Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

If they were living and training in the 70's, they would be entirely different fighters to what they where in the modern era. Even still I think the overall condition of the 70's heavyweights was for sure, greater than the opponents they competed against in the modern era. It is common knowledge that soon as the 2000's came around, Heavyweights started to drop in their overall condition. The standard has gotten so bad, that these days any Heavyweights that turns up in condition is accused of performance enhancing drugs. . The Kiltschko's would not be 240 + pounds in the 70's, if they are going to compete in that era. They have to live and train like the fighters of those times. So they won't be chugging down any sports supplements and training at high tech gymnasiums. I think they would both still be good fighters, and they would cause people problems. Simply because they can box, from Long range. Wladimir Kiltschko may struggle to compete with the pace and endurance of the fighters from the 70's, but Vitali Kiltschko would handle this area much better. Only really old school fighters could travel back in time and be competitive. Fighters like Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson if? You analyse their training techniques, predominately they were living and training still like old school fighters. There training even at their peak mainly consisted of old school methodologies. Others fighters who also can classed as old school fighters are, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Floyd Mayweather Junior. When we talk about these hypothetical match ups, it is only really these type of modern day fighters who have shown evidence that they could fight in any era 'And maintain their form'. Fighters like Canelo Alvarez would not be able to travel back in time and maintain his form. Because his condition and training is heavily reliant on modern training techniques, also one of his greatest tricks is doing big weight cuts 'And exploiting the day before weigh in rule'. Alvarez would have a even more difficult time trying to lose 20 pounds before weigh in and then regaining that weight within hours 'While competing under the same day weigh in rule'. Floyd Mayweather in comparison, a fighter who's training is influenced by old school methodologies 'And he was a fighter who did not weight drain himself'. Mayweather could be transported back to the 1960's and still maintain his form. I have brought all these points up before, and I do find these hypothetical match ups banal. Especially when people don't really take into consideration the landscape and environment of different era's 'Even though these are 100% valid variables to consider'. I rate Wladimir Kiltschko, I think he is a greater Champion than all current active Heavyweights in today's era. Good job doing that crazy stuff followers do of changing stuff to fit your narrative cause you know modern would dominate that goes for every modern you named from 80s- after would dominate 70s which is easy to see The topic is as its said how would these boxers do you slow crazy person so that means nothing you said matters that means dropping them into the era as is

If they were living and training in the 70's, they would be entirely different fighters to what they where in the modern era. Even still I think the overall condition of the 70's heavyweights was for sure, greater than the opponents they competed against in the modern era. It is common knowledge that soon as the 2000's came around, Heavyweights started to drop in their overall condition. The standard has gotten so bad, that these days any Heavyweights that turns up in condition is accused of performance enhancing drugs. . The Kiltschko's would not be 240 + pounds in the 70's, if they are going to compete in that era. They have to live and train like the fighters of those times. So they won't be chugging down any sports supplements and training at high tech gymnasiums. I think they would both still be good fighters, and they would cause people problems. Simply because they can box, from Long range. Wladimir Kiltschko may struggle to compete with the pace and endurance of the fighters from the 70's, but Vitali Kiltschko would handle this area much better. Only really old school fighters could travel back in time and be competitive. Fighters like Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson if? You analyse their training techniques, predominately they were living and training still like old school fighters. There training even at their peak mainly consisted of old school methodologies. Others fighters who also can classed as old school fighters are, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Floyd Mayweather Junior. When we talk about these hypothetical match ups, it is only really these type of modern day fighters who have shown evidence that they could fight in any era 'And maintain their form'. Fighters like Canelo Alvarez would not be able to travel back in time and maintain his form. Because his condition and training is heavily reliant on modern training techniques, also one of his greatest tricks is doing big weight cuts 'And exploiting the day before weigh in rule'. Alvarez would have a even more difficult time trying to lose 20 pounds before weigh in and then regaining that weight within hours 'While competing under the same day weigh in rule'. Floyd Mayweather in comparison, a fighter who's training is influenced by old school methodologies 'And he was a fighter who did not weight drain himself'. Mayweather could be transported back to the 1960's and still maintain his form. I have brought all these points up before, and I do find these hypothetical match ups banal. Especially when people don't really take into consideration the landscape and environment of different era's 'Even though these are 100% valid variables to consider'. I rate Wladimir Kiltschko, I think he is a greater Champion than all current active Heavyweights in today's era. Your crazy

