Latest Ring Magazine Rankings, Donaire OVERTAKES Martinez and JMM to grab #3 spot....

three or more spectacular fights like this and donaire could conceivably become #2. Looking forward to the time two filipinos will be ranked #1 and #2 respectively. for now, donaire's position at #3 is rather tenuous. As long as floyd still doesn't fight this year, and donaire gives us more noteworthy fights, i'm sure the above prediction would happen within two years.

I think it is wrong. i take it the ring aint high on martinez anymore! it should be 1. pacquiao/mayweather 3. JMM 4. martinez and then whoever!

I dont agree. One fight should not do that. Not for nothing and not on a racist rant but ANY POLL THAT INVOLVES a Filipino boxer in here.....I dont respect the poll. In my years in here I have noticed that they have the most alts in here.... and vote with their flag before their brain. so your saying your polls should remove pac and nonito? your an idiot. i am filipino and agree with most. I think he has proved his skill and talent but should not be above martinez. p.will and pavlik are definitely better wins in my opinion. pwill was ranked 3rd p4p when he got ktfo and everyone was running from him. jmm is questionable. i think his huge loss to pbf is still hurting my opinion. the skill and talent would go in favor of donaire for age, skill, talent and a KO power. JMM for as long as i've watched his fights never got ktfo but has been knocked down multiple times. I'd think it would go to decision and sd to nonito at this point but close fight. with donaire's huge counter lefts (pac has knocked him down with this) will catch jmm multiple times.

WTF Donaire's resume is better than Martinez Darchinyan, Sidorenko, Montiel>>>>>>>>>>>Pavlik, Williams (which he lost the 1st fight) Pav was the MW Champ(what was Chinny?)Pwilly was the most avoided man from 147lb to 160lb Martinez resume is far better then Donaires..Let's not forget the time span in which Donaire fought his fights as well..

donaire was the underdog against darchinyan & KO'd a tough montiel who was never been stopped in his entire career... martinez should be #5... pacquiao mayweather donaire marquez martinez Martinez KO'd Pwilly a big beast who overwhelmed every fighter he had fought..Let's not forget that Martinez should have a KO over Cintron as well and he KO'd Bunema..

WTF Donaire's resume is better than Martinez Darchinyan, Sidorenko, Montiel>>>>>>>>>>>Pavlik, Williams (which he lost the 1st fight)

Have to disagree with this. Based on their accomplishments, both Darchi and Montiel deserve to at least be on the HOF ballot when their time comes. You just can't say the same for Pavlik and Williams. Darchi + Montiel > Pavlik + Williams, jro, and there really shouldn't be questions about that part of the argument. That said, you made a good point about Sergio facing Pavlik and Williams one after another, while Darchi and Montiel took Nonito almost four years. Plus Sergio took out the Frog right before that, who outboxed Perro and therefore proved to be a player at JMW. Rold voted based more on what his eyes told him. I say let the resume be the end all, be all of P4P and ATG rankings. As an aside, Sergio is about to face a JMW champ at MW, and I'm not too sure how much credit people should give him for that one. I disagree, Darchinyan shouldn't be in the ballot at all...Why should he? Because, Donaire KO'd him? To be fair, could Vic be on the ballot? I mean if Sven Ottke can be in the ballot then I guess Darchinyan could do. But, if Ottke could be in the ballot than so could P-Will and Pavlik. But, in reality neither should be in the ballot. Should Montiel be on the ballot? Yes he should. But, should he be in the HOF? I say no he shouldn't. ATG rankings yes resume and accomplishments are the end all and be all. But, P4P is different because, it truly is opinion based. And, Cliff is right by letting his eyes judge his rankings. Because, that was actually the true meaning of P4P. If everything was equal and you just match skills would come out on top. So by that sense your eyes can do the judging.

Donaire's new ranking was expected. I'm surprised Wlad moved up 1 position without doing anything however.

donaire was the underdog against darchinyan & KO'd a tough montiel who was never been stopped in his entire career... martinez should be #5... pacquiao mayweather donaire marquez martinez Donaire outranked Martinez before both fought Montiel and WIlliams respectively. But because of how he defeated Williams and the status of Williams as a fighter, Sergio moved ahead to #3. But now Donaire has done the same to an equally caliber opponent, he deserved to jump ahead of Martinez in the rankings. It's back and forth between the two at this point. And it will depend on Martinez next fight, and Donaire's next opponent to solidify their rankings. At this point, is still shaky in regards to #3 and #4.

He doesn't belong higher then Martinez, Martinez was the under dog against Pavlik & K.O'd a tough chin Williams & arugably won their first fight, Donaire hasn't done nothing of that stature, he should be #4 donaire was the underdog against darchinyan & KO'd a tough montiel who was never been stopped in his entire career... martinez should be #5... pacquiao mayweather donaire marquez martinez

If Darchinyan is a HOF'er then so is Pavlik and P-Will. FFS's...No Darchinyan is not a HOF'er at all. Not even close, it shouldn't even be considered at all. Montiel is pushing it for HOF inductee...He can be considered for one. Maybe be in a ballot. But, I wouldn't vote for him to get in either. Resume wise Donaire and Martinez are pretty equal...There resume could go either way. However, I would say this Pavlik and Martinez back-to-back>Darchinyan and Montiel 3 years apart. But, overall resume is pretty equal...You could go either way. Have to disagree with this. Based on their accomplishments, both Darchi and Montiel deserve to at least be on the HOF ballot when their time comes. You just can't say the same for Pavlik and Williams. Darchi + Montiel > Pavlik + Williams, jro, and there really shouldn't be questions about that part of the argument. That said, you made a good point about Sergio facing Pavlik and Williams one after another, while Darchi and Montiel took Nonito almost four years. Plus Sergio took out the Frog right before that, who outboxed Perro and therefore proved to be a player at JMW. Rold voted based more on what his eyes told him. I say let the resume be the end all, be all of P4P and ATG rankings. As an aside, Sergio is about to face a JMW champ at MW, and I'm not too sure how much credit people should give him for that one.

