Arum: Pac-Marquez will Happen if he’s no longer associated with Golden Boy

R.i.p. Gbp That is music to my ears. I'm not even going to lie if they close down shop I might throw a party. But, I don't think it's over especially so soon. I mean who have they lost really? Mosley? He was never a draw and is done as a fighter. Not a big lost at all. JMM? Maybe that one hurts right now. He's the best current fighter from Mexico and arguably the best active fighter in GBP. But, lets be real he's on his way out. He has 1 at the most 2 more years on the elite level and then is over for him. It might be over for him right after he fights Pac TBH. GBP still has some solid prospects that they can work and build. The question mark with Golden boy is can they build stars because they have some good young fighters that they could build around. They also have Canelo who is very popular Mexico kind of a rock star. If he can make the move to the U.S and is match right and develops to a good fighter that sky could be the limit for him. He's very young that he still can get better. They also have Khan who after every fight becomes more popular. Also a young fighter who already has top level talent and skills. GBP might be alright. But, we'll see.

Just because you had to actually sit and think of ways it benefits Top Rank doesn't mean it's right. I'm sorry, my friend, but none of that helps the sport. One promoter given free reign doesn't help the sport. And your theory that Pacquiao-Mosley helps the sport because a lot of people will watch it is so obtuse that I must in fact question whether or not you're some TR lackey. A lot of people would watch Tyson-Klitschko right now, want to address how that will benefit the sport? You'll no doubt find some way, I'm sure. I just don't get how high profile mismatches benefit the sport in anyway. Yes it benefits everybody who's involved pockets but not it doesn't benefit boxing.

R.i.p. Gbp

Way to counter my points, after I took the time to meticulously address yours :nonono: And I don't work for any Boxing related company, just telling you my POV on the matter at hand. You have a nice night though. Just because you had to actually sit and think of ways it benefits Top Rank doesn't mean it's right. I'm sorry, my friend, but none of that helps the sport. One promoter given free reign doesn't help the sport. And your theory that Pacquiao-Mosley helps the sport because a lot of people will watch it is so obtuse that I must in fact question whether or not you're some TR lackey. A lot of people would watch Tyson-Klitschko right now, want to address how that will benefit the sport? You'll no doubt find some way, I'm sure.

Do you work for Top Rank? Because your whole post reeks of what one of their senior management members might dream. All you're really saying is that this is good because it benefits Top Rank. Is this what you believe? Way to counter my points, after I took the time to meticulously address yours :nonono: And I don't work for any Boxing related company, just telling you my POV on the matter at hand. You have a nice night though.

That's where a stronger, more cohesive, and centralized commission would come into play. The fight most beneficial to a promoter's pockets is the one that the most amount of people would tune in/pay for. If Marquez and Mosley were both Top Rank fighters after Margarito, I guarantee you the same people crying about not seeing Pac-Marquez III would be crying about how Pac is fighting an old, blown up Marquez :lol1: Why? Because it is the fight that fans want to see, and if there's no rival promoter to deal with and no old grudges getting in the way, then it gets done in a matter of days like Pac-Mosley did instead of the 3 year saga we have with Pac-Marquez III not happening. What does that have to do with anything? It would be the commissions and doctors' responsibility to oversee a fighters health, as it is now. Don't see why that would change because of a promotional monopoly. Pacquiao-Mosley was by far the most lucrative option for Top Rank because once Shane jumped ship from Golden Boy (like Marquez is doing now) Arum would be the sole beneficiary of the promotional cut. Also killed two birds with one stone because it allowed him to secure the CBS/SHOW deal AND set the precedent for his fighter poaching. More marquee fighters under one banner mixed with public and network demand for certain match ups would lead to better fights with much greater frequency. Do you work for Top Rank? Because your whole post reeks of what one of their senior management members might dream. All you're really saying is that this is good because it benefits Top Rank. Is this what you believe?

