JMM dont deserve to fight Pac now. He has done nothing since moving up from 130

JMM has not done anything since he moved up from 130. His credentials above 130 are filled with fighters who are way past their primes, bums, shot, or at most fringe contenders that are probably between the level of mediocre to good fighters. The only fighter that didnt fit that description was Floyd. But c'mon that was a money fight so a guy in JMM's position had to take it. Too bad he was sVckered by his own promoter when Floyd snookered him to accepting his term before the weigh-in.. Here are JMM's fights since moving up in weight from 130.. Casamayor - was inactive for a year and was the benificiary of a robbery in his comeback fight against Sta. Cruz ( he should have lost that fight).. He looked awful against Katsidis, who was suppose to be an easy opponent since he basically had the advantage in terms of style. He was really shot by the time JMM fought him... Juan Diaz - He ruled the LW division before all the top guys from SFW moved up to LW.. And it was also the time when all top players like Corrales, Castillo moved up to 140, or guys like Casamayor, and Freitas were on their way out.. Plus by the time JMM fought him, he already lost to Campbell.. Mayweather - no argument there. It took balls from JMM to accept that fight. But on the other hand, it was a money fight with HBO/Golden Boy providing full promotion behind it.. So he would be an idiot if he would not accept such fight even though we all knew he was cherrypicked by Floyd. Too bad his own promoter didnt have his back on any aspect of the negotiations including after the contracts were signed. Eventually he lost that fight. So you cant give him credit for a fight that he didn't win even if the odds were against him.. Juan Diaz II - I dont understand why JMM agreed to a rematch.. JMM already knocked him out, plus Diaz was clearly already starting to get exposed as nothing more than a fringe contender especially after fighting Malignaggi. There was really no merit for Marquez to fight him again. Katsidis - Nothing more than a tune-up. He got big heart, but his skills is really sub par. The fact that a shot Casamayor knocked him out already gave you an indication on the level of fighter he really is... So there you go.. five fights since moving up to LW and WW.. Four of them in LW against fighters that didnt deserve to share in the same ring as JMM. The one fight that would have given him loads of credit, he lost..

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cotto and margo both won vacant belts..baldo was the linear champ..casa was linear at 135//twist it all u want those are facts We are not talkin' about belts or sanctioning bodies here..Cotto and Marg were the consensus top and better fighters at WW. While Campbell was the top dog at LW.

15y ago

LarryX

To say something like that is like comparing it to Floyd's lineal championship at WW.. He did beat Judah, and Baldomir but everybody knew that Mosley, Cotto, and Marg were the consensus top fighters in that time.. The same case here, Casamayor was the lineal champ (something that he didnt defend for a year), but there were like 3-4 fighters better than him in that weight class.. cotto and margo both won vacant belts..baldo was the linear champ..casa was linear at 135//twist it all u want those are facts

15y ago

mikemurni

he fought and beat the linear champ at 135..thats more than margo,clottey,and shane have done before they got a manny fight.. To say something like that is like comparing it to Floyd's lineal championship at WW.. He did beat Judah, and Baldomir but everybody knew that Mosley, Cotto, and Marg were the consensus top fighters in that time.. The same case here, Casamayor was the lineal champ (something that he didnt defend for a year), but there were like 3-4 fighters better than him in that weight class..

15y ago

LarryX

I agree. JMM needs get himself dominated and get brutally knocked the F out first, before he even start talking about facing the GOAT. He needs to learn. exactly...............

15y ago

LarryX

JMM needs to fight someone who is significant and a legitimate contender. I am not even asking him to do it WW. He can start by fighting someone at LW, eventhough that division has been depleted since last year.. he fought and beat the linear champ at 135..thats more than margo,clottey,and shane have done before they got a manny fight..

15y ago

mikemurni

I agree. JMM needs get himself dominated and get brutally knocked the F out first, before he even start talking about facing the GOAT. He needs to learn. JMM needs to fight someone who is significant and a legitimate contender. I am not even asking him to do it WW. He can start by fighting someone at LW, eventhough that division has been depleted since last year..

15y ago

goblin213

I agree. JMM needs get himself dominated and get brutally knocked the F out first, before he even start talking about facing the GOAT. He needs to learn.

15y ago

Bushid333

um what? He's more deserving then any other fighter. definitely more than Mosley and Margarito. Marquez has done a lot since he moved up.

15y ago

mikemurni

Julio Diaz and Freitas were top rated fighters at the time. Also the Lakva Sim was very solid win for Diaz...Diaz was also coming off a win over Katsidis. How was Corrales? And, you only lose lineal titles by retirement or moving up in weight. And, Casamayor was coming off a KO win over an undefeated top contender in Katsidis before fighting JMM. No Katsidis actually put in work to get his rankings by beating up and comers and wildly rugged vets. Like Escobedo, Chavez, and Mitchell. There is no shame in losing to the likes of Casamayor and Juan Diaz...There's bigger shame in getting a draw with the likes of Sergio Mora. I would favor Katsidis over Soto. And, maybe even over Guerrero but that could be more of a 50/50 fight. So did these fighters, I don't understand what you're trying to say. Diaz and Freitas were top rated fighters because guys like Corales, Castillo moved up to LWW, plus the top fighters in the SFW division has not moved up yet.. So in other words, Diaz was on top of a shallow LW divsion.. Casamayor only had one good fight and that was against Katsidis whom I dont really rate that high. He should have lose that lineal championship to Sta Cruz, to tell you the truth.. Katsidis when it was time for him to step up his competition, he lose.. And he lose against a shot fighter coming out of a long vacation.. There were only 3 fighters of merit in that division during 2008. It's Pac, Campbell, and JMM.. You could also add Valero and Guzman who were both undefeated..So other than Pac, which of these fighters did JMM fought... None.. It was different from the WW when you had Mosley, May, Marg, Cotto, Clottey, and Berto. You could add Williams but we really dont know what division he was campaigning at..Those were 7-8 names, and out of that Pac already fought 4. And in a span of 2++ years.

15y ago

jrosales13

Let me correct that. I dont want to get sh!tted based on semantics..They were not the top fighter, but they were one of the top fighters at WW. They were one of the top fighters because they were just losing among themselves. So their rankings were just switchin among each other.. No Margarito was not top rated at WW because he wasn't competing at WW any longer...And, hadn't won a fight at WW in over 2 years prior to facing Pac. Mosley is not top rated at WW either. I'm sorry if you only one win at WW in the last 3 and a half years you can not be considered a top rated WW. Again look at all JMM opponent and tell me which one had only win at LW for 2 or 3 years prior facing JMM.

15y ago

mikemurni

dude they werent top fighters when they fought manny..doesnt matter hi many fightes removed they were..they wernt top fighters,,, Let me correct that. I dont want to get sh!tted based on semantics..They were not the top fighter, but they were one of the top fighters at WW. They were one of the top fighters because they were just losing among themselves. So their rankings were just switchin among each other..

15y ago

jrosales13

Diaz were ranked high in the LW division with the departure of Campbell and Pac..But seriously who did he beat to get such rankings.. When he was undefeated he fought an old Julio Diaz and Freitas, who were both on the way out Julio Diaz and Freitas were top rated fighters at the time. Also the Lakva Sim was very solid win for Diaz...Diaz was also coming off a win over Katsidis. Casamayor should have never been ranked at all after an 12-14 month hiatus since he got the lineal title..He fought a drained Corales to get that lineal championship How was Corrales? And, you only lose lineal titles by retirement or moving up in weight. And, Casamayor was coming off a KO win over an undefeated top contender in Katsidis before fighting JMM. Katsidis was even worse.. All the top players either moved up to LWW or had retired by the time he was ranked high..Besides Soto and Guerero were better fighters than him.. No Katsidis actually put in work to get his rankings by beating up and comers and wildly rugged vets. Like Escobedo, Chavez, and Mitchell. There is no shame in losing to the likes of Casamayor and Juan Diaz...There's bigger shame in getting a draw with the likes of Sergio Mora. I would favor Katsidis over Soto. And, maybe even over Guerrero but that could be more of a 50/50 fight. At least Mosley, Marg, and Cotto moved down from the rankings after fighting among themselves or after being beaten by Pac or Floyd.. So did these fighters, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

