What fighter out of these have the worst resume?
Joe Louis
Cassius Clay
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchko
sometimes I think there's FEW boxing fans here...more fanboys than ACTUAL fans of the sport....but its certain posts and things that make me feel like...YES, there's STILL dudes on here who love the game more than the players....this poll is one of them....I don't care who's ahead, I voted Marciano for the record...but I see Lennox Lewis has ZERO votes....thats whats up!!!...Lennox Lewis is the 2nd greatest HW ever in my book....his resume consists of dam near every relevant HW of his era....he handled EVERY man he EVER faced....and before I get outta here.....for those who think Vit would've handled Lewis in a rematch....think again :boxing:
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That HAS to be sarcasm. Ali might have the best resume of all time.
I've seen several of the fighters Ali fought including the fights with them and they did nothing special. They were too small to live in todays heavyweight division I'm afraid. Let alone beat a Klitschko.
what is this myth about big guys in the division? Valuev sucks, a million year old Holyfield beat him. Haye is a cruiserweight. Adamek is a lightheavyweight. these are the top guys in the division.
The only good big guys in the division are the Klitschko brothers. and Wladimirs best win is still over a mostly unremarkable natural lightheavy/cruiserweight.
You do NOT have to be a big guy to have success in the division.
LOL at the guys who said marciano
you guys must be vegetarians or something
it's Wladimir for the loss and nobody comes close
close fight with sam peter
and three stoppage losses..
yeah, he's put together a good run
and his resume might not really outline his greatness (he is a great boxer, along with the rest of those men)
but his resume in this context isnt as impressive as his counterparts
They were small and one dimensional. No better than a modern day David Tua. Wlad and Vitali would make easy work of either in my opinion. All Quarry had was a good left hook. Tommy Morrison had more in the kitty.
Oh okay thanks for letting me know I was dealing with a special kid.
Its clear you either don't know what the **** your watching or you've never seen them fight, I would break down their skillsets but its obvious there would be no point, ****ing retard child.
What fighter out of these have the worst resume?
Joe Louis
Cassius Clay
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchko
It's Marciano hands down. Wlad beat some good young fighters in convicing faction, Marciano beat 137 year old Louis and only a third of his opponents came off wins when he fought them. Learn your history kids, Wladimir is actually pretty good considering this era, he's at least par with Tyson if not better IMO.
Well done on research and all, but you still fail to realize my point. I'm not comparing them to Wladimir. I'm simply saying Wlad does not have the weakest resume' on that list. I can't dispute your lists as I don't know what those fighters were ranked at the times they fought Ali and Louis but I can tell you the only reason I even know most of those guys names are because they did face Ali and Louis. The rankings you show sound a little high and maybe that shows the state of the division ay thos era's as well. Not because they were truly great fighters or anything. I don't see anyone on that list who definitely beats both Klitschko's if that means anything. But nice try.
Guys like Alejandro Lavorante, Doug Jones, Karl Mildenberger, Jerry Quarry, Joe Bugner, Chuck Wepner, Jimmy Young, Leon Spinks wouldn't even be in the top 25 today. I won't even touch on Louis' record. No need to.
thats outrageous. a light heavyweight like Tomas Adamek can be #4 in the division, while Jerry Quarry couldnt? the #3 in the division arguably should have lost to someone that got a gift over a 45+ year old Holyfield.
ridiculous. if anything todays HW era is terrible, and Im just trying to be objective with you.
and by your same logic, no one that either Klitschko beat comes close to beating anyone on this list. doesnt mean their records are **** either.
you just think theye garbage because you have no idea who they were. just as no one will recongnise guys like Brock, Johnson, etc on the Klitschko brothers list in ten years, but Im still going to give them credit for the wins.
Well done on research and all, but you still fail to realize my point. I'm not comparing them to Wladimir. I'm simply saying Wlad does not have the weakest resume' on that list. I can't dispute your lists as I don't know what those fighters were ranked at the times they fought Ali and Louis but I can tell you the only reason I even know most of those guys names are because they did face Ali and Louis. The rankings you show sound a little high and maybe that shows the state of the division ay thos era's as well. Not because they were truly great fighters or anything. I don't see anyone on that list who definitely beats both Klitschko's if that means anything. But nice try.
Guys like Alejandro Lavorante, Doug Jones, Karl Mildenberger, Jerry Quarry, Joe Bugner, Chuck Wepner, Jimmy Young, Leon Spinks wouldn't even be in the top 25 today. I won't even touch on Louis' record. No need to.
Yeah they would especially Young and Quarry, but you've obviously never seen them, and I'd favor Young over Wlad, also just out of curiosity who do you think has a weaker resume than Wlad?
If the KO% doesn't matter than neither does Tyson's. He knocked out none of the good opponents he faced. There's the problem with your claim.
Hell, by that statement , why even keep fighters records or their KO% at all?
actually Tyson KOed Berbick, Thomas, Biggs, Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, Williams, Ruddock, Seldon, and Golota(you can discount that last one if you want).
all good considered good, top fighters while he was fighting.