If they were living and training in the 70's, they would be entirely different fighters to what they where in the modern era. Even still I think the overall condition of the 70's heavyweights was for sure, greater than the opponents they competed against in the modern era. It is common knowledge that soon as the 2000's came around, Heavyweights started to drop in their overall condition. The standard has gotten so bad, that these days any Heavyweights that turns up in condition is accused of performance enhancing drugs. . The Kiltschko's would not be 240 + pounds in the 70's, if they are going to compete in that era. They have to live and train like the fighters of those times. So they won't be chugging down any sports supplements and training at high tech gymnasiums. I think they would both still be good fighters, and they would cause people problems. Simply because they can box, from Long range. Wladimir Kiltschko may struggle to compete with the pace and endurance of the fighters from the 70's, but Vitali Kiltschko would handle this area much better. Only really old school fighters could travel back in time and be competitive. Fighters like Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson if? You analyse their training techniques, predominately they were living and training still like old school fighters. There training even at their peak mainly consisted of old school methodologies. Others fighters who also can classed as old school fighters are, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch, Floyd Mayweather Junior. When we talk about these hypothetical match ups, it is only really these type of modern day fighters who have shown evidence that they could fight in any era 'And maintain their form'. Fighters like Canelo Alvarez would not be able to travel back in time and maintain his form. Because his condition and training is heavily reliant on modern training techniques, also one of his greatest tricks is doing big weight cuts 'And exploiting the day before weigh in rule'. Alvarez would have a even more difficult time trying to lose 20 pounds before weigh in and then regaining that weight within hours 'While competing under the same day weigh in rule'. Floyd Mayweather in comparison, a fighter who's training is influenced by old school methodologies 'And he was a fighter who did not weight drain himself'. Mayweather could be transported back to the 1960's and still maintain his form. I have brought all these points up before, and I do find these hypothetical match ups banal. Especially when people don't really take into consideration the landscape and environment of different era's 'Even though these are 100% valid variables to consider'. I rate Wladimir Kiltschko, I think he is a greater Champion than all current active Heavyweights in today's era.

Vitali def wouldve. Wlad not so much.

if they were fighting in the 70's it would be the same era of training and boxing and Vitali hit chris Byrd how many times and he never fell? Chris was the toughest/flashiest mid carder hw its ever been he is a rare example of small hw who could take hard shots from a way bigger person why your using him is odd And no the training wouldn't be the same cause this is matching them how they fought so the klits would have more advanced movements why are you trying to flip the topic to how you want it oh cause you know im right and you know the 70s were less advanced well I already know im right I always am here with you crazy people

Well cause like I said the 70s were outdated you can watch klits era and see they were more advanced like why are you asking stupid questions and did you ever think wlad not that tough cause he was facing more tech fighters who punch with better tech... you people are so slow Like look at earnie wasnt he known for hitting hard back then his tech was trash he hit ali 8 clean times with his best shot and ali never fell its no way ali could take 8 clean shots from these 2 cause their tech is way better and they hit harder if they were fighting in the 70's it would be the same era of training and boxing and Vitali hit chris Byrd how many times and he never fell?

debate, why would they be great in the 70's? Vitali I could see, but Wlad chin is trash Well cause like I said the 70s were outdated you can watch klits era and see they were more advanced like why are you asking stupid questions and did you ever think wlad not that tough cause he was facing more tech fighters who punch with better tech... that doesn't mean he isn't tough it means he is facing people who know how to punch correctly on top of being heavy in weight idiots ike look at earnie wasnt he known for hitting hard back then his tech was trash he hit ali 8 clean times with his best shot and ali never fell its no way ali could take 8 clean shots from these 2 cause their tech is way better and they hit harder Drop wlad in 70s have him take 8 shots like ali he wouldnt fall either he would be looked at as tough wouldnt he of course but as I explained earn tech was trash and he was facing people who wasn't known to be that tough he is overrated his power isn't top 20 by anybody who can see good

That guy is a idiot like you all those 70s were outdated stupid debate, why would they be great in the 70's? Vitali I could see, but Wlad chin is trash

^^^^^^^ this guy is smart That guy is a idiot like you all those 70s were outdated stupid

theyd be top heavy weights but wouldnt run the division like they do now vitali would be more successful.....a match up like wlad versus shavers would be criminal..wlad chin would get shattered ^^^^^^^ this guy is smart