I think the reason why we keep going on about how we fans will "hurt" without citing an example is because the examples are slapping you right in the face. There are many issues surrounding one promoter getting everything. For starters, who is overseeing the promoters? And all the rules and regulations they love to ignore? That's where a stronger, more cohesive, and centralized commission would come into play. What guarantee do you have that they will make a good fight and not one most beneficial to his pockets? The fight most beneficial to a promoter's pockets is the one that the most amount of people would tune in/pay for. If Marquez and Mosley were both Top Rank fighters after Margarito, I guarantee you the same people crying about not seeing Pac-Marquez III would be crying about how Pac is fighting an old, blown up Marquez :lol1: Why? Because it is the fight that fans want to see, and if there's no rival promoter to deal with and no old grudges getting in the way, then it gets done in a matter of days like Pac-Mosley did instead of the 3 year saga we have with Pac-Marquez III not happening. That they are concerned about any fighter's health? What does that have to do with anything? It would be the commissions and doctors' responsibility to oversee a fighters health, as it is now. Don't see why that would change because of a promotional monopoly. Now, let's look at the reality. Is Pacquiao-Mosley a fight we wanted? No. Is it a fight worth springing $60 for? No. Were there other options? Yes. Is the fight on PPV? Yes. Are all fighters in each camp treated fairly? No. And this will change because we give one promoter the power to do whatever he wants with no opposition? :lol1: Pacquiao-Mosley was by far the most lucrative option for Top Rank because once Shane jumped ship from Golden Boy (like Marquez is doing now) Arum would be the sole beneficiary of the promotional cut. Also killed two birds with one stone because it allowed him to secure the CBS/SHOW deal AND set the precedent for his fighter poaching. More marquee fighters under one banner mixed with public and network demand for certain match ups would lead to better fights with much greater frequency.

How sad is that. What a sad commentary on the sport. And so-called fans support it. Can't wait till these f*cks disappear. We aren't going anywhere. Like it or not, we're here to stay. **Deal with it** :bottle:

I see what Arum is doing here........ People may not like it but from a business standpoint, it's really a smart move. Also, I really could care less who is promoting these fights, as long as they happen (and are done right), then I'm all for it.

Right... You and dazed keep going on about how this will 'hurt' the fans but I've yet to see a single example of how. So please, educate me on how all the top fighters in the sport being under the same umbrella, possibly fighting on free TV in primetime, and fights not being harpooned by rival promoters, old grudges, and go-nowhere negotiations 'hurts' the fans exactly. I'm all ears... I think the reason why we keep going on about how we fans will "hurt" without citing an example is because the examples are slapping you right in the face. There are many issues surrounding one promoter getting everything. For starters, who is overseeing the promoters? And all the rules and regulations they love to ignore? What guarantee do you have that they will make a good fight and not one most beneficial to his pockets? That they are concerned about any fighter's health? Now, let's look at the reality. Is Pacquiao-Mosley a fight we wanted? No. Is it a fight worth springing $60 for? No. Were there other options? Yes. Is the fight on PPV? Yes. Are all fighters in each camp treated fairly? No. And this will change because we give one promoter the power to do whatever he wants with no opposition? :lol1:

yea, it works bot ways. i never defended golden boy, but whn dlh made his ignorant comments he was called out on it and schafer even went on record as panning them. arum is really going way too hard with this ****. and whats worse is u ppl as fans think its cool. i kno boxing aint the nba or nfl, but damn! its like u guys will buy anything sold to u without thinking about how it will actually hurt more than anything. Right... You and dazed keep going on about how this will 'hurt' the fans but I've yet to see a single example of how. So please, educate me on how all the top fighters in the sport being under the same umbrella, possibly fighting on free TV in primetime, and fights not being harpooned by rival promoters, old grudges, and go-nowhere negotiations 'hurts' the fans exactly. I'm all ears...

I don't care if there's a monopoly or if things remain decentralized. all I care is that the best fights happen and if it takes one promotional company (doesn't matter which one) to make those fights happen then I'm all for it monopoly. or if monopolies hinder the best fights from happening then I'm totally against it. bottomline, I just want to see the best fight the best.

