If Andre Berto KO Victor Ortiz will you give him any credit?

Decent credit. I don't think that highly of Berto so KOing a good fighter like Ortiz will show he isn't the bum many think he is.

I would give Berto some credit because it's one of the most dangerous opponents he faced but not alot of credit because of Ortiz being a junior welterweight and his being inconsistant since moving up in competition. I figure if Ortiz cannot get in a big shot by the fifth round Berto will take over and stop him when he gets tired. Which should be about mid-fight.

So... it's not about how good someone actually is when you fight them, it's about how good they used to be when they were cheating with loaded gloves years ago? I don't know what makes less sense, ^ this, or your earlier statement saying Pac vs Diaz is better than Pac vs Berto. Not trying to be mean, just keeping it real. Gotta admit, that's surprising coming from you. I never said better just said Diaz was proven at the weight and Berto is yet to prove anything at WW,so the fight makes more sense..Margs looked out match vs a much better fighter in Pac,Berto is no Pac Marga's would walk threw Berto imo..Not to mention Berto's stamina problem,one things for certain Marga's stamina is great..

Marga's that fought Pac stops Berto..It's not about the wins it's the fact that they fought the fights and have some wins against good opponents..Berto has neither.. So... it's not about how good someone actually is when you fight them, it's about how good they used to be when they were cheating with loaded gloves years ago? I don't know what makes less sense, ^ this, or your earlier statement saying Pac vs Diaz is better than Pac vs Berto. Not trying to be mean, just keeping it real. Why wouldn't I give Berto credit, Ortiz is a world class fighter and has weighed in on FN at times for 140lb fights more than Berto has weighed for 147lb fights. Gotta admit, that's surprising coming from you.

What Clottey resume? What wins of his blow Berto's outta the water? Margarito post Mosley wraps gets DOMINATED by Berto. He's no better than a C-list fighter, like Abregu or something. Mosley does have a better resume (He's supposed to being over a decade older), but I doubt the Mosley Pac beats will be a better fighter than Berto is right now. Marga's that fought Pac stops Berto..It's not about the wins it's the fact that they fought the fights and have some wins against good opponents..Berto has neither..

berto doesn't deserve a shot at pac, but with wifebeater's duckage, there really isn't anyone other than berto at WW for pac to fight. having said that, clottey, mosley and margarito resumes blow berto's out of the water and it isn't even close. What Clottey resume? What wins of his blow Berto's outta the water? Margarito post Mosley wraps gets DOMINATED by Berto. He's no better than a C-list fighter, like Abregu or something. Mosley does have a better resume (He's supposed to being over a decade older), but I doubt the Mosley Pac beats will be a better fighter than Berto is right now.

doubt it... gbp are horrible matchmakers. IMHO ortiz was supposed to be gbp's new cash cow, but that role has now passed to the ginger kid. imho, they are cashing out with ortiz... ortiz no longer has an upside. If that's the case, I hope Ortiz proves them wrong... Then leaves to Top Rank when his contract is done, lol.

berto has all the advantages but ortiz still has some talent I hope ortiz beats the shiit outta berto for cherrypicking jr WWs, but ortiz's talent can't over come the quitter in him.

Sure, why not. But I think Ortiz will be wearing the belt at the end of this matchup. This is make or break time for Victor. & if he does come away with the victory, man what a turnaround for him. That motivating factor right there & this golden opportunity are the main reasons I think we are gonna hear the words ''and new'' at the end of that fight. doubt it... gbp are horrible matchmakers. IMHO ortiz was supposed to be gbp's new cash cow, but that role has now passed to the ginger kid. imho, they are cashing out with ortiz... ortiz no longer has an upside.

Sure, why not. But I think Ortiz will be wearing the belt at the end of this matchup. This is make or break time for Victor. & if he does come away with the victory, man what a turnaround for him. That motivating factor right there & this golden opportunity are the main reasons I think we are gonna hear the words ''and new'' at the end of that fight.

berto doesn't deserve a shot at pac, but with wifebeater's duckage, there really isn't anyone other than berto at WW for pac to fight. having said that, clottey, mosley and margarito resumes blow berto's out of the water and it isn't even close.

He's got a belt. Pac should be unifying. He beat Ricky Valie to et that belt..LMAO..

Exactly, it's no different than David Diaz. If Pac fought Diaz he should fight Berto. Diaz was proven in his div,although Berto has a belt he imo is not proven..By the way who did he beat to get that belt??Oh yea Ricky Martin..

Yeah Clottey's best wins are a shot Judah and blown up ww version of Corrlaes. Meanwhile, Margarito was disgraced as he is a proven cheater. Those are some excellent resumes, LMAO! The majority of hard core boxing fans would rather see Berto vs Pacquiao over Mosley vs Pacquiao. You focus to much on wins,it's more about who ya fought..Clottey fought Cotto Marga's Zab and ..Marga's fought Pwilly Clottey Mosley Cotto..Ya see the Pattern??Hard fights bro to get to the top,they fought each other they were all names in their div and they mix it up to get to the top..Pac is the top start mixing it up..

He's got a belt. Pac should be unifying. Exactly, it's no different than David Diaz. If Pac fought Diaz he should fight Berto.

What has Berto done to earn a shot?? He has beat Quintana (who defeated Williams), Collazo, Urango, etc. Btw, he's beaten these guys without having been proved to be using loaded gloves.

I expect Berto to KO Ortiz, but I don't expect him to get any credit. I wouldn't mind seeing Berto fight the winner of Khan vs Bradley next if he gets by Ortiz, yeah I know another JWW lol. No because Ortiz is a known quitter who breaks down mentally when the fight gets tough & he has already been KOd by Maidana plus the fact that once again he's fighting a JWW instead of facing the Collazos and Cintrons who have called him out and they actually fight in his weight division!

What has Berto done to earn a shot?? He's got a belt. Pac should be unifying.

Take a peak at their resume,it's really self explanatory.. Yeah Clottey's best wins are a shot Judah and blown up ww version of Corrlaes. Meanwhile, Margarito was disgraced as he is a proven cheater. Those are some excellent resumes, LMAO! The majority of hard core boxing fans would rather see Berto vs Pacquiao over Mosley vs Pacquiao.

Why does Berto have to earn a shot at Pacquiao? What did Clottey and Margarito do to earn a shot at Pacquiao? What has Berto done to earn a shot??