There is separation now from the Klitschko era to 2022...where we still do not have a single definitive heavyweight (Fury was a drug cheat who gave up his belts, AJ v Wilder never happened, Fury v AJ never happened and Fury v Usyk is not happening) so that tells us something. Wlad and Vitali brought stability in terms of who we can regard as top heavyweights so that's something which is missed but when comparing to fighters from the 70s, particularly the best which were Ali, Foreman and Frazier, neither Klit can hold a candle. Vitali of course had a terrific chin while Wlad was the complete opposite. Both guys had limited ability and were aided with their immense size and reach but that wouldnt work against any of the three in their prime. Wlad would probbaly be stopped along the way by likes of Shavers or even Lyle, let alone challenge for a title. Vitali could probably hug and jab his way to a few wins, I think he'd be too big and strong for Frazier but Foremany ends up cutting him and Ali outpoints him. I think Shavers would probably end up with a win too. Neither man is a great in the 70s.

Yes theyd dominate. Great fighters who are that big would dominate in earlier areas.

Only crazy people say they would lose the 70s was full of people way less advanced then these guys they would be undefeated Blogger and die told the truth and crazy followers still trolled saying how klits would lose to outdated fighters crazy people

And fat opponents...If thats how you are judging people, how many 250 pound guys with 6 pack abs did Ali fight? None? OK STFU and get out of here. Frazier and Holmes and The Clay (for many fights) themselves were fat. It's really hard to find a picture with Clay's sixpack somewhere. When you watch 1970s fights it's obvious that Clay's era had no athleticism edge over the current era. Shavers against fighters over 215 lbs who did not have a losing record: 7 wins 8 losses One win was to a 1982 version of Joe Bugner...not sure if that should count, but lets count it anyways 2 were against Henry Clark...who didnt win another fight in his career, completely shot 1 against a guy names Roy Williams 1 against 88 year old ken norton And who could forget his win over the Michigan State Heavyweight Champ Ali Hakiim...who also never won another fight... Clearly size destroyed Shavers...and these are guys over 215... But you are slightly missing the point. Shavers had 90+ fights (that's a lot)... ...But when you check whether he is a genuine KOer or a cherry-picker (like Sonny Liston by the way, whose KOpower is also grossly overrated by good-old-time nostalgists) then the following turns out: If you exclude all opponents who have been KOed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers) it turns out that Shavers KOed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs) of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs) and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs). THAT's Shavers' KO record in a nutshell. Moreover: Shavers' KOratio against sub-200 opponents: 91% (31 of 34) Shavers' KOratio against 200-214 opponents: 81% (27 of 33) Shavers' KOratio against 215+ opponents: 47% (11 of 23) Nowadays Shavers would be nothing but a featherfist. So how the hell do you, with any rationale think Shavers would beat a Klitschko. These arent great big men he was losing to either, eh couldnt handle guys over 215...let alone 250 of muscle. Shavers wouldn't pose a danger nowadays. Wlad fought 20 times against guys who have a better KOratio 215+ than Shavers. Let's also not forget that Shavers has been KOed 7 times.

Not trying to say wald is on roids but why does he look like he's on roids or is he just that buff

