Comments Thread For: Haye vs Povetkin: David, Sauerland Discuss The Fight

What Wlad did was despicable. Wlad used the inside information obtained from the negotiations to F*ck Haye. He KNEW for a fact that Khan and the Royal wedding would keep Haye from having a tune up fight. Notice that Wlad has been silent since Haye proposed a fight in the fall! Wlad doesnt want Haye in the fall, because he won't have that same advantage of jumping on an 8 month inactive fighter. I don't mean to be rude, but have you lost your mind? Do you honestly believe all the conspiracy crap that you spew? Hell it would be easier for Wlad to just fight Haye instead of jumping through all the hoops you claim he has been doing to duck him. I personally believe you give Wlad way to much credit and you are reading way to much into the whole situation. And you really need to sit down and take a deep breath and repeat to yourself three times, its' only a fight, it's only a fight, it's only a fight.

What Wlad did was despicable. Wlad used the inside information obtained from the negotiations to F*ck Haye. He KNEW for a fact that Khan and the Royal wedding would keep Haye from having a tune up fight. Notice that Wlad has been silent since Haye proposed a fight in the fall! Wlad doesnt want Haye in the fall, because he won't have that same advantage of jumping on an 8 month inactive fighter. Not true at all. The only 2 times he's had a layoff that long was against 1. Monte Barett(He was extremely rusty in that fight) 2. Nikolai Valuev, who had an equally long layoff. Haye doesnt mind the lay-off as long as Wlad has the same. it was nearly 8 months between the Harris and Ruiz fight also,

I believe Haye is inactive simply because he chooses to be, how and the hell is that Wlads fought? I will have to say you Haye fans have more bull$hit then a bull eating Ex-lax. Even if they did fight in July Haye would have been, by his choice, inactive since November. I am sure Wlad would not have cared if Haye took a tune up before July. And Haye was the one that was not available in April, so was Wlad conspiring with the Royal family so he could duck Haye?. What Wlad did was despicable. Wlad used the inside information obtained from the negotiations to F*ck Haye. He KNEW for a fact that Khan and the Royal wedding would keep Haye from having a tune up fight. Notice that Wlad has been silent since Haye proposed a fight in the fall! Wlad doesnt want Haye in the fall, because he won't have that same advantage of jumping on an 8 month inactive fighter. uhh ,...Haye is always inactive for 8 months lol Not true at all. The only 2 times he's had a layoff that long was against 1. Monte Barett(He was extremely rusty in that fight) 2. Nikolai Valuev, who had an equally long layoff. Haye doesnt mind the lay-off as long as Wlad has the same.

you cant put only haye to blame,and cant put only wlad to blame,as all networks failed us fans aswell. if only wlad didnt pull out of fighting chisora in december,then we would have haye v Wlad in july without any problems and excuses. I wouldnt expect haye to waste so many months for wlad when its very very likely wlad isnt able to compete on july 2nd through possible loss,possible injury/not compete at the level he should do as he isnt absolutely trained properly and isnt in proper top condition with right amount of sparring done for Haye fight. i dont agree with haye retire bs.but if he is serious with it,he would not wait half the year for fight with wlad to most likely not happen when he could get his mandatory out the way seen as wlad is fighting someone else,and then get wlad/vital in late summer time.

