better wins....

Pav was the MW Champ and former P4P fighter,his only lost was to B-HOP a legend..I believe it's pretty even.. But there was a fairly clear blueprint to beat him and Martinez didn't even have to make any adjustments to fit that blueprint to a t. That was one of the worst style matchups I've ever seen...Frazier-Foreman springs to mind. It was that bad, although it's a different kind of domination. Pavlik made a go of it, though.

Donaire had the better wins. Williams and Pavlik were great wins for Martinez, but Darchinyan was undefeated while Montiel was on a five year win streak, and both looked very dominant against previous opposition leading up to the Donaire fight. But the fact that there is almost a 4 year gap Donaire's two biggest wins and Martinez is on a streak with those two wins makes me rank Martinez higher p4p at the moment. One more big win perhaps against Moreno or Agbeko/Mares would easily put Donaire higher in my opinion.

Pav was the MW Champ and former P4P fighter,his only lost was to B-HOP a legend..I believe it's pretty even.. yea but pavlik was coming off a loss to bhop prior to lossing to martinez.....he was 2 - 1 in his last fights.....add to the fact that , that lost was'nt compettive either , he got outclassed by an old guy....sh1t , an old roy jones perfromed better vs bhop than pavlik did...

Vic-Montiel. People forget how Vic was KOing everyone on his path till Donaire starched him. Montiel was on a tear too knocking out hasegawa several fights ago.

Pavlik is a B win, Williams an A win. Darchinyan and Montiel are both A wins. Darchinyan was this rampaging monster when Donaire fought him. He had never been beat, never been down and was KTFO'ing everyone. Donaire flipped that script right quick and everyone knows about the Montiel win. And don't discount Sidorenko. Good fighter, past his prime but still a good fighter. And he got absolutely obliterated. i think this is the simpliest way to explain it....

Pavlik is a B win, Williams an A win. Darchinyan and Montiel are both A wins. Darchinyan was this rampaging monster when Donaire fought him. He had never been beat, never been down and was KTFO'ing everyone. Donaire flipped that script right quick and everyone knows about the Montiel win. And don't discount Sidorenko. Good fighter, past his prime but still a good fighter. And he got absolutely obliterated. Pav was the MW Champ and former P4P fighter,his only lost was to B-HOP a legend..I believe it's pretty even..

when nontio fought them darch= was the ibf and ibo champion whos never lost a fight and was running thru everybody, he was the best at 112 montiel= 3 div campiuon has'nt lost in a fight since 2006..never lost in his 13 fights when sergio fought pavlik and pwill pavlik= wbo, wbc lineal, champion , lost 1 out of his last 3 fights.... pwill = i div weight cahmpion , i div interim champion and lost 1 out of his 7 fights....

This is pretty equal giving the time they fought umm,Pav a MW Champ,Pwilly top of the P4P list ranking and rank in three div..Montiel was a very big win..Montiel is a three div Champ a P4P ranked fighter,and a hard nose muthafoker..Chinny was a Raging Bull and I really thought he would be the next big thing..But I'm gonna call this even..

Pavlik is a B win, Williams an A win. Darchinyan and Montiel are both A wins. Darchinyan was this rampaging monster when Donaire fought him. He had never been beat, never been down and was KTFO'ing everyone. Donaire flipped that script right quick and everyone knows about the Montiel win. And don't discount Sidorenko. Good fighter, past his prime but still a good fighter. And he got absolutely obliterated.

I give Martinez the edge due to the fact he did it back to back.

Seems to me like U have a clear biased & hidden agenda here,that's why U put when they fought them in there.But Martinez beat Pavlik & the Punisher back to back,clearly better in that consideration.So being that Martinez beat the lineal middleweight champ & the Punisher in a row,his wins are clearly better. if my agenda was hidden, i would'nt have put " when they fought them" in the options...the purpose of this thraed is transparent as they come....nothing biased about it either.....

thE answer to this question is donaire's wins. But all you dumb asses that are trying to say pwill isn't world class are little faygolas (demon et al). Did you not see Sergio-pwill 1? How the fuk is ghat not elite level boxing? Did you not see margs-pwill? I don't know what your problems are but your biased little bit ches or you just hate any fighter burner likes. To say pwill wasn't or isn't world class is just wrong. i agree..but i think people are saying pwill was overrrated due to the fact some make him out to be the most avoided fighter of the game....it's not really saying, pwill was crap or anyhting like that...i dont think pwill was overrated but i get it when people say he was.....

Sure. Its not all of Manny's fans, just certain guys seem to not really like the guy. Oh absolutely. There are some excellent posters on here that are Manny fan's. Like Walt said, the poor fans of each fan base are as bad as each other.

pavlik-pwill 1- was the linear champ 2-was suppose to be the most feared man in boxing

It's Darchinyan and Montiel for me. And I thought Williams-Martinez I was overrated.

He said bad things about Manny. Why else? The funny thing about it is a few weeks before Martinez also dissed Floyd. And they all said "HAHA, WATCH THE FLOMO'S HATE MARTINEZ NOW!" It's genuinely hilarious. Sure. Its not all of Manny's fans, just certain guys seem to not really like the guy. Saying pwill is overrated is all about perspective. Saying he's not world class is just smearing him. Hey coach, this is the same thing most Floyd maniacs do. Except neither group can see that they're the exact same as eachother. Yea, you are right.

Saying pwill is overrated is all about perspective. Saying he's not world class is just smearing him. Hey coach, this is the same thing most Floyd maniacs do. Except neither group can see that they're the exact same as eachother.

I'm trying to figure out why certain Manny fans can't stand Martinez? He said bad things about Manny. Why else? The funny thing about it is a few weeks before Martinez also dissed Floyd. And they all said "HAHA, WATCH THE FLOMO'S HATE MARTINEZ NOW!" It's genuinely hilarious.

I'm trying to figure out why certain Manny fans can't stand Martinez?

you said he wasn't world class, I think that its obvious he was/is by the first sergio/pwill fight. if that's not a fight between two world class boxers, I must have only seen about 5 world class boxers in the last 24 months. seems to be a lot of people shi tting on sergio round here since the donaire win. When did i shit on serg? Im a huge fan of the guy I think the two wins over montiel and darchinyan were slightly more impressive than the wins over williams and pavlik,taking into account the fashion in which donaire won those fights too Im not going too apologise for thinking williams was overrated,its just my opinion and if you dont like it then thats your problem