Or they are owner/president of Golden Boy. yea, it works bot ways. i never defended golden boy, but whn dlh made his ignorant comments he was called out on it and schafer even went on record as panning them. arum is really going way too hard with this ****. and whats worse is u ppl as fans think its cool. i kno boxing aint the nba or nfl, but damn! its like u guys will buy anything sold to u without thinking about how it will actually hurt more than anything.

if u ask any industry insider, theyd say the same thing (unless they work for top rank). Or they are owner/president of Golden Boy.

smh....ppl actually think this is a good thing??? how much longer do u think arum will be around??? do u think ppl respect the other toprank heads half as much as they do him?? boxing will never be the ufc. never will one promoter dominate all the top talent, all of that is wishful thinking so basically all ur asking for is the top fights not to be made. take ur heads outta ur asses. this is in no way, shape or form good for boxing. if u ask any industry insider, theyd say the same thing (unless they work for top rank).

Ok, that has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand and you still haven't been able to tell me how the consumer suffers in this scenario and why anyone should care that GBP or any other promotional outfit is left in the dark when good fights are made and Boxing is back on mainstream free TV. But since you think it somehow benefits Boxing to have 8 separate negotiations (or non-negotiations depending on who you ask) spanning 5 years before a fight is made and no one cares anymore and old grudges stalling matchups, then you must love the sport as it's constructed now. Personally I think Empire trumps decaying Republic in this scenario and I'll welcome any Caesar willing to cross the Rubicon to right the system. We'll just have to agree to disagree. No, I don't think it benefits boxing to have eight separate negotiations. Just like I don't think it's good to pick one person and ask him to monopolize everything. Common sense.

He won't hesitate to make those matchups, he'll just pimp the lesser of the two fighters every time. Like he always does. And ignore any issue that's not one that makes him money. Like he always does. Or bend them over and f*ck em in the ass like he does Manny. Lucky for Pacquiao, he makes enough to where it's ok. Ok, that has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand and you still haven't been able to tell me how the consumer suffers in this scenario and why anyone should care that GBP or any other promotional outfit is left in the dark when good fights are made and Boxing is back on mainstream free TV. But since you think it somehow benefits Boxing to have 8 separate negotiations (or non-negotiations depending on who you ask) spanning 5 years before a fight is made and no one cares anymore and old grudges stalling matchups, then you must love the sport as it's constructed now. Personally I think Empire trumps decaying Republic in this scenario and I'll welcome any Caesar willing to cross the Rubicon to right the system. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

All fighters have one thing in common, they want to make the most $$$ possible. Right now that means fighting Pacquiao. If you fight Pacquiao your pretty much guaranteed a career payday.

You're making it seem like I'm painting Arum as some sort of Saint, but I know what he is, just as I know Oscar and King. They're all after one thing- $. But if Arum is sitting with Marquez, Bradley, Berto, etc in his pocket and he knows he makes the most $ possible no matter who wins with Manny, you think he'll hesitate to make those matchups? If CBS tells him they'll bankroll a boxing show every week or other week on a Saturday primetime slot and all he has to do is put together solid cards that would warrant their investment, you don't think he would if he had the talent to do it? And for the record, as bad as Don King's history is... he was known for putting together great cards from top to bottom when he had the roster to do it. He won't hesitate to make those matchups, he'll just pimp the lesser of the two fighters every time. Like he always does. And ignore any issue that's not one that makes him money. Like he always does. Or bend them over and f*ck em in the ass like he does Manny. Lucky for Pacquiao, he makes enough to where it's ok.

The answer isn't giving one promoter full control. Use your head and stop being a fourth grader. Bob Arum is just as bad as Don King, check his history. Not that you have to because he's a promoter :lol1:. And you think everything will become hunky dory because everyone else gets pushed out? Really? Why? Because he's Mother Theresa? Grow up. You're making it seem like I'm painting Arum as some sort of Saint, but I know what he is, just as I know Oscar and King. They're all after one thing- $. But if Arum is sitting with Marquez, Bradley, Berto, etc in his pocket and he knows he makes the most $ possible no matter who wins with Manny, you think he'll hesitate to make those matchups? If CBS tells him they'll bankroll a boxing show every week or other week on a Saturday primetime slot and all he has to do is put together solid cards that would warrant their investment, you don't think he would if he had the talent to do it? And for the record, as bad as Don King's history is... he was known for putting together great cards from top to bottom when he had the roster to do it.