Fair enough,i just want some people to use some own thought on who really is wanting to fight,and who is really to blame.instead of just blindly and instantly blaming haye. instead of blindly beleiving wlads every word and claims.and saying we should all just take wlads word for it,despite his word and claims being dubious. yes,i would have prefered haye to earn less and agree fights early on in 09,but that would have stopped the fight being unification in first instance. i really wished that setanta hadnt gone down,when that happened i did think haye would have to pull out of the wlad fight,that was sh*t timing from setanta. and you can see why haye wants to earn more,gain experience aswell maybe,before fighting klitshckos,and get better deals with his own belt helping possiblity of complete unification of all titles. also blame does go to the networks for not getting the dates close enough tbh. they should have moved khans date to may and haye for khans original date of april 16.sky that is.or a venue be made possible for earlier. or allowed a fight for wlad closer than april 30 so he does have full time to prepare and promote and atually fight haye when wlad is at his best condition. i think haye should and could have done more earlier on,but this time round i think he has done mostly everything he could to make the fight.he agreed germany,agreed split,changed his saureland contract to make it possible,agreed to minor things like name order and ring corner,german dr for wlad ect. i dont think wlad has really done or conceded anything to make the fight happen this time round,and hes blocked up later this year with adamek aswell. im not saying he should do,or has too,but he could do,youde think he would if he wanted too fight. .if its a unfication then both need to do thier bit to make sure they can fight ,and it is for each others titles. i just want the best to fight the best. in all reality it should be no 1 wlad vs no 2 vitali but they obvs. wont do that.so we will get either no3 haye vs no1 or no 2. i think its likely haye v vitali will have to be first,and will be in october time. i believe if haye does win we will see haye v wlad early next year in march time. Ok I do have to agree to the staement that network should have just moved Khans fight to make Haye vs. Klitschko happen.

The Chirsoa scheduling was a pure Chess move by Wlad. Wlad knew that it was impossible for Haye to secure a tuneup between January 1 and April 30th. And a tuneup AFTER April 30th would be too close to the agreed July 2nd date. So by scheduling Chisora, Wlad creates a situation where: HAYE ACCEPTS: He'll be inactive for 8 months, and Wlad gets the jump on a rusted fighter.. Just like what happened with Byrd 10 years ago. HAYE REJECTS: Haye is made to look like the ducker, and Wlad's glass chin is safe from all harm and damage. Wlad may be a coward, but he's no dummy. This was all brilliantly orchestrated, from the fake injury to the fake negotiations with Haye. Well done! uhh ,...Haye is always inactive for 8 months lol

The Chirsoa scheduling was a pure Chess move by Wlad. Wlad knew that it was impossible for Haye to secure a tuneup between January 1 and April 30th. And a tuneup AFTER April 30th would be too close to the agreed July 2nd date. So by scheduling Chisora, Wlad creates a situation where: HAYE ACCEPTS: He'll be inactive for 8 months, and Wlad gets the jump on a rusted fighter.. Just like what happened with Byrd 10 years ago. HAYE REJECTS: Haye is made to look like the ducker, and Wlad's glass chin is safe from all harm and damage. Wlad may be a coward, but he's no dummy. This was all brilliantly orchestrated, from the fake injury to the fake negotiations with Haye. Well done! I believe Haye is inactive simply because he chooses to be, how and the hell is that Wlads fought? I will have to say you Haye fans have more bull$hit then a bull eating Ex-lax. Even if they did fight in July Haye would have been, by his choice, inactive since November. I am sure Wlad would not have cared if Haye took a tune up before July. And Haye was the one that was not available in April, so was Wlad conspiring with the Royal family so he could duck Haye? So anyway what does Wlad do? He takes a $hit fight. And I don't agree with the fight only because Chisora does not deserve it. But if anyone deserves to take an easy fight it would be Wlad. And there really is no reason why Haye could not have done the same within a four month period or even longer and if he just pushed his fake a$$ retirement back. After all he is used to fighting old out of their prime fighters so how hard would have been to find another victim? And you Haye fans *****ed because Wlad took the other fight, because he could get hurt or this or that, and now you are complaining because Haye could not have done the same. It is just one big pile of steaming crap after another with you guys. I mean this ain't rocket science and Haye seems to stay in shape so what is so hard about fighting two or three of even four times a year? And you are right Wlad is a chess player and he is already on his second move with Adamek while Haye is still spinning wheels.

