why do people act like calzaghe ducked prime hopkins and jones??

nice thread you had going Larry true! Joe was too busy ducking Sven ottke to duck hopkins and roy

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Listen.....at the end of the day.......Lacy and Kessler.....I'm a legend killer. Seriously though....at the end of the day, Lewis/Hatton/Naz/Khan/Froch all came over to America in their primes. Calzaghe waited until he has retirement plan set. That pretty much tells you everything you need to know about how much risk he was willing to take. You can argue about negotiations falling through or whatever....but he should have come over to America. But you know what? He didn't want greatness, true greatness. He's probably content with his career, the money he has made and the acclaim of the British boxing fans/media. Fair dos. But if he wasn't willing to seek out greatness, let's not proclaim his greatness.

You seem upset. I guss if I knew deep down that my hero was a frightened coward who hid in his backyard his whole career, I'd be upset too. It's okay dude. I'm sure there'll be another Brit fighter that isn't overhyped on day that you can latch on to. Um....ok then:fingersx:

Yes Im mad. Im the one frantically searching for and bumping old threads about Joe Calzaghe... Cool hobby bro... You seem upset. I guss if I knew deep down that my hero was a frightened coward who hid in his backyard his whole career, I'd be upset too. It's okay dude. I'm sure there'll be another Brit fighter that isn't overhyped on day that you can latch on to.

I may be one of the few that think like this, but i think that when Hopkins beat, and stopped Trinidad as his "come out" fight for greatness, then he also exit his prime. Sure, still great and close to his prime, but just a step slower and less active, and aggressive, and started to become more and more defensive after that fight. I would say he was at his best around 97-01, may not have looked great in every fight but he won, and won easy. Some fights may not have looked great, most thanks to his style, but never in his prime closed to be stopped or beat during that time. Even as a big Hopkins fan, i do admit that when he lost to Jones, he was in his prime, but not as experienced as he would become a couple of years later. Jones speed would always have been Hopkins biggest problem in Hopkins prime, but if the fight would have happen a couple of years latter then 93, say 97-99, Hopkins may still not have won, but his experince would make it even harder for a prime Jones then there first fight. Even at 43 against Calzaghe, Hopkins made it a close fight, despite Joes hand speed and work rate. Simply because as Hopkins has gotten older, he has also got so much more mature and experinced in the ring and now how to studie, and work out how to get the most out of his body and style.

A coward just like his Hero Joe Yes Im mad. Im the one frantically searching for and bumping old threads about Joe Calzaghe... Cool hobby bro...

No he didnt. Why are you bumping old Calzaghe threads? :bottle: A coward just like his Hero Joe

The coward Calzaghe's coward manager of course changed the terms at the last minute. UK= home of cowards No he didnt. Why are you bumping old Calzaghe threads? :bottle:

"Carl Froch would smash me to pieces"

No not really. An example of pricing yourself out is being offered a career hight 3m purse, accepting it and then calling back 24 hours asking for double. Which is what Bernard Hopkins did when offered a fight with Calzaghe. The coward Calzaghe's coward manager of course changed the terms at the last minute. UK= home of cowards

I know, that makes it worse, he laid that out there before any actual discussion! No not really. An example of pricing yourself out is being offered a career hight 3m purse, accepting it and then calling back 24 hours asking for double. Which is what Bernard Hopkins did when offered a fight with Calzaghe.

Because he hid in the UK for the best part of the decade. His obscurity isn't a defence, you look at people like Khan, Hatton and Froch they stepped out of their comfort zone to get the relevant fights.

when in reality that wasnt the case......... Larry, youve been the worst poster on BS for the past year, but this thread almost makes up for it! I will give green k when I recharge.

At SMW Prime-Joe would have beaten Ottke, Collins, Toney and Hopkins. He'd either get stopped late by RJJ or win a SD over him.

recieving damage from an action of your own in a limited area is vastly different than recieving damage from another that is expressly designed to break you down. As I said, hurt hands from throwing punches play a secondary role in the "wear and tear" factor to repeated bombs to the body and head. lol. Not when hands are the primary weapon.

damn this thread really took off.....to make it clear im a huge fan of bhop and roy...but im also a calzaghe fan......i think prime for prime roy,,hopkins and calzaghe would always be a good fight..they are elite fighters imo...no hate here at all