I dont agree. One fight should not do that. Not for nothing and not on a racist rant but ANY POLL THAT INVOLVES a Filipino boxer in here.....I dont respect the poll. In my years in here I have noticed that they have the most alts in here.... and vote with their flag before their brain. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=725&pictureid=9206 stop the hating

witter wasnt really dominated but thats forgivable seeing as bradley was green when he beat him. alexander wasnt dominated either, holt was and campbell complained like a little b1tch. ranked or not most of those fighters had tomato cans on their resume khan is the last man standing and is likely to beat bradley too which is the main reason panda doesnt feel bradley belongs in the p4p top 10 Devon was def dominated,or I should say just did not come to fight..Be honest how many rds did you give to Devon before the fight was stopped??I gave him two and that is very kind..I agree tho Bradley has to beat Khan to really show he belongs with the elite..But I also think he has done enough to be right where he belongs on the P4P list,Bradley has defeated top fighters in his div and is undefeated..He belongs right where he is at..

Yea, if you really don't know Wonjongkam is then you shouldn't give your opinion on the matter. I lmao. Hard.

No, I'm not. It only makes sense that I use ring magazine's own damn ratings to see how much a win is worth for their own damn list. Martinez beats the #4 in the ring list and Donaire beats the #7 in the ring list. By using ring magazine's own criteria of who's p4p, how does Donaire surpassing Martinez make any sense? #4 > #7 And, what is the ring own criteria in ranking P4P? Does it say in their criteria if you beat somebody lower in the P4P ranking you can't jump up somebody higher? Are you also taking into account where they were rank prior of said victory? For example Donaire was already ranked #5, pretty high, prior to facing Montiel. And, before that was ranked #4 by the ring. Where was Martinez ranked prior to facing P-Will? That should also be taking into account if you're going by the ring ranking and question their ranking. Fact is it is an opinion based, mythical ranking. That is not even controlled by one person. It is controlled by a panel of members.

Montiel and Darchinyan are both future Hall of Famers, and Donaire beat them in their primes. Williams and Pavlik can't really be classed as future HoF'ers yet (especially Williams). prime-Montiel + prime-Darchinyan > prime-Williams + prime-Pavlik. Donaire's resume > Martinez's If Darchinyan is a HOF'er then so is Pavlik and P-Will. FFS's...No Darchinyan is not a HOF'er at all. Not even close, it shouldn't even be considered at all. Montiel is pushing it for HOF inductee...He can be considered for one. Maybe be in a ballot. But, I wouldn't vote for him to get in either. Resume wise Donaire and Martinez are pretty equal...There resume could go either way. However, I would say this Pavlik and Martinez back-to-back>Darchinyan and Montiel 3 years apart. But, overall resume is pretty equal...You could go either way.

You're acting like if there is an official P4P list. No, I'm not. It only makes sense that I use ring magazine's own damn ratings to see how much a win is worth for their own damn list. Martinez beats the #4 in the ring list and Donaire beats the #7 in the ring list. By using ring magazine's own criteria of who's p4p, how does Donaire surpassing Martinez make any sense? #4 > #7

Martinez inhereted the Overrated status from Paul Williams. Compare the two notable wins from Donaire and Martinez. (Paul Williams + Pavlike) vs (Darch vs Montiel). IMO Martinez is still untested. Pavlik was exposed by Bhop and Taylor, he was probably going downhill having that problem in his arms and alcholism. Paul Williams is the most overrated fighter of all time with no defense and only uses his size advantage over his opponent. Darch and montiel was on top of their game when they lost to Donaire. Its a no brainer. I want Martinez to fight fighters like Pirog, Bute, Froch,Kessler- solid fighters before we know where he belongs. :nonono: :pat:

1 Pac 2 Floyd 3 Martinez 4 Donaire 5 Hopkins 6 Wlad Klitschko 7 Froch 8 Juanma Lopez 9 Vitali Klitschko 10 Timothy Bradley

r u kidding me??? ive been following doniare for quite some time, even b4 the darchinyan fight. and ive been criticizing him since i came on this site. shut ur face n stop acting like an ass. wat im saying is true. ur a donaire fan?? cool. but name fighters besides darchinyan and donaire that are worth **** on his resume? and as far as the cintron draw, so waht?? a draw doesnt count??? that draw with cintron is worth more than the last to midgets donaire fought b4 montiel. and what ring should have done is wait for martinez to fight before moving him down anyways. he did nothing to deserve movbing him down. so even if his next fight doesnt count for him, it shouldnt count against him. punk ass. Sydorenko, he probably was on the down slide of his career. But, still a solid career bantamweight. And, Donaire blitzed him. Also Raul Martinez is a solid win for Donaire. He has more names on his resume than just Montiel and Darchinyan. For whatever reason, people feel the need to give Nonito absolutely not credit for that victory. Even though that guy took Moreno life and death twice and Nonito out classed him. No disrespect bro, but did you see those fights? Please see the fight. Don't just look at boxrec and see a SD and think it was close fight. Moreno outclassed Sydorenko, beat him pretty wide, it wasn't close at all bro. Neither fight were close. The scores from the judges might seem like it was close. But, that's because both fights took place in Germany. And, for Moreno to come out of Germany with a victory in both fights. Should give you some kind of an idea how lopsided it really was.