er,i think perhaps sky,german tv and hbo or showtime had to believe to wlads demands or the fight doesnt get broacasted!. its ok if wlad calls all our bluffs and ducks out??. deciding on who he wants is just mind games from haye,his opinion on which he wants first can change ok. now klitschkos siad they will fight for biggest tv network who offers the fight,boente agreed this on tv. then he said in interview he wouldnt go to hbo even if they offered more money,and would prefer showtime. they said vitali could fight first and he wouldnt have a problem with his mandatory. wlad said he would fight in england,seems like he wont now.haye agreed to germany. Funny how when you whistle people down to it,all people can say to defend wlad is "believe him,if he says he will fight fights so close,he will!",despite all the evidence that points against what he says" and that its hayes fault for not calling wlads bluff and wasting time doing so. despite the networks and WBA most likely not even buying into wlads claims and allowing the fight for july with chisora fight happening,to allow haye to call wlads bluff. I never said just believe him.I said look who actually in fact canceled the fight.You cannot argue witch fighter actually pulled out of the fight.you can only try to rationalize the reason why with opinion and theory.But in the end the fact is no matter what excuse you buy into ,in the end the person who officially canceled was David Haye.

lol@ dvb , ok bor Ima back just needed to make some money to pay the bills lol (did you miss me !)hahaha; o of course!,lol. tbh,ive said all i need to say,ive presented all my points and arguments,if no one doesnt want to consider them then fine,dont. but a lot of it makes sense.and a lot of it based on fact and logic.

we will get the fights we want come the end of this year,start of next year. but tbh,we still have good match ups at the moment. Haye vs Povetkin/Chaegeav is pretty good. and a Klitschko vs Adamek aint too bad either. expect to see Haye fight Vitali in most likely october. (and should he win i expect haye to carry on till next year and fight wladimir,saying your retiring,and doing so is a totally different thing,and with haye yet to achieve his goals,why leave so soon,why retire young enough,sharp and fast enough with relfexes in tact still,with not many fight under the belt,little punishment taken,and with 2 big fights to have to achieve) i mean,haye cannot go on till bhop age,cuz the division just hasnt got enough worthy fights out there,but he could if he wanted,as you can be more effective at heavyweight when older aged.(but haye does rely on speed and relfexes i guess) only worthy fights out there:wlad,vitali,povetkin,adamek,arreola,chambers?,chageav?. 2 fights this year,3 fights next year. i dont see how haye could go beyond 2 and a half/3 years with how poor the opponents are in the division,i cant see him carrying on should he beat both klitschkos,well cant see him carrying on fighting anymore unworthy opponents should he beat k bros, tbh. he wont need the money or anything afterwards. just enjoy these fighters while their around. i try to watch and appreciate k bros,but i get so damn frustrated that they have such size and power over thier opponents,who arent powerful fast or skillfull,and yet the k bros dont let their hands go more,dont put more attack on their opponents,they should be knocking these guys out by the middle rounds at worst. the klitschkos have potential to be devastating and entertaining,while also smart and cautious still,but they arent fighting to thier most potential i dont think,they seem happy to cruise to easy late wins,and dont want to put on any performance to please the paying crowds and people watching around the world.

jknightx cant argue no more!. shame.lol. lol@ dvb , ok bro I am back just needed to make some money to pay the bills lol (did you miss me !)hahaha;

Besides Haye vs. a Klitschko, Haye vs. Povetkin is pretty much the most interesting heavyweight fight that can be made right now. I would like to watch it, even though its a disgrace that Haye vs. Klitschkos doesnt happen. Haye as a person is full of ****, but as a boxer i like him. Its just the other way around with the Klitschkos.

ye the klitschko are smart cunning men,they keep the media image of them the way they like it,and im sure behind closed doors and away from public view they are much different people. They are very cold and calculating in thier actions also.

I was not going to comment because I really believe this is an absolute waste of time but what the hell. I have read comments that implied that Wlad took the Chisora fight because he knew Haye would then not fight him in July. Well, there is one small detail that was not discussed. Wlad only took the Chisora fight when the April date with Haye ran up against the Royal wedding. And soon as Haye pulled out of the July fight what does Wlad do? He only negotiates with and settles on a date with the 4th ranked heavyweight in Adamek. The Chirsoa scheduling was a pure Chess move by Wlad. Wlad knew that it was impossible for Haye to secure a tuneup between January 1 and April 30th. And a tuneup AFTER April 30th would be too close to the agreed July 2nd date. So by scheduling Chisora, Wlad creates a situation where: HAYE ACCEPTS: He'll be inactive for 8 months, and Wlad gets the jump on a rusted fighter.. Just like what happened with Byrd 10 years ago. HAYE REJECTS: Haye is made to look like the ducker, and Wlad's glass chin is safe from all harm and damage. Wlad may be a coward, but he's no dummy. This was all brilliantly orchestrated, from the fake injury to the fake negotiations with Haye. Well done!

