Is it just me...or does the super six mean nothing now?

I never meant that it was completly meaningless... That's what you said you meant - look at the thread title. I'm just saying their were alot of bumps in the road and thought it lost some steam along the way.. That's just stating the obvious - but all great journeys have to negotiate bumps in the road. And it was obvious from the day it was announced that there would be bumps in the road. To Showtime's great credit, they have navigated the bumps and kept the show on the road. The Super Six is one of the best things to have happened in boxing in the last 20 years, despite the bumps.

I do care about all of the fighters in it..But hasnt this tournament pretty much turned into a joke now? Does anyone really care what happens now? does it really mean anything anymore...Idk I would just like to see these boxers in other matches atm..well opinions??? it most certainly fizzled with the injuries and drop outs, but it's still interesting, and the those still in it can bring it back to the forefront of the boxing media's attention.... i like the structure and the match ups in these tournaments, there really isnt an easy fight......... names going up against names, which is rare these days unless match makers are forced to put certain names in with one another. just with all that has been happening in boxing, the super 6 became like 6th on the list, yah know, one good fight will change that perception around though......... im still watching with much anticipation and eagerness..... PS: i do think that they let it go on too long, which has taken some of the interests out of it, it's not fresh in peoples minds, too much time passes between the fights.

I never meant that it was completly meaningless...I'm just saying their were alot of bumps in the road and thought it lost some steam along the way..I'm still interested to some degree and thought it was great when it started..I would like to see glen johnson beat froch..

If I was #1, I would suggest Bute EARNS his way like they (the S6 fighters) have had to do-let him get some wear and tear,because after this grueling tournament the only ones who deserve the easy fights are the ones who have fought the best available out there. If I was the #1 but was not undisputed then I would want to fight Bute in order to be undisputed. Ward (assuming he wins) will not be undisputed until he fights Bute. And Ward hasn't had any wear and tear so far, due to his style (or styles, but the point is, he has hardly taken any meaningful punches so far).

Hell,even Hopkins tried getting a fight with him (and was declined) I will only believe that if you provide a credible link. It certainly wasn't covered by any journalists on boxingscene. and I am sure Dawson would have fought him (he wanted to go down to SMW due to the lack of decent names in the LHW division at the time). That was just posturing - Dawson turned down a fight with Kessler at 168 and at catchweight, so he wasn't serious about moving down. As for not "pushing", Showtime seem to have made some sort of agreement with him up front to keep on good terms, but the reason they excluded him was simply that he was insistent on rematching Andrade, which it would be crazy to criticise him for, given the way the first fight went.

He was universally ranked #2 before the tournament started. He has done nothing since then to lose his spot, given that he was frozen out of the tournament. Obviously the people who are in the tournament are fighting better fighters than he is but that isn't his fault, that is simply because he was frozen out of the tournament. When the tournament started everyone said that no one could claim the be the undisputed champion without beating Bute, and he has done nothing since then to change that. As long as the Super Six winner fights Bute, there's no problem, we'll know who is best as soon as that fight takes place. Unless you are saying you would actually rather they didn't fight each other (which would be an insane position to take), then I don't see what the problem is. We'll find out who's best as soon as the Super 6 winner fights Bute. Here is an interesting scenario-do you think Bute has automatically earned the chance at fighting the #1 best SMW because he was "froze" out of the tourney,or should he earn it by first fighting opponents like Froch, Abraham, Kessler, Dirrell, etc once the tournament is over? If I was #1, I would suggest Bute EARNS his way like they (the S6 fighters) have had to do-let him get some wear and tear,because after this grueling tournament the only ones who deserve the easy fights are the ones who have fought the best available out there.

How can Bute fight the fighters in the Super Six when they're in the Super Six and he was excluded from it?????? Excluded....deliberately? Not sure....I haven't read one article where he has tried pushing to join the tournament,let alone fight someone who is a better fight than the trash he has been fighting recently.Hell,even Hopkins tried getting a fight with him (and was declined) and I am sure Dawson would have fought him (he wanted to go down to SMW due to the lack of decent names in the LHW division at the time).It just seems odd that someone would stay in a division for years if there is limited options unless they were content having the easy fights.

Now saying all of this....nothing he has done to date suggests he should earn a #2 spot. He was universally ranked #2 before the tournament started. He has done nothing since then to lose his spot, given that he was frozen out of the tournament. Obviously the people who are in the tournament are fighting better fighters than he is but that isn't his fault, that is simply because he was frozen out of the tournament. When the tournament started everyone said that no one could claim the be the undisputed champion without beating Bute, and he has done nothing since then to change that. As long as the Super Six winner fights Bute, there's no problem, we'll know who is best as soon as that fight takes place. Unless you are saying you would actually rather they didn't fight each other (which would be an insane position to take), then I don't see what the problem is. We'll find out who's best as soon as the Super 6 winner fights Bute.

Before the tournament started Bute was ranked higher than all but Kessler, based partly on who he fought and partly on how he looked against them. He was frozen out of the tournament, which is not his fault, and therefore as long as he keeps winning and doesn't fight total bums (and he hasn't been, his last three opponents were all reasonable ones given that the top fighters were in the Super Six) - he'll keep his ranking until the Super Six winner fights him. Then we'll see who's best. In the meantime, the sheer dominance of his last three wins, and the sheer class he showed in them, against credible opposition, leads many boxing experts to think that he may well be better than Ward and almost all of them consider that he's far better than Froch. What should have happened is that Showtime should have reserved a place for the Bute-Andrade winner, and excluded Taylor. But they didn't, and that isn't Bute's fault. The rankings all take into account the fact that he did not turn Showtime down, they turned him down. I agree with what you later stated.I didn't believe Taylor should have been in it from the get go.Bute would have been a good option,but it hasn't happened.Oddly enough,he has recently signed with Showtime when he should have pushed for it before Glen Johnson or Allan Green were brought in,and to be honest,they should have included him long ago. Now saying all of this....nothing he has done to date suggests he should earn a #2 spot.

(I'm not a Froch fan either,but I respect that he is fighting the best available competition instead of the Magee's and Brinkley's in the division). How can Bute fight the fighters in the Super Six when they're in the Super Six and he was excluded from it??????

Perhaps you can clue me in and make me a believer,but what has Bute achieved and who the hell has he fought to earn a higher rank than someone who has actually done the hard yards? Bute is over-rated in most sources... you can parrot what the Ring,BS,ESPN,etc have him ranked,but why is he there as opposed to someone who is actually proven to beat better opposition? Before the tournament started Bute was ranked higher than all but Kessler, based partly on who he fought and partly on how he looked against them. He was frozen out of the tournament, which is not his fault, and therefore as long as he keeps winning and doesn't fight total bums (and he hasn't been, his last three opponents were all reasonable ones given that the top fighters were in the Super Six) - he'll keep his ranking until the Super Six winner fights him. Then we'll see who's best. In the meantime, the sheer dominance of his last three wins, and the sheer class he showed in them, against credible opposition, leads many boxing experts to think that he may well be better than Ward and almost all of them consider that he's far better than Froch. What should have happened is that Showtime should have reserved a place for the Bute-Andrade winner, and excluded Taylor. But they didn't, and that isn't Bute's fault. The rankings all take into account the fact that he did not turn Showtime down, they turned him down.

I think Bute has a false ranking. He hasn't beaten anyone in the top five SMWs, so how can he rank higher than Froch or Ward? I agree...sometimes the best judge is a coherent boxing fan,because these rankings seem to be chosen out of thin air. When Bute fights consistent top quality opposition,I will give him props,but until then,his ranking is undeserved and should be allocated to a fighter who actually is doing something (I'm not a Froch fan either,but I respect that he is fighting the best available competition instead of the Magee's and Brinkley's in the division).

The format was too long and too many fighters, resulting in too many drop outs. Next time just 4 guys like the BWs. The problem with that format is that styles make fights. If there had been a Heavyweight tourney with that format in the 70s, Ali would have been knocked out of the tournament by Frazier in the first round. The current format has meant that the top fighters in the division have all been regularly fighting other top fighters in their division over a long period, which is what should always happen in boxing, but it hasn't happened since the early 1980s. It's something to celebrate, and what's gone wrong doesn't even compare with what's gone right.

I think Bute has a false ranking. He hasn't beaten anyone in the top five SMWs, so how can he rank higher than Froch or Ward?

Bute would have had to cancel his rematch with Andrade in order to get in, and that was out of the question because he needed to prove a point against Andrade. And he is currently ranked #2 in every credible independent rankings other than boxrec, which still ranks him #1. The Ring, boxingscene, espn, yahoo, all rank Bute #2. The only way Froch can overtake him now is if he either beat Wards or beats Bute (unless Bute loses to someone). Perhaps you can clue me in and make me a believer,but what has Bute achieved and who the hell has he fought to earn a higher rank than someone who has actually done the hard yards? Bute is over-rated in most sources... you can parrot what the Ring,BS,ESPN,etc have him ranked,but why is he there as opposed to someone who is actually proven to beat better opposition?

Um, what? as long as top fights are being made because of the tourney, then hell yes it means something. not to mention the two best of the group, Ward and Froch, are still going to end up fighting. I didnt really give a damn about the tourney, but I loved the matchups it created. and I still do. think about it. from this tourney we got Kessler-Ward, Abraham-Dirrell, Abraham-Taylor, Dirrel-Froch, Froch-Abraham, Bika-Ward, Green-Ward, and Green-Glen Johnson. and in the future we have Froch-Johnson and Ward-Abraham. and then the winner of those. HOLY ****. thats just outstanding, if youre a boxing fan then you HAVE to have loved this tourney.

The super six is great for boxing because it took the top guys in a division and got them to fight each other. Every weight class should have a super six tourney.

lets be real now. Thanks to some injuries and other BS, we missed out on some good potiental fights. Abraham who was expected togo far, didn't. Froch who was expected to go nowhere is actually somewhere though im feeling like it's ending soon. Dirrell was exposed as a *****. No doubt about that one. And Kessler beating Froch then having a injury. Ruined everything. **** even Taylor getting KO'd was sour for the Super 6. He really deserved to be there and i thought he was going to be in the semis at least. Crazy how things change. but we missed on great fights. Dirrell-Kessler, Dirrell-Taylor, Taylor-Ward, etc. ^ Those fights would have made the Super 6 ALOT more meaningful and at the end of the day crown a legit SMW champ who beat very good fighters to become one. Beating replacements who are less to par in Danny Green, Johnson means **** TBH I didn't know DANNY Green was in the SMW tourney...he must be weight-draining himself from the Cruiserweight division-lol

Bute could have bargained with Showtime if he wanted,but the truth is,he never raised a fuss.Just because he has stopped Miranda,Andrade and Brinkley doesn't earn him #2 spot in my book. Bute would have had to cancel his rematch with Andrade in order to get in, and that was out of the question because he needed to prove a point against Andrade. And he is currently ranked #2 in every credible independent rankings other than boxrec, which still ranks him #1. The Ring, boxingscene, espn, yahoo, all rank Bute #2. The only way Froch can overtake him now is if he either beats Ward or beats Bute (unless Bute loses to someone in the meantime).

Green was considered for one of the original Super 6 places and was generally considered to be on a par with Dirrell before the tournament started - both were unproven prospects (and would be still if the tournament hadn't happened, and so would Ward be). It was more or less a coin toss whether Green would get in or Dirrell. Johnson beat Green even more easily than Ward did and proved he is undoubtedly better than anyone outside the tournament other than Bute. Missed great fights? We've had more best-in-class match-ups during the Super Six than we've had in any Division since the 1980s, and all you can do is moan about some match-ups that haven't happened (yet). Talk about being a glass half empty person! I can't believe how hard to please some people are. Without the Super Six you'd still have missed all those fights, plus you'd have missed most of the fights that have happened. Instead we'd have had four alphabet belt holders just fighting bums, and Ward, Green and Dirrell would still be prospects who had never fought anyone with a ranking. Danny Green in the S6???? You must mean ALLAN Green. Danny is a Cruiserweight...