I respect the Klits but the Marquez bros are the best brother combo. They have fought and beaten way better competition and some are even All-Timers like M.A. Barrera, Too Sharp, Pacquiao(yes JMM beat him twice), Izzy Vazquez, etc.
I think it's close, I rank Juan Ma (altough JuanMa is 0-1-2 against elite level fighters!!) over Wlad and Vitali.
But I rank Wlad and Vitali over Rafa.
Rafa is good,but honnestly, Rafa and Vazquez made them famous fighting each others 4 times but I'm not convinced about Rafa and Vazquez being elite fighters.
The klitschko no matter what they say are elite fighters.
Rafa is greater than Vitali, it's pretty clear that the Marquez bros>Klitschko bros thought they aren't far behind.
I would even say that his wins over Mabuza are underrated. After Marquez, Mabuza was beating Yonhhy Perez in a pretty good fight until he was stopped in the last round.
I agree with you 100%
Marquez brothers. Rafael with wins on Austin and Johnson with the fights with Vazquez. And then you have Juan which was avoided and showed why we his winning run and his two fights with Pac.
The K bros are not to far behind. They are so dominant that they make it look easy in a non-impressive manner.
Right on. The Marquez Bros fought all time greats! Who have the Klitschko's fought at the level of Pacquiao or Mayweather or Barrera. No competition!!!!!
I think it's close, I rank Juan Ma (altough JuanMa is 0-1-2 against elite level fighters!!) over Wlad and Vitali.
But I rank Wlad and Vitali over Rafa.
Rafa is good,but honnestly, Rafa and Vazquez made them famous fighting each others 4 times but I'm not convinced about Rafa and Vazquez being elite fighters.
The klitschko no matter what they say are elite fighters.
Retire from Boxing Scene, bottom feeder.
Actually the ref did save Lewis in all honesty, at the very least we know Vitaly retired Lewis even if you dispute who got saved.
A prime Vitali may very well beat a prime Wlad and I'd definately favor LL over Wlad but Its obvious whos got the better wins out of the 2 brothers, no?
Agreed. Wlad has the better scalps on his resume.
Ruben, at the risk of bringing up triangle theories, do you think Wlad would have done as well against Lennox Lewis as his brother? I think it's a valid question. The size and style comparisons are close enough. I've seen Wlad flopping around against lesser hitters than Lennox. Frankly, I think the younger K brother might have been out for the count against Lewis with just one good shot. Vitali ate a couple of blows from Lennox that his brother just can't handle. And, let's be honest, has either brother fought a better opponent?
A prime Vitali may very well beat a prime Wlad and I'd definately favor LL over Wlad but Its obvious whos got the better wins out of the 2 brothers, no?
Marquez bros are the most even combination, Wlad is a HOFer and Vitali shouldn't be imo and I think the fact they are brothers and the paper title has made Vitali overrated. Theres a huge disparity in the greatness between Spinks brothers, Michael is a damn great ATG and the best out of everyone mentiond by a long way, and Leon well Leon is Leon.
Ruben, at the risk of bringing up triangle theories, do you think Wlad would have done as well against Lennox Lewis as his brother? I think it's a valid question. The size and style comparisons are close enough. I've seen Wlad flopping around against lesser hitters than Lennox. Frankly, I think the younger K brother might have been out for the count against Lewis with just one good shot. Vitali ate a couple of blows from Lennox that his brother just can't handle. And, let's be honest, has either brother fought a better opponent?
Raf and Juan Manuel are a truly great brother combination.
But Wlad and Vitali Klitschko are the best brother combo ever.
...Mmm...I don't know about that, I mean look at how poorly they rap together:
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no, the Katsidis fight and in general his worse and worse defense. Katsidis is...decent...but Marquez should have wiped the floor with a fighter of his type. If Katsidis had any type of a good right hand, he could have stopped Marquez that night.
I could be wrong, and in fact Id love for Marquez to prove me wrong. I just think he will be beaten pretty badly if he fights say Bradley or Khan.
katsidis is a strong Fukker and put a lot of pressure on JMM and look what JMM did to him, If the ref had not stopped it JMM would of fukked him up for good!!Khan would give JMM more problems becasue of his height but Bradely would get schooled. IMO JMM would still beat Khan via UD!!
I dont know what makes you think that? The Mayweather fight? That was Floyd though!! JMM will win a world title at 140 you will see!!
no, the Katsidis fight and in general his worse and worse defense. Katsidis is...decent...but Marquez should have wiped the floor with a fighter of his type. If Katsidis had any type of a good right hand, he could have stopped Marquez that night.
I could be wrong, and in fact Id love for Marquez to prove me wrong. I just think he will be beaten pretty badly if he fights say Bradley or Khan.
we'll see.
I personally see Marquez losing badly in the future. I think hes a great fighter ripe for the picking at this point in his old age.
I dont know what makes you think that? The Mayweather fight? That was Floyd though!! JMM will win a world title at 140 you will see!!
we'll see.
I personally see Marquez losing badly in the future. I think hes a great fighter ripe for the picking at this point in his old age.
I dont see any threat for him in the light weight division other then humberto soto, which is a fight I would like to see. But him moving up in weight will be tough but I still see him going toe to toe with fighters in those divisions, even if he loses.
problem is Robbie was an underachiever, although he had some notable wins over green Barkley and out of shape Duran.
I think the Klitschko bros and Marquez bros sort of fit the bill of this thread more so than them, since Hagler pulls most the weight.
The Klitschko bros are easily the best team in terms of 'dominance'. but the Marquez brothers probably fought the best competition on both sides. Rafa is very underrated, with his wins over Mark Johnson, Tim Austin and Israel Vasquez.
I would even say that his wins over Mabuza are underrated. After Marquez, Mabuza was beating Yonhhy Perez in a pretty good fight until he was stopped in the last round.
Look like I said earlier on my thread, I have Michael and JMM about equal right now but since JMM is still Elite and fighting I believe by the end of his career he will accomplish way more than Michael. JMM will soon move up to 140 and I believe he has a good chance to beat any champion up there, lets see what happens!!!
we'll see.
I personally see Marquez losing badