The Punishers awoken & ready for April 30

why should he fight 160? he's a string bean. to prove that he can beat martinez in a rubbermatch? to prove that he's one of the best of this generation? to prove that he can win even if he's not fighting midgets? the lower weight classes (esp 154) is his class, not 160, 168, even though he could probably fight there, what purpose would it serve? bragging rights? accolades? esteem of colleagues? etc... to mullify any advantage he might have because he's so tall and so thin? he ain't too tall or thin for 160 lbs... like I said, all he needs is to work on his defense... he needs to improve, not lose weight. that's a cop out.

that's exactly what it means! it means he don't want nothing to do with 160 lbs even though if he just improved his defense he'd still be able to compete there. the only reason anyone goes to a lower weight division is because they know/think/believe that they will have a bigger size advantage beating up on midgets. team pwill isn't fooling anyone.... we know you ain't a great skilled boxer. you're just an unskilled freak of nature beating up on midgets. why should he fight 160? he's a string bean. the lower weight classes (esp 154) is his class, not 160, 168, even though he could probably fight there, what purpose would it serve? to mullify any advantage he might have because he's so tall and so thin?

Sorry but it does seem to me that he's trying to better himself in anyway. He refuses to accept that he was beat and KO'd because of a better opponent took advantage of his flaws, but simply considers it a "lucky punch". He refuses to want to avenge this lose, and wants to move back down to a weightclass where he really isn't going to get a shot at any of the big names there, but will be safe from heavy handed, big fighters that can exploit his flaws. Is it a smart move? sure. Will it make him a better fighter? no. If he can continue to make 147 then more power to him, but i don't think he can make 147 forever, and it's not going to change the fact he still is going to leave himself open to shots from opponents that aren't at such a reach and height disadvantage. the first paragraph is "jack loew" syndrome and I don't like it at all either.

and you're missing the point that moving down in weight isn't running from anything or proving that he doesn't want to improve. that's exactly what it means! it means he don't want nothing to do with 160 lbs even though if he just improved his defense he'd still be able to compete there. the only reason anyone goes to a lower weight division is because they know/think/believe that they will have a bigger size advantage beating up on midgets. team pwill isn't fooling anyone.... we know you ain't a great skilled boxer. you're just an unskilled freak of nature beating up on midgets.

and you're missing the point that moving down in weight isn't running from anything or proving that he doesn't want to improve. He lost already at 147 so your argument about his weight class holds 0 weight especially because you already stated that 147 is where he was exposed. Yes, he needs to work on correcting his flaws, so does every fighter, thanks for that. He could probably use a different trainer. His style should incorporate his freakish height, he should't fight higher weight classes because he's tall. You junking he looked drained at ww means absolutely zero, he didn't fight weight drained. If he can make 147, that's his class, it's not like he blows up to 165 by fight time. Sorry but it does seem to me that he's trying to better himself in anyway. He refuses to accept that he was beat and KO'd because of a better opponent took advantage of his flaws, but simply considers it a "lucky punch". He refuses to want to avenge this lose, and wants to move back down to a weightclass where he really isn't going to get a shot at any of the big names there, but will be safe from heavy handed, big fighters that can exploit his flaws. Is it a smart move? sure. Will it make him a better fighter? no. If he can continue to make 147 then more power to him, but i don't think he can make 147 forever, and it's not going to change the fact he still is going to leave himself open to shots from opponents that aren't at such a reach and height disadvantage.

Looks like Paul is finished with doing business at 160 lmao. I think that KO has scarred him forever.

The simple point i was making, that you seem to be to dense or are just pretending not to understand is that Cotto has faced serious loses against opposition who exploited his weaknesses, and has made serious decision to better himself as a fighter by bringing on a much better trainer. Will it make a difference? who knows, but it's an effort to become a better fighter. Williams is in the same position,'d rather move down to where he will be 9/10 the longer, heavier fighter, instead of taking the needed steps to correct his flaws and fight at a weightclass where he belongs and honestly where he has a real chance cause no one at 147 will fight him. and you're missing the point that moving down in weight isn't running from anything or proving that he doesn't want to improve. He lost already at 147 so your argument about his weight class holds 0 weight especially because you already stated that 147 is where he was exposed. Yes, he needs to work on correcting his flaws, so does every fighter, thanks for that. He could probably use a different trainer. His style should incorporate his freakish height, he should't fight higher weight classes because he's tall. You junking he looked drained at ww means absolutely zero, he didn't fight weight drained. If he can make 147, that's his class, it's not like he blows up to 165 by fight time.

The simple point i was making, that you seem to be to dense or are just pretending not to understand is that Cotto has faced serious loses against opposition who exploited his weaknesses, and has made serious decision to better himself as a fighter by bringing on a much better trainer. Will it make a difference? who knows, but it's an effort to become a better fighter. Williams is in the same position, but he'd rather move down to where he will be 9/10 the longer, heavier fighter, instead of taking the needed steps to correct his flaws and fight at a weightclass where he belongs and honestly where he has a real chance cause no one at 147 will fight him. The simple point I'm trying to make is that moving down to what he feels is his weight class has nothing to do with anything. you are asking the man to give up natural advantages that he has, which should be part of his fighting style. While I think 154 is a good weight for him, no one should judge what weight class he belongs at, he belongs at the one he can make and fight at. His height has nothing to do with anything. Of course he should try and get better, every boxer should try and correct his flaws. Lol, c'mon man. But this notion that his moving down is an attempt to hide from his flaws just doesn't hold water, the guy only went to mw because it was where he could get some money fights (pavlik/Sergio), he's not running from mw. Tell me this, if he never fought like 147 was too low a weight for him, why is it not his weight class? Because whoever you are thinks he looked drained? Lol at thinking fighters should move up because they're tall.

WTF why is he trying to fight at 147?

lol, cotto's at 154 cuz he got a gift belt vs yuri foreman and he's chasing money. You should probably try debating with someone who doesn't know what the fuk is going on. That weak argument isn't working here. The simple point i was making, that you seem to be to dense or are just pretending not to understand is that Cotto has faced serious loses against opposition who exploited his weaknesses, and has made serious decision to better himself as a fighter by bringing on a much better trainer. Will it make a difference? who knows, but it's an effort to become a better fighter. Williams is in the same position, but he'd rather move down to where he will be 9/10 the longer, heavier fighter, instead of taking the needed steps to correct his flaws and fight at a weightclass where he belongs and honestly where he has a real chance cause no one at 147 will fight him.

Interesting to see Williams & his trainer are going with the lucky punch theory aswell... As opposed to the "I should've kept my right hand up" theory.

I apologize if you feel that i have a problem with Williams, just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean i have a hatred for P-Will. All I'm saying is that Williams has a real chance to be great if he truly wants to be, but he would rather stay a big fish in a small pond. Sorry to burst your bubble, but just because Williams was able to make and be successful at 147 doesn't mean that he's a natural 147 lbs fighter, just looking at his body you can tell that the healthiest Williams looks is at 154+. He will continue to get no fights at 147 like he has his whole career, because no ww would comfortably fight a 6 foot tall volume puncher at ww, he's just too much of a threat because of that fact , but only at 147, which was the point i was trying to make. At 154 and 160 he can take on the best and could become a force to be feared, but that is if he wants to be. You mention Cotto but Cotto at the very least continues to try to fight the best out there and would rematch all his loses if given the chance. Cotto fights at 154 even though he has no buisness fighting at that weightclass and will probably lose sooner then later, but at least he has made the effort to become a better fighter, not a complete transformation into a Pac or Marg, but a better Cotto. Paul Williams is not trying to be a better fighter, but going back to where he could be the better fighter without improving himself and sooner or later another Martinez or Quintana will come along. lol, cotto's at 154 cuz he got a gift belt vs yuri foreman and he's chasing money. You should probably try debating with someone who doesn't know what the fuk is going on. That weak argument isn't working here.

For the record, Alfonso Gomez is scheduled to fight March 19th against a TBA at a TBA location on a card with Vanes, in what most likely will be a tune-up fight since he's had a year layoff and is coming off an injury as well. It's possible, but unlikely he fights Williams on April 30th. As to Williams making Welterweight, I doubt he can do it anymore, and 154 is relatively weak now. He can easily beat K-9 Bundrage at 154 if he wants a cheap belt and a tune-up. K-9 is physically strong and has heart, but is not skilled at all, has a weak chin, and doesn't bring much workrate to the table.

too bad you stopped there, if you had finished the sentence you get a better idea of what i ment. I never said he made 147 comfortably, or healthly just that he made that weight early in his career, but he always looked sickly at 147. He looked sickly? It doesn't matter how he looked to you. It matters how comfortable he was in making the weight. And, if he was comfortable, healthy, and wasn't weakened by making the weight. Then that weight-class is he's natural weight-class. I agree however that about early in his career. And, that he might struggle to make it now. That is why I would rather see him fight at 154. But, if he doesn't struggle and makes it healthy. Then by all means he should campaign at 147. Is that simple really. I don't even know what is there to debate.

Who told me Williams is struggling to make 147? no one, when did i say he was? I just said that it doesn't look health. once again you missed the point. What doesn't look healthy? Did you have a problem with Chico Corrales fighting at Jr. Lightweight back in the day?

Who told you or anyone else that Paul Williams is struggling to make 147? Did Paul Williams say this? What evidence have we seen that Paul Williams is emaciating himself to make 147? Cotto had to move to 154 because he can't make 140. He outgrew that weight class a long time ago. Who told me Williams is struggling to make 147? no one, when did i say he was? I just said that it doesn't look health. once again you missed the point.

Sorry you misunderstood, I wasn't saying anything about Cotto getting in the ring with Williams. I was simply saying that Cotto was succesful early on in his career, has taken some serious loses, and has made neccessary changes to better himself as an all around boxer, he didn't stop and say "well since i could handle a punch better at 140 i'm moving back now". williams should be taking advantage of the boom heading towards 154 and try to improve his skill and defense rather then just move down to where it won't be a problem. Who told you or anyone else that Paul Williams is struggling to make 147? Did Paul Williams say this? What evidence have we seen that Paul Williams is emaciating himself to make 147? Cotto had to move to 154 because he can't make 140. He outgrew that weight class a long time ago.

You really are sadly mistaken bro. First of all Miguel Cotto and Top Rank have never warmed to the idea of fighting Paul Williams. Arum was asked about matching Williams up on numerous occassions with Cotto. Arum BALKED at that idea everytime. He tried to use the height excuse as well. LMAO! Only COWARDLY PUNKS cry about height advantages. If height determines everything then the KLITSHKOS should be banned from the sport. Diego Corrales was a 6' JR. LIGHTWEIGHT. I didn't hear Mayweather crying about fighting him. He fought him and whooped his tall ass. Miguel Cotto and his team were afraid to take that chance. Oddly enough once Paul vacated his belt at 147, Miguel was fighting for that same belt against Michael Jennings. LMAO! It was pure comedy watching these welterweights like Cotto run scared of the big bad 6'2 WELTERWEIGHT KILLER! It took an effeminite Jr. Middleweight (sergio martinez) to step up to the plate and finally slay the dragon. Sorry you misunderstood, I wasn't saying anything about Cotto getting in the ring with Williams. I was simply saying that Cotto was succesful early on in his career, has taken some serious loses, and has made neccessary changes to better himself as an all around boxer, he didn't stop and say "well since i could handle a punch better at 140 i'm moving back now". williams should be taking advantage of the boom heading towards 154 and try to improve his skill and defense rather then just move down to where his flaws won't be a problem.

i told everyone that PW would not be able to take all those blows and be a top fighter for long i told them he would get KOd or start to slow down in the next three years and BAM!!!! THUS SAITH THE PROPHET Good job but it really wasn't that hard to predict Paul Williams would be ko'd if he didn't tighten up his D. Unfortunately for him he'll probably be ko'd again because he still doesn't realize his lack of defense is what cost him the Martinez rematch. He keeps talking about a lucky punch. That's not a good sign for his future.

the top dudes HIS size hit too hard....so I guess he'll train to become a zombie for the weigh-ins and try to overwhelm dudes much much shorter than him :lol1:....I mean thats how he made his mark If the man can make welterweight then he's a welterweight. Why is that so hard to understand? Arturo Gatti and Ricky Hatton walked around as high as 180 and then drained themselves to make 140. Yet I never heard to many people say they weren't legit Jr. Welterweights. Again, boxing divisions are broken down by WEIGHT not HEIGHT. When I wrestled, I weighed in at 145 and my height is 6'1. Guess what, I wrestled short, stocky guys that were stronger than me all the time. I had to use my height to counter their strength. The same applies to boxing.