I was not going to comment because I really believe this is an absolute waste of time but what the hell. I have read comments that implied that Wlad took the Chisora fight because he knew Haye would then not fight him in July. Well, there is one small detail that was not discussed. Wlad only took the Chisora fight when the April date with Haye ran up against the Royal wedding. And soon as Haye pulled out of the July fight what does Wlad do? He only negotiates with and settles on a date with the 4th ranked heavyweight in Adamek. While Haye still does not have an opponent. Also, what is all this nonsense about Chagaev being plucked off of a beach? He was training for the tallest heavyweight champ in history so what could he have possibly done different because he was going to fight Wlad? I am sure he was already using the tallest heavyweight sparring partners he could find so what would he have done differently train to land his punches six inches lower? And Wlad dominated Chagaev so does anyone really believe he could have beat Wlad regardless of what he had done differently while sparring? And I will say as a Wlad fan that I don't want him to fight Chisora. Simply because he has not earned the right to fight for the title. However, at least he is young and hungry and in his prime and Haye still can't claim he fought anyone in their prime besides Enzo Mac. And my last point is the Chisora fight is little more then a paid sparring match for Wlad. And I for one have never seen Wlad look as if he is out of shape and I really see no problem what so ever with him being ready to fight Haye in July or August or when ever.

Ok Dvb and others I have to go for a bit,(need to get some work done) It was nice debateing with you guys,and lets all hope that we get some good fights and maybe a Haye Klitschko fight in the future take care,bbl Fair enough,i just want some people to use some own thought on who really is wanting to fight,and who is really to blame.instead of just blindly and instantly blaming haye. instead of blindly beleiving wlads every word and claims.and saying we should all just take wlads word for it,despite his word and claims being dubious. yes,i would have prefered haye to earn less and agree fights early on in 09,but that would have stopped the fight being unification in first instance. i really wished that setanta hadnt gone down,when that happened i did think haye would have to pull out of the wlad fight,that was sh*t timing from setanta. and you can see why haye wants to earn more,gain experience aswell maybe,before fighting klitshckos,and get better deals with his own belt helping possiblity of complete unification of all titles. also blame does go to the networks for not getting the dates close enough tbh. they should have moved khans date to may and haye for khans original date of april 16.sky that is.or a venue be made possible for earlier. or allowed a fight for wlad closer than april 30 so he does have full time to prepare and promote and atually fight haye when wlad is at his best condition. i think haye should and could have done more earlier on,but this time round i think he has done mostly everything he could to make the fight.he agreed germany,agreed split,changed his saureland contract to make it possible,agreed to minor things like name order and ring corner,german dr for wlad ect. i dont think wlad has really done or conceded anything to make the fight happen this time round,and hes blocked up later this year with adamek aswell. im not saying he should do,or has too,but he could do,youde think he would if he wanted too fight. .if its a unfication then both need to do thier bit to make sure they can fight ,and it is for each others titles. i just want the best to fight the best. in all reality it should be no 1 wlad vs no 2 vitali but they obvs. wont do that.so we will get either no3 haye vs no1 or no 2. i think its likely haye v vitali will have to be first,and will be in october time. i believe if haye does win we will see haye v wlad early next year in march time.

er,i think perhaps sky,german tv and hbo or showtime had to believe to wlads demands or the fight doesnt get broacasted!. its ok if wlad calls all our bluffs and ducks out??. deciding on who he wants is just mind games from haye,his opinion on which he wants first can change ok. now klitschkos siad they will fight for biggest tv network who offers the fight,boente agreed this on tv. then he said in interview he wouldnt go to hbo even if they offered more money,and would prefer showtime. they said vitali coudl fight first and he wouldnt have a problem with his mandatory. wlad said he would fight in england,seems like he wont now.haye agreed to germany. Ok Dvb and others I have to go for a bit,(need to get some work done) It was nice debateing with you guys,and lets all hope that we get some good fights and maybe a Haye Klitschko fight in the future take care,bbl

First Haye and Boothe have been the ones caught contridicting themslves time and time again.2ndly it ahs been Haye who has a history of pulling out of the fights not Wlad,.3 HAYE NOR ANYONE ELSE HAS TO BELIEVE WLAD, Haye just needed to sign the fight for july 2nd like it was agreed upond and then we could have found out for sure if Wlad was bluffing,but since Hyae just pulled out(again) we can never know and everything else is just opinion either way er,i think perhaps sky,german tv and hbo or showtime had to believe to wlads demands or the fight doesnt get broacasted!. its ok if wlad calls all our bluffs and ducks out??. deciding on who he wants is just mind games from haye,his opinion on which he wants first can change ok. now klitschkos siad they will fight for biggest tv network who offers the fight,boente agreed this on tv. then he said in interview he wouldnt go to hbo even if they offered more money,and would prefer showtime. they said vitali could fight first and he wouldnt have a problem with his mandatory. wlad said he would fight in england,seems like he wont now.haye agreed to germany. Funny how when you whistle people down to it,all people can say to defend wlad is "believe him,if he says he will fight fights so close,he will!",despite all the evidence that points against what he says" and that its hayes fault for not calling wlads bluff and wasting time doing so. despite the networks and WBA most likely not even buying into wlads claims and allowing the fight for july with chisora fight happening,to allow haye to call wlads bluff.

your not using logic.The fact is Wlad did not cancel the fight,Haye canceled it.That is the facts no matter what you argue,that is the facts. the truth is right there infront of you.you just blame haye,when its wlad whos to blame for this fight not happening. your argument is haye should believe wlad,even if he it is extremely hard to beleive him,he should call out wlads bluff,and waste his time to have wlad pull out. why should haye trust wlad,wlad pulled out in december,and couldnt even report the same injury and recovery date,and was spotted on a golf course. (haye had to pull out in 2009 v wlad cuz his tv went bust!,and vitali case i dont know for sure,but he got a title elswhere, and a chance to make the klits give him better contracts which has happened!,and hes given everyone a unification fight,something wlad and vitali wont ever do with each other,and hadnt done before haye was champion,blame wba and don king all you like,king got plenlty of super fights made before!) you cant argue this.your just ignoring all the b.s wlads done and said and still blame haye.lol. you say haye said fight is off im not signing to fight. i say wlad has made the fight off despite haye pulling out or not cuz of the date he is fighting this fight with chisora,that no one else wanted him to have,not even steward!. it is reported that wlad said im not signing contract and im going to fight chisora,so you(haye) go fight someone else and wele sign the contracts for july 2nd,after both us fight our seperate fights.

your argument is that we should believe his claims?.and its haye's fault for not believing wlads unlikely claims!.thats weak man. stop just taking wlads word on sh*t,hes clearly avoided haye this time round. and whats worse is he is fighting a non fight that is shameful and has no reason what so ever to do this next fight,atleast haye got money and demand for his sh*t fight,and he didnt con anyone into saying fraudley is good like wlad is saying about,he said he would destroy fraudley,and he did. are you not going to argue the facts on wlad and see how hard it is to believe that he would not and could not do what he claimed?. First Haye and Boothe have been the ones caught contridicting themslves time and time again.2ndly it ahs been Haye who has a history of pulling out of the fights not Wlad,.3 HAYE NOR ANYONE ELSE HAS TO BELIEVE WLAD, Haye just needed to sign the fight for july 2nd like it was agreed upon and then we could have found out for sure if Wlad was bluffing,but since Haye just pulled out(again) we can never know and everything else is just opinion either way