Yeah, Ward vs. Calzaghe would definitely have been an interesting fight. But at the same time I can’t blame Calzaghe for getting out when he did. I think a lot of boxers plan to retire in their late 30’s, but for whatever reason end up staying in the game too long. That said, if that’s the way you want to do it, fine, but I also don’t have any disrespect for anyone getting out early.
No your lying, I have seen almost every fight calzaghe has been in, I have his dvd. He has always cuffed with his punches a little, and that is probably a factor as to why he had hand trouble later on in his career, but he turned his punches over way better in the early part of his career, and it was only really after evans ashira which was his 2nd major hand break that he started slapping a lot more. If you watch his early fights, I mean the first 15-20 he turns his punches over extremely well, scores knockdowns, and throws with power. If you look at his amateur footage, even his only amateur loss there is nothing wrong with his punching technique. There are many fighters who have gone on record to say how heavy handed he is, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell, and Richie Woodhall to name a few.
Yes many of his stoppages came from flurries but that was his style, to overwelm his opponent rather than pick the ko punches, and why wouldn't he do that his speed was too much for most 168lbers. Yes there were premature stoppages, but not his fault to be honest it was a hard job for the referee becasue he threw so many unanswered punches, and when fighters were hurt or staggered it did look as though they couldn't defend themselves.
Overall he really was a tremendous fighter, he could fight in so many different ways and thats why he was so difficult to beat, it was to his credit that he became more boxer than fighter after his hand trouble. He was so adaptable because he could brawl if need be ie mitchell, eubank, he could pressure more skillful opponents ie. hopkins, he could out-box big punchers ie. lacy kessler. No one could match his workrate and he had a great chin, and the times he did get dropped and rocked his head clears so quickly like marquez. He had a true fighters heart, and when he would get hit he had that erik morales about him where he had to answer straight back.
His resume is not great, but it is not poor either. It was solid...he had 1 great career win against hopkins, a very good win against kessler, and a lot of decent, solid wins, lacy, eubank, woodhall, brewer, bika, mitchell, jones, reid. Lke most fighters he is underrated by some and overrated by others, my opinion is that he would have competed in any era of 160-175 because of the qualities he possessed. In his era, only 2 fighters are above him imo and thats jones and hopkins, I would have calzaghe above james toney, some wouldn't but I would. Although Toney was a more skilled fighter, calzaghe had intangible qualities that Toney doesn't have. Out of the current crop only Ward could potentially beat calzaghe, it would be an ugly fight and I agree with people that say it would like hopkins fight, but calzaghe would maybe have more success on the inside against ward.
Fantastic post...cUnts need to get real...Joe is a HOFer if not and ATG...take it or leave it.
He would of made it ciompetitive....but I just dont subscribe to this 'He would blast everyone in sight' theory.........Him against Ward would be a very competitive fight and possibly Dirrell/Bute (eventhough Bute aint in the Super Six)
The way Clazaghe is being talked about in this thread...you would think he was an atg, but he is merely a HOF, nothing more....
at 168 he is an atg..probally the best 168 fighter ever in its short history
:lol1:. Calzaghe would get beat by Ward, Dirrell, Froch and Johnson. He might squeeze a SD win against Green and Taylor but that's it.
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Dirty Joe would never be in the Super 6. There wouldnt have been a super 6. It would have been the Super 1, and 6-7 other guys who get beat by him.
I think Dirrell would be a problem if he came with the right game plan.
He is decisively faster than Joe.
Dirrell seems like a bit of a bottler though.
I'd favor him over all the other.
Imagine Calzaghe vs Arthur......lol.
Bottler, indeed. I don't think he has the fortitude to match his considerable athletic talents by a long shot. I can't imagine him beating a fast, skilled volume puncher with a chin and massive stamina.
I think Dirrell would be a problem if he came with the right game plan.
He is decisively faster than Joe.
Dirrell seems like a bit of a bottler though.
I'd favor him over all the other.
Imagine Calzaghe vs Arthur......lol.
I'm still kind of dissappointed that Calzaghe retired when he did. I thought that he still had a couple more great performances left in him and surely a win against then undefeated Chad Dawson (a proposed fight at the time) would have helped his legacy....
Me too. And I believe he'd have beaten all of these guys, by varying margins. Which is what's sad about it.
Ward and Dirrell would both give him a handful, and Froch at the very least would make Calzaghe work, though I think Calzaghe beats him by a pretty wide point margin.
flat out lies. you just exposed yourself badly. you obviously haven't seen his early fights where he gets all his stoppages from slapping the guy once or twice and he's not even hurt. why do calzaghe fans not watch his fights? aren't you a fan?it's like you don't want to see the truth and i don't blame you although it is hilarious so i recommend it. you do realize people have access to his fights so your lies can be debunked right? you can't change reality no matter how hard you try!
No your lying, I have seen almost every fight calzaghe has been in, I have his dvd. He has always cuffed with his punches a little, and that is probably a factor as to why he had hand trouble later on in his career, but he turned his punches over way better in the early part of his career, and it was only really after evans ashira which was his 2nd major hand break that he started slapping a lot more. If you watch his early fights, I mean the first 15-20 he turns his punches over extremely well, scores knockdowns, and throws with power. If you look at his amateur footage, even his only amateur loss there is nothing wrong with his punching technique. There are many fighters who have gone on record to say how heavy handed he is, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell, and Richie Woodhall to name a few.
Yes many of his stoppages came from flurries but that was his style, to overwelm his opponent rather than pick the ko punches, and why wouldn't he do that his speed was too much for most 168lbers. Yes there were premature stoppages, but not his fault to be honest it was a hard job for the referee becasue he threw so many unanswered punches, and when fighters were hurt or staggered it did look as though they couldn't defend themselves.
Overall he really was a tremendous fighter, he could fight in so many different ways and thats why he was so difficult to beat, it was to his credit that he became more boxer than fighter after his hand trouble. He was so adaptable because he could brawl if need be ie mitchell, eubank, he could pressure more skillful opponents ie. hopkins, he could out-box big punchers ie. lacy kessler. No one could match his workrate and he had a great chin, and the times he did get dropped and rocked his head clears so quickly like marquez. He had a true fighters heart, and when he would get hit he had that erik morales about him where he had to answer straight back.
His resume is not great, but it is not poor either. It was solid...he had 1 great career win against hopkins, a very good win against kessler, and a lot of decent, solid wins, lacy, eubank, woodhall, brewer, bika, mitchell, jones, reid. Lke most fighters he is underrated by some and overrated by others, my opinion is that he would have competed in any era of 160-175 because of the qualities he possessed. In his era, only 2 fighters are above him imo and thats jones and hopkins, I would have calzaghe above james toney, some wouldn't but I would. Although Toney was a more skilled fighter, calzaghe had intangible qualities that Toney doesn't have. Out of the current crop only Ward could potentially beat calzaghe, it would be an ugly fight and I agree with people that say it would like hopkins fight, but calzaghe would maybe have more success on the inside against ward.
Daggum, I seriously think you underrate Calzaghe. Look, if Calzaghe only slaps and has no power as you persistently go on about .
why the hell did Hopkins not walk him down?
Why did Hopkins fake low blows,and was sucking wind after the six round, and looked really OLD and washed up?
After the fight, Roach said,” I will not train Hopkins anymore, he is too old,and should retire, I would hate to see him hurt.”
The only way to truly see how good Calzaghe is, is to watch the Hopkins fight prior to Calzaghe and his two fights since.
I stand in ore that Calzaghe was the only man able to make Hopkins look old and washed up.
AMEN!!!
Im sure all the money Joe has he is not worried about the haters bagging him out...I mean slapping...comeon...*****z not hittin like Tyson and they on his back!!...He would beat all in the super six...maybe Struggle with Ward unless he came back extremly fit...but yes...Calzaghe...Now...would do it...please come back Joe 168 sux without you...everybody with any hype behind them is being found out...including my favorite!...rematch Hopkins at least!!
yea he made calzaghe land nearly zero. he shut him down from landing punches so how did calzaghe win? just for trying really hard lol. learn how to score fights.
Daggum, I seriously think you underrate Calzaghe. Look, if Calzaghe only slaps and has no power as you persistently go on about .
why the hell did Hopkins not walk him down?
Why did Hopkins fake low blows,and was sucking wind after the six round, and looked really OLD and washed up?
After the fight, Roach said,” I will not train Hopkins anymore, he is too old,and should retire, I would hate to see him hurt.”
The only way to truly see how good Calzaghe is, is to watch the Hopkins fight prior to Calzaghe and his two fights since.
I stand in ore that Calzaghe was the only man able to make Hopkins look old and washed up.
Calzaghe retired at exactly the right time in my opinion. If he had fought on and beat either Dawson or Pavlik when they were undefeated, they would have been dismissed as over-hyped, and this would have continued until someone finally managed to beat him.
As for the Hopkins fight, I scored it 114-113 for Hopkins, it could have gone either way but I have no sympathy for Bernard and do not blame the judges for favouring Calzaghe's aggression. The reason Calzaghe and other opponents couldn't beat him "decisively" is because he is an extremely negative, dirty fighter who would do anything to avoid defeat, including constantly holding, headbutting, and faking low blows in order to get a breather.
Ward gives Calzaghe problems but Calzaghe wins a close, but clear UD.
Calzaghe UD Dirrel
Calzaghe UD Kessler (again)
Calzaghe UD Froch
Calzaghe wide UD Abraham
Calzaghe UD Taylor
Calzaghe UD Johnson
Calzaghe wide UD Green
Also, Calzaghe UD Bute
I agree with this - though, Calzaghe has got power, he might K.O one. Bute's not really been tested yet.
exactly..people mustve never seen prime joe..dude was a beast...they dont understand he slapped more at his later age cause of the several hand surgeries he had
flat out lies. you just exposed yourself badly. you obviously haven't seen his early fights where he gets all his stoppages from slapping the guy once or twice and he's not even hurt. why do calzaghe fans not watch his fights? aren't you a fan?it's like you don't want to see the truth and i don't blame you although it is hilarious so i recommend it. you do realize people have access to his fights so your lies can be debunked right? you can't change reality no matter how hard you try!
joe outlanded hopkins and won cause hopkins didnt do anything towards the end of the fight..even faked getting hit low to rest...and im a hopkins fan but i watched the fight and knew he lost
you say you watched the fight but then say joe outlanded him. puzzling cause he did no such thing. you can watch the documentary on this and clearly see he is outlanded in over 6 rounds in the fight. what's the point of watching the fight if you aren't paying attention to what is happening. if you see a guy missing all his punches but then compu box says he landed 20 you believe compubox over your own eyes?
hopkins faked low blows? ok there was a low blow but was it hard? probably not but where does that come into play when scoring a fight? oh yea it doesn't. you are a sheep who keeps spitting out the same platitudes i've heard time and time again.
Calzaghe rapes all of them, and if your talking about prime zagghe, he stops. Dirrell,Taylor and Green, he UDs Froch and abraham. He would stop Bute too.
exactly..people mustve never seen prime joe..dude was a beast...they dont understand he slapped more at his later age cause of the several hand surgeries he had