PROBABLY BECAUSE HE NEVER FOUGHT A PRIME HOPKINS OR A PRIME JONES??? IM PRETTY SURE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT THOUGH...??? Come on man, what in the hell do you think?? You think that was a prime JONES? OR A PRIME HOPKINS? HE WAS A CHAMP, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THAT AS A EUROPEAN YOU AINT **** UNTIL YOU PROVE YOURSELF AGAINST THE BOYS OVER HERE. HE WAITED A DAY TOO LATE AND WAS A DOLLAR TOO SHORT. Now I dont take anything from him (CALZAGHE) as he had talent, no doubt, but once again this topic is not about his talent but when he fought two fighters.... He (JOE CALZAGHE) fought jones in 2008. IN MAY 2004, JONES GOT HIS ASS WHOOPED BY TARVER,. (UNABLE TO CONTINUE) IN SEPTEMBER 2004, GLEN JOHNSON KNOCKED HIS ASS OUT, AND HE LAID UNCONSCIOUS FOR 3 DAMN MINUTES!!! OCTOBER 2005 TARVER BEAT HIS ASS AGAIN. THIS WAS IN 2005 MIND YOU HE WAS DONE THEN. x3 BACK TO BACK LOSSES FOR SUPERMAN. Jones took on Prince Badi Ajamu on July 29, 2006, and yes he won, but who in the hell is Prince Badi Ajamu??? LOL HE BEAT ANTHONY HANSHAW LOL Put it this way he (ANTHONY HANSHAW) got served by andre dirrell in a 5th round TKO... BASICALLY A BUM. SO HE WON, BUT AGAIN TO BUMS, AND HE BEAT TITO WHO HAD BEEN RETIRED SINCE BASICALLY 2002, I MEAN TITO FOUGHT TWICE SINCE HIS 2002 RETIREMENT, AND THEN FOUGHT ROY IN 2008, BEFORE HE (ROY) FOUGHT JOE CALZAGHE. LISTEN THERE WAS JUST A POST ON HERE ABOUT MANNY NOT BEING LIKE ROY JONES... EVERYONE KNOWS ROY WAS OVER THE HILL WHEN HE FOUGHT CALZAGHE. ANYONE THAT DOESNT SEE THIS IS DELUSIONAL, HE WAS SLOWER, COULDNT EVEN CONNECT ON CALZAGHE, WHOM LITERALLY DANCED FOR ROY WHILE FIGHTING ROY LOL. HE WAS OVER THE HILL. I LIKED ROY, DAMN GOOD FIGHTER, BUT HE WAS OVER THE HILL WHEN HE LOSS TO TARVER X2 AND GLEN JOHNSON. WHEN YOU ARE KNOCKED OUT AND STILL KNOCKED OUT WHEN THE DAMN NETWORK IS SIGNING OFF, YOU ARE DONE! IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND MAKE YOUR STANCE. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL ROY PRIOR TO RUIZ WOULDNT HAVE BEEN THE FAVORITE IN THE CALZAGHE FIGHT. HELL CALZAGHE WAS THE FAVORITE!!! AGAINST ROY "SUPERMAN" JONES LOL!!! BECAUSE THE BOOKIES KNOW BEST!! THEY DONT BET WITH MOTIONS, BUT WITH SOLID LOGIC. I WON SOME GOOD MONEY OFF THAT FIGHT TOO AS I BET ON CALZAGHE!!! I WOULDNT HAVE DARED DONE THAT **** AGAINST ROY IN HIS PRIME. Now BHOPS IS DONE NOW AS WELL, I LOVE BHOP, BUT HIS STYLE IS KEEPING HIM IN THE GAME LONGER....THATS IT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. YEAH HE BEAT A WASHED UP ROY, AND HIS RECENT FIGHT WITH PASCAL, SHOWS YOU THE SAD STATE OF BOXING WHEN A 40 PLUS YEAR OLD CAN WHOOP THE YOUNG BUCKS EASY...LOL HELL AFTER THE ROY FIGHT EVEN SCHAFER WAS LIKE HE (BHOP) NEEDS TO RETIRE..LOL HIS BUSINESS PARTNER!!! NOW I CAN DO THE SAME FOR BHOP, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TO DISCREDIT CALZAGHE, JUST TO STATE THE TRUTH. THE OVER THE HILL BHOP KNOCKED CALZAGHE DOWN..LOL NO WAY IN HELL BHOP THAT FOUGHT TITO WOULD HAVE LOST TO CALZAGHE, I MAKE MONEY BETTING SON. THIS IS WHAT I DO. :You_Rock_:You_Rock_

it is a reason why even when Joe was in his PRIME...NOBODY was talking about him B-Hop and Roy Jones in their PRIME would have beat Joe IMO...Joe barely got past B-Hop even when he was OLDER so just imagine if B-Hop was a little younger...he also didn't want to fight Glen Johnson either only reason why Glen Johnson and B-Hop is still top fighters at an older age is because these YOUNG FIGHTERS are all OVERRATED and 99.9% of them LACK BOXING SKILLS so Road Warriors like Glen Johnson and B-Hop can expose these younger fighters ALL DAY! to be fair to Joe though...I think if he would have kept fighting he would still be one of the best in his division if not the Best because he does have pretty good Boxing SKILLS

I know, that makes it worse, he laid that out there before any actual discussion! :lol1::lol1: