The Economics of why some fights are PPV and some are not.

No they don't, as your post further explains. RJJ vs Hopkins 2, Mora vs Mosley, Holyfield vs Williams. Boxing fans are willing to pay for a fightcard of low quality What is "attractive enough" to you, isn't for someone else. If no one bought what you would consider "unattractive" PPV's they would not exist. Agreed. :boxing: Fine, fair point, I guess enough people buy them otherwise it would be a business with huge losses. I guess I was just talking on behalf of the people complaining that don't ;)

I have a question for you, Mr. Malone. If the NFL adds more games to the season, will those games be on PPV because of broadcasting budgets? NO! Ask yourself why that is, and then you'll see why we need boxing to get back on the networks. Comparing the broadcasting of NFL games to boxing matches is ridiculous.

This forum, and internet in general, is swamped with uninformed boxing fans who just flat out do not understand the economics of boxing on television. I'm far from an expert on the subject but I do have a basic understanding of it. The main reason a fight is on PPV instead of a network (IE HBO, Showtime, ESPN, Fox Sports, etc.) is money. The networks that broadcast have a budget to spend on broadcasting fights. They pick and choose certain match-ups that either they create or promoters come to them with a fight or card. They negotiate a price and choose to buy it or not. A large PPV card (like a Pacquiao fight for example) will make much more on PPV than what HBO or Showtime could offer for the fight. A small PPV card (like Adamek vs Club Fighter X) will not get a big money offer from any network, but they do know they will get enough money that it's worth setting up a PPV broadcast. And then there all the broadcasts in between. It's pretty simple but it's not that only the best are on PPV, the next step down is HBO and Showtime, and everything below that ESPN and Fox Sports. It's about economics, not just popularity or talent perception. There are very specific reasons fights are on PPV that you don't think should be, and it's not just to soak your wallet as a fan. I have a question for you, Mr. Malone. If the NFL adds more games to the season, will those games be on PPV because of broadcasting budgets? NO! Ask yourself why that is, and then you'll see why we need boxing to get back on the networks.

It's funny, HBO actually make money off PPV's but spend money on non PPV.

Whatever the cause is, it need to stop. PPV is a b!tch. I hate it with the passion. But as long as dumb fans keep giving them money they'll keep doing it. I dont think PPV will ever seize to continue, the only thing we can hope for is that we get value for the money, which could be come from significance of fight, star power, entertainment etc ...

Whatever the cause is, it need to stop. PPV is a b!tch. I hate it with the passion. But as long as dumb fans keep giving them money they'll keep doing it.

I remember after PAC-JMM 1 they negotiated a rematch but HBO only gave it a budget of 1.5 Million and could not offer more or elevate it to PPV so that everyone involve gets more money, because they said the first fight, just missed few/some points and did not met a certain degree of viewership, too bad that first fight was a FOTY contender and for sure a rematched would have been a classic ... while that negotiation failed Top Rank introduced Erik to the equation and brought with him his proven PPV numbers, Manny got his first guranteed million dollar purse ... IMHO popularity = money, fighters who are popular usually gets the PPVs ...

I'm sure everyone understands this, even the retards. No they don't, as your post further explains. But the issue is a matter of principle. Boxing fans are just not willing to PAY for a fightcard of low quality. RJJ vs Hopkins 2, Mora vs Mosley, Holyfield vs Williams. Boxing fans are willing to pay for a fightcard of low quality Despite everything, a ppv card should be attractive enough for someone to pay a decent amount of money for. What is "attractive enough" to you, isn't for someone else. If no one bought what you would consider "unattractive" PPV's they would not exist. Thank god for streaming. Agreed. :boxing:

This forum, and internet in general, is swamped with uninformed boxing fans who just flat out do not understand the economics of boxing on television. I'm far from an expert on the subject but I do have a basic understanding of it. The main reason a fight is on PPV instead of a network (IE HBO, Showtime, ESPN, Fox Sports, etc.) is money. The networks that broadcast have a budget to spend on broadcasting fights. They pick and choose certain match-ups that either they create or promoters come to them with a fight or card. They negotiate a price and choose to buy it or not. A large PPV card (like a Pacquiao fight for example) will make much more on PPV than what HBO or Showtime could offer for the fight. A small PPV card (like Adamek vs Club Fighter X) will not get a big money offer from any network, but they do know they will get enough money that it's worth setting up a PPV broadcast. And then there all the broadcasts in between. It's pretty simple but it's not that only the best are on PPV, the next step down is HBO and Showtime, and everything below that ESPN and Fox Sports. It's about economics, not just popularity or talent perception. There are very specific reasons fights are on PPV that you don't think should be, and it's not just to soak your wallet as a fan. I'm sure everyone understands this, even the retards. But the issue is a matter of principle. Boxing fans are just not willing to PAY for a fightcard of low quality. Despite everything, a ppv card should be attractive enough for someone to pay a decent amount of money for. Thank god for streaming.

Bump......................

I wish someone with a sharper understanding and better writing ability could make a thread and have it stickied. I see so many threads and posts about it.

Everybody has the idea that PPV means "fights too good to be on HBO or Showtime" Thats not it You have guys like Adamek and Holyfeild fighting on PPV because the networks wotn pick up their fights