KO% doesnt matter, its who you beat and how. KOing is just another way to win, although like you I prefer the KO.
simply having a KO doesnt make the win greater. Dominance does, yes, which is why I give the brothers plenty of credit for their exellent, dominant performances, as long as theyre fighting good fighters.
Ok if you want to say that is a good win, Louis and Ali both didn't face all top rated guys either. Are you familiar with the bum of the month club?
Wlad and Vitali are continually cleaning out the division. They fight every ranked fighter that will fight them. There's nothing else they can do. So there you have it.
no, Ali nor Louis didnt face EVERY top guy out there. luckily, I know which ones were top and which ones were not. Here you go:
Muhammad Ali
Alejandro Lavorante - No. 10
Archie Moore - No. 5
Doug Jones - No. 3
Henry Cooper - No. 9
Sonny Liston - World Heavyweight Champion
Sonny Liston - No. 1
Floyd Patterson - No. 1
George Chuvalo - No. 9
Henry Cooper - No. 4
Karl Mildenberger - No. 3
Cleveland Williams - No. 3
Ernie Terell - No. 1
Zora Folley - No. 2
Jerry Quarry - No. 1
Oscar Bonavena - No. 3
Jimmy Ellis - No. 7
Mac Foster - No. 6
Jerry Quarry - No.2
Floyd Patterson - No.3
Bob Foster - World Light-Heavyweight Champion
Joe Bugner - No. 8
Ken Norton - No. 2
Joe Frazier - No. 1
George Foreman - World Heavyweight Champion
Chuck Wepner - No. 9
Ron Lyle - No. 8
Joe Bugner - No. 4
Joe Frazier - No. 2
Jimmy Young - No. 3
Ken Norton - No. 2
Ernie Shavers - No. 5
Leon Spinks - World Heavyweight Champion
Top 10 Rated Opponents (including Light-Heavyweight Champion): 32(31 without LHWs)
Joe Louis
Lee Rampage - No. 10
Patsy Perroni - No. 6
Natie Brown - No. 10
Primo Carnera - No. 4
King Levinsky - No. 10
Max Baer - No. 1
Charley Retzlaff - No. 4
Jack Sharkey - No. 4
Al Ettore - No. 3
James Braddock - World Champion
Tommy Farr - No. 3
Nathan Mann - No. 3
Max Schmeling - No. 1
John Henry Lewis - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Tony Galento - No. 3
Bob Pastor - No. 2
Johnny Paychek - No. 5
Arturo Godoy (2) - No. 1
Red Burman - No. 4
Buddy Baer - No. 5
Billy Conn - World Champion at Light-Heavyweight
Lou Nova - No. 1
Buddy Baer - No. 4
Abe Simon - No. 6
Billy Conn - No. 1
Tami Mauriello - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Jersey Joe Walcott - No. 1
Lee Savold - No. 4
Cesar Brion - No. 8
Top 10 Rated opponents: 30(28 without LHWs)
Wladimir Klitschko:
Peter, Thompson, Brewster, Byrdx2, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chagaev, McCline, and Chambers
10
Vitali Klitschko:
Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Chris Arreola, Juan Carlos Gomez, Sam Peter.
5
is that enough for you?
Also, just to throw this out there. Joe Frazier's resume is pitiful. Just because he beat Ali once doesn't automatically deem him an ATG. His record is pathetically thin next to Wladimir's. This does actually make a great case of how little boxing knowledge people on this site have. name value means everything to the boxing scene. If this poll was done in Germany or Ukraine, what would be the result?
The poll would be wrong put it that way lol
I said he beat good fighters. Check his resume. Fighters like Pea Wolfgram are considered good with records like 17-1, etc. That's what I mean by good fighters. You are twisting my words. Before I mentioned his good wins on his resume. Also, I understand you have an opinion. You are entitled to it and I am entitled to mine.
right. and Paea Wolfgramm is not good. Maybe its just our definitions of 'good; that are clashing, but when I say 'good', I mean they were top guys in the division and relevant. Wolfgramm was a clubfighter at best.
a good record doesnt make a good fighter. I can pull up limitless examples if you would like.
Nobody is overrating Vitali. He's the only one of the two brothers to actually prove his ranking all time from lineage. Wlad didn't get the oppritunity. Plus, there's a strong case that Vitali has actually never been beaten and not only has he never been down & holds the record for the highest KO% of any heavweight champ in history, he also has the best + - connect ratio. That says something. The way Vitali is fighting right now I would say that probably nobody in history could beat him outside of a lucky punch or injury.
highest KO% doesnt actually say anything, especially when you consider only 5 fighters that Vitali beat were actually relevant fighters in the division.
in reality, Vitali has only KOed 71% of the good fighters hes faced. which is actually still decent, but you cant wish away him quitting against Byrd or getting his face torn apart by Lewis.