Ali was prime in 67...haha why? Because he beat a legitimate cripple in Cleveland Williams, and was coming off of 2 fixed fights with Sonny Liston...Oh I forgot...he beat Ernie Terrell...WHO LOST MORE IN 1967 THAN VITALI HAS IN HIS CAREER. Wow...what a great win...beating a guy who lost 3 times that year...way to go. Oh he truly was the greatest of all time...the way he dispatched of a guy who was shot in the stomach and one who lost 3 times that year. Your whole argument is based on A > B, B>C, C>A, thats nonsense. Did you know Tommy Machine Gunn beat a younger Foreman than the one who won the Lineal title, Tommy Machine Gunn beat Foreman easy, Holyfield struggled with him, so Tommy Gunn would have easily beat Holyfield, Holyfield beat Tyson, so that means Tommy Gunn would have beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes easy, and Holmes massacred Ali...therefore Tommy Gunn would have been the greatest fighter of the 70's. Your argument is ridiculous. Heavyweights who add weight and stay in decent shape, have proven time and time again that they can win fluke fights because their chins tend to actually improve due to the extra weight and brain damage, and their punch tends to be the last thing to fade. The Wepner fight was months apart from Foreman. Foreman is by far Ali's best win. You want to talk about an Ali that was knocked unconcious by 188 pound, a guy who would be a LHW today, Henry Coop Cooperson. A guy who refused to rematch Jones because he was a big time coward. A guy who had to cheat in matches, who caused cuts because his gloves were cut during matches and concealed, gloves with rips in them...CAUSE MORE CUTS. Vitali was hurt early in the fight and continued and it kept getting worse. He dealt with Byrd easily, he was never hurt, didnt have a cut or a mark on him, you do realize how pathetic it is that you defend Ali who was literally knocked unconcious by a 188 pounder, but criticize Vitali for taking some shots in a fight. Wow...You mean Vitali was hit? Guys hit him at times? HE SUCKS. TERRIBLE BOXER. SOMEONE HIT HIM. Haha and I love how you talk about prime. Its funny, all these clowns talking about Ali's prime...but then bring up Chris Byrd...not only did Vitali take the Byrd fight on a weeks notice after prepping for Ruddock...could you find 2 different fighters? But he was 3.5 years into his pro boxing career at the time, and he still only lost what? one round? and wasnt hurt at all other than a shoulder injury from punching byrd in the face? He gave an interview after the fight where he wasnt even breathing heavily. His shoulder hurt and he didnt really understand the magnitude of a loss, he was used to kickboxing where fighters fight all the time and its more of a tourney structure. Trust me...he gets it now. He wasnt upset after the Byrd loss, he was totally stoic, he said simply, "i didnt think I could win the remaining rounds...why continue and risk injury?" We get it, you worship old parkinsoned riddled men. Theres plenty of youtube videos of them and a boxing history section go back and talk about the time when Ali took on Jesus and slayed him or the time when George Foreman punched through the great wall...we get it. bringing up Cooney like he fought anything like Vitali...Cooney was 2 inches shorter, no where near the same shape, nowhere close to the same style and the COONEY FOREMAN BEAT WAS RETIRED FOR 3 YEARS, IN HIS LAST FIGHT OF HIS CAREER, HAD NOT WON IN 4 YEARS, HAD FOUGHT 6 TIMES IN 10 YEARS. Get out of here with that ****. What the hell are you tlaking about. An old George Foreman beat a retired fighter who in his prime was nothing like Vitali but was kind of tall? Go back to the boxing history section with your tired ****. Man you do reliaze that around the time Ali fought Cooper he barely weighed 200 pounds it's a 10 pound difference you make it sound like Ali weighed about 250 and got sat down by a 188 pounder you ever been hit with a perfect left hook off blame from a 188 pound man while you was off blanance and got up just fine?

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis THE TRUTH Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice. Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial doctor stoppage. Lewis was badly hurt, was holding on for dear life and was staggering around the ring like a drunk, he barely survived the 2nd round. Lewis was getting outboxed, outworked, outlanded and was badly hurt several times in the fight. punches landed Vitali 156 Lewis 102 Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he was a man on a mission and would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued. All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight. Lewis promised Vitali a rematch. Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The scared Lewis retired shortly after that fight. Lewis turned down 30 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali. Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement. http://i34.tinypic.com/izb4on.gif George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!" Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight" Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch. Lewis is scared to death of Vitali. Real truth Lewis also took that fight on 10 days notice clown he was supposed to fight Johnson. Klitschko was on the undercard so when Johnson pulled out they "BOTH" agreed to just do the fight there and then. Vitali was next to fight Lewis anyway. The fans "booed" the decision to stop the fight. Doctor said Vitali couldn't see his finger without moving his head so he "HAD" to stop the fight as Vitali couldn't see the punches. He need 60 sitches to his face after the fight. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/gallery/enlargePhoto?id=3632020&story=3631874 yeah Vitali looked like he had in the bag LOL.

You posted the other day that Sanders won round 1 of their fight, that means he has been behind on the scorecards. :rofl: Not only that, he was being shut out! lol

FACTS about Vitali Klitschko: - All Time Great and Hall Of Famer. - There is no blueprint to beat him. - He is unbeatable. - He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced. - Has never been behind on the scorecards. - Has great defense and an iron chin, never been down. - 38 KOs in 41 wins, greatest heavyweight champ KO% of all time. - Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing. It's a shame that injuries/4 year layoff robbed him of a stronger resume. If Vitali didn't get injured, he would've dominated the HW division from 2005-2008 and his resume would've been much stronger today, maybe on par with Wlad's great resume. Vitali is almost 40 now, came back after the 4 year layoff and is still dominating the HW division. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback. Next Victim: Odlanier Solis You posted the other day that Sanders won round 1 of their fight, that means he has been behind on the scorecards. :rofl:

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