15y ago

LarryX

Tell me what were the loses that took them out of that spot as one of the top WW's.. Clottey was ranked #5 when he fought Pac..Only Pac, May, Mosley, and Cotto was ahead of him.. Marg was taken out of the rankings because of the hand wraps controversy but really that one loss to Mosley would have not pulled him down that much since he was ranked #1 before that.. dude they werent top fighters when they fought manny..doesnt matter hi many fightes removed they were..they wernt top fighters,,,

15y ago

mikemurni

margo-wasnt a top fighter when he fought manny shanes-not a top fighter now clottey-never was a top fighter Tell me what were the loses that took them out of that spot as one of the top WW's.. Clottey was ranked #5 when he fought Pac..Only Pac, May, Mosley, and Cotto was ahead of him.. Marg was taken out of the rankings because of the hand wraps controversy but really that one loss to Mosley would have not pulled him down that much since he was ranked #1 before that..

15y ago

mikemurni

These are not top WWs. At one point of their careers, sure but not when Pac fights them which is what counts. So stop saying they're top WWs man. Marg was taken out of the rankings after the controversial hand wrap issue. But before he fought Mosley he was ranked #1 at that weight.. He had one fight that lose him that spot, and that was against Mosley...Mosley lose his spot after losing his fight against Floyd.. He had a draw against Mora, but seriously despite lookin' awful against Mora, he did win that fight...You see were I am gettin at.. Plus you cant really complain because Pac did fight all of them with the exception of Floyd.. You cant really compare that to the LW division because fighters were moving up in weight or retiring, thus bumping guys like Katsidis and Diaz in the rankings.

15y ago

Heeb

JMM has done plenty to deserve a fight with Pacquiao. But he's too small to fight Pacquiao at 147 or 140, and Pac aint going down to 135.

15y ago

mikemurni

If you're going by that stupid logic. Casamayor was the lineal champion. Diaz was a top 3 LW Katsidis was ranked #1 at LW by every respectable ranking. JMM fight is just as garbage as the Mosley fight. Diaz were ranked high in the LW division with the departure of Campbell and Pac..But seriously who did he beat to get such rankings.. When he was undefeated he fought an old Julio Diaz and Freitas, who were both on the way out Casamayor should have never been ranked at all after an 12-14 month hiatus since he got the lineal title..He fought a drained Corales to get that lineal championship Katsidis was even worse.. All the top players either moved up to LWW or had retired by the time he was ranked high..Besides Soto and Guerero were better fighters than him.. At least Mosley, Marg, and Cotto moved down from the rankings after fighting among themselves or after being beaten by Pac or Floyd..

15y ago

jrosales13

If Pac cannot get credit from you guys for fighting the top WW fighters like Clottey, Marg, Mosley and Cotto, what more for fighting JMM at WW at that.. Like I said, JMM should fight a legitimate WW before goin' against Pac to raise his profile.. Something that he lost since moving up to LW. These are not top WWs. At one point of their careers, sure but not when Pac fights them which is what counts. So stop saying they're top WWs man.

15y ago

LarryX

margo-wasnt a top fighter when he fought manny shanes-not a top fighter now clottey-never was a top fighter

15y ago

jrosales13

How can you say that Marg, Cotto, and Mosley were not the top WW's when their lose came against each other. Their not exactly losing against bum opponents.. Clottey was a good fight as a replacement for the Floyd fight..Other than Williams, he was the best option.. A lot can be said after the fight but that's because he was fighting Pac, but Clottey is one of the top WW's.. The 2 fights that you are referring to took place in 2008 at SFW.. Pac has done way more at the higher weights than JMM...And I said way, way more.. Because JMM has really done nothing significant at all (other than the Floyd fight) since moving up to LW... Easy, because they weren't/are not top WWs. When Pac fought them.

15y ago