing or have the same attack or strategy the whole fight.
So Judahs the blue print?
Not necessarily, but he did things early in the fight that another fighter can use to get the W against him. Let me put it this way, Judah gave you the living room and JLC gave you the kitchen, another fighter's going to have to build on that.
People can believe whatever they want to, I'm just not naive enough to think anyone is unbeatable.
If Floyd switches up his stance to the high guard he uses against southpaws?
A mix of the tactics from the earlier (staying on and moving to his right and countering), but more feinting and volume using quick, body-head combinations.
And when Floyd throws body shots he leaves himself open sometime and can get raged look at cotto Margorito and Anyone else PAC fought
If Floyd switches up his stance to the high guard he uses against southpaws?
A mix of the tactics from the earlier (staying on and moving to his right and countering), but more feinting and volume using quick, body-head combinations.
That might not work pacs got fast feet