Better Resume - Montiel or Darchinyan?

Fernando 'KO-chulito' Montiel (71% KOs): Notable victories: - TKO-4 Hozumi Hasegawa (Prime, had 10 defenses of his WBC bantamweight title. Went on to win WBC Featherweight title) - TKO-6 Pedro Alcazar (R.I.P) (Prime and undefeated. Was reigning WBO Super-Flyweight champion) - KO-7 Ivan Hernandez (Prime and undefeated. Was WBO Super-Flyweight champion) - TKO-7 Isidro Garcia (Prime, was reigning WBO Flyweight champion when Montiel beat him) - KO-4 Martin Castillo (Former WBA Super-Flyweight champion) - KO-1 Juan Domingo Cordoba (Former WBO Light-Flyweight champion) - UD-12 Jose Lopez (Later won WBO Super-Flyweight title) - KO-3 Rafael Concepion (Former Interim WBA Super-Flyweight champion) Loses: MD-12 to Mark Johnson (August 2003) Titles: - WBO Flyweight champion; Dec 2000 - Sep 2001; 3 defenses - WBO Super-Flyweight champion; June 2002 - August 2003; 1 successful defense. Lost title to Mark Johnson by MD 12. - WBO Super-Flyweight champion; April 2005 - May 2008; 7 successful defenses, relinquished title - Interim WBO Bantamweight champion; March 2009. 0 defenses. - WBO Bantamweight champion; Feb 2010 - present; 1 defense to date - WBC Bantamweight champion; April 2010 - present; 1 defense to date Accomplishments: - 4-time, 3-weight world champion. - Defeated 7 World champions, and 1 Interim champion. 18(14) - 2 (0) in World title fights (including 1 Interim title bout) ______________________________________ Vic 'Raging Bull' Darchinyan (69%). Notable wins: KO-9 Christian Mijares (Prime, undefeated in title fights (9-0) inc Interim bouts and was unified WBA Super/WBC Super Flyweight Champion; current IBF super-flyweight champ) TKO-11 Irene Pacheco (Prime, undefeated 7-0 in title fights. was reigning IBF Flyweight champ) RTD-11 Jorge Arce (10-2 in world title bouts coming into fight with Vic.. 8-0 in Interim fights. 18-2 overall in title fights) KO-2 Tomas Rojas KO-5 Dmitry Kirillov (was reigning IBF super-flyweight champ when he fought Vic) TKO-12 Victor Burgos (former IBF light-flyweight champ) TKO-4 and KO-5 Wandee Singwancha (former interim WBC minimum weight; interim WBC light flyweight; Loses: TKO-5 to Nonito Donaire (July 2007) (defending his IBF & IBO Flyweight titles) UD-12 to Joseph Agbeko (July 2009) (attempting to win IBF Bantamweight title) SD-12 to Abner Mares (Dec 2010) (defending IBO Bantamweight and attempting to win vacant WBC Silver Bantamweight title) Titles: - IBF Flyweight champ ; 6 defenses. Lost title to Nonito Donaire (TKO-5). - IBO Flyweight champ ; 5 defenses. Lost title to Nonito Donaire (TKO-5) - IBO Super-Flyweight champ Vacated. - IBF super-flyweight champ . Vacated - WBA Super World/WBC super-flyweight champ ; 3 defenses. Vacated. - Lineal Super-Flyweight world title 2008-2010; 3 successful defenses. - Undisputed Super-Flyweight World Champion (WBA, WBC, IBF) Vacated IBF title, therefore losing "undisputed title". - IBO Bantamweight champ ; 0 successful defense; lost title to Abner Mares SD-12. Accomplishments: - Two-weight world champion (3 if you include IBO titles) - Former Undisputed/Lineal Super Flyweight champion - 13 (10) - 3 (1) in world title fights (including IBO).

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The thing that stands out for me on Vic's resume is that he was undisputed champion at Super-Flyweight (only the 2nd one in history), and the fact that he achieved this after getting KTFO by Donaire. So I have mad respect for Vic for coming back from a devastating loss like that. Not only did he improve, but he stuck by his guns - he didn't really change his style and still went around KO'ing opponents for fun. He's yet to prove himself at BW though, with losses to Agbeko and Mares, the latter of which is disputeable. Both of Montiel's losses are less clear cut that Vic's loss to Agbeko, and obviously his KO to Donaire. With different judges, he could very well have won decisions over Gonzalez and Johnson or at least got draws. Moreover, Montiel is proven at BW and is a 3-division champ. That's whyt I'm probably leaning towards Montiel having the better resume.

15y ago

Heru

The Hasegawa and Mijares wins do basically cancel each other out because they were both top 10 P4P when Montiel and Darchinyan knocked them out, but I would have to give a slight edge to the Hasegawa win because of the 1st round KO streak HH was on, it taking place in Japan, and for what's taken place since then. Overall, it's just as tough a call, a tossup. If I had to pick 1, I'd say I'm leaning toward Darchinyan.

15y ago

40909

Vic's power hasn't really travelled up with him, but I'd say he's got enough power to be more than dangerous at 118. Montiel is definitely the biggest puncher in the division though.

15y ago

Shadows

Never seen moreno fight but from what i hear on here he is a boring fighter who hasnt beaten many quality fighters and when he fought cermeno he struggled. The first fight was close, could go either way, but he won a close but clear one in the second fight with Cermeno. In addition, Cermeno is an ugly fight for just about everyone at bantamweight. He's a good fighter, but his dirty tactics and constant movement make it even worse for opponents. Haven't seen his fight versus Terrazas though. Naw he has a very thin resume his best win is againts siderenko and rojar which are not bad but not to good. He should face more named fighters or good prospects How are his two wins versus Sidorenko not good? Sidorenko should have lost to Agbeko, sure, but he still beat Poonsawat clearly (although he didn't shut him out as one card suggested) and deserved a win over Cordoba in the first fight (haven't seen the second). Plus, in the end, Sidorenko was a pretty good fighter and highly ranked bantamweight and Moreno decisioned him twice, in Germany. Not bad for a guy who can't punch.

15y ago

jrosales13

Naw he has a very thin resume his best win is againts siderenko and rojar which are not bad but not to good. He should face more named fighters or good prospects Syderenko was a very good win at the time. And, it was 2x...That version of Syderenko was a better version than the one that Donaire faced. Also has a win over Monshipour who was rated at the time. Donaire hasn't done anything to be ranked ahead of Moreno at 118. Montiel has the better singular win in Hasegawa but overall body of work at 118 he's is not better than Moreno. The only one with the body of work at 118 that is better than Moreno is Agbeko(another underrated fighter)body of work. And, that is why I said arguably.

15y ago

jrosales13

thats coz moreno is a fukking giant compared to vic........... That is also very true. I mean Moreno is like a couple inches taller than Donaire is. So Moreno is pretty big for the weight-class and even just now has ballooned up to like 140. But, not only does he have the size advantage over Vic. He also has the skills and boxing IQ over Vic.

15y ago

puga

Because at 118 Moreno is levels above Vic. I mean levels above Vic...Vic would bring nothing to the table that would bother Moreno. Nothing. thats coz moreno is a fukking giant compared to vic...........

15y ago

jrosales13

Never seen moreno fight but from what i hear on here he is a boring fighter who hasnt beaten many quality fighters and when he fought cermeno he struggled. Depends on what your definition of boring is. He has beaten quality fighters so much so that he could arguably ranked #1 at 118 due to the quality fighters he has beaten and overall body of work at 118. Cermeno is not a bad fighter at all. And, I would favor Cermeno to beat Vic also. The first fight was close but Moreno edged it out. The 2nd fight was a more clear cut victory for Moreno. Cermeno was not only a bad style match up but Cermeno is a very rough and dirty fighter. He has only lost once by split decision in a 4 round fight years ago. Moreno is arguably the most underrated fighter in the sport right now. He's not as good as Whitaker. But, he's the closest thing to Whitaker we have right now. Truly brilliant and skilled fighter. Doesn't have any pop but has great ring generalship.

15y ago

jrosales13

And why not? Because at 118 Moreno is levels above Vic. I mean levels above Vic...Vic would bring nothing to the table that would bother Moreno. Nothing.

15y ago

40909

:haha: :haha: And why not?

15y ago

jrosales13

He'd beat Koki Kameda, and would give Moreno a run for his money. :haha: :haha:

15y ago

40909

Well vic cant even get a tittle at 118 i dont see how he could get one at 122. Montiel>>>>darchynian He'd beat Koki Kameda, and would give Moreno a run for his money.

15y ago

40909

Is he more of a man that Fabregas, or Van Persie?

15y ago

40909

bump......

15y ago

40909

A win over prime-Donaire would look great on either man's resume. However both are probably future hall of famers as it stands, and still have a few years left to try to win titles at 122lbs..

15y ago

AFighter4U

I have to wait and see, right now Montiel has a chance to do something that Darchinyan failed to do that is to beat Nonito Donaire. If he losses this fight it means his KO percentage drops a little lower and another 1 to his lose.

15y ago

40909

Winner of that fight should be number 5 P4P (Behind Pac, Floyd, Martinez and JMM). However since both are rated top-10 at the moment, the winner could go in at number 4 ahead of JMM.

15y ago

STREET_CLEANER

I say its similar cause they beat some guys when it really matter especially Vic/Mijares and Montiel/Hasagawa. Vic/Mares could had gone the other way. If Vic wins against Perez and gets a rematch with Mares and wins the argument might thicken especially if Montiel beats Donaire. IMO if Montiel beats Donaire in an impresionable fashion he should shoot up the P4P rankings

15y ago

Eaner0919

I see. Well, I apologize Eaner. I did not know Isidro's nickname. all good I just like debating rather than all this racial/nationalistic BS this board is now littered with

15y ago

40909

It's £-4-£, not E-4-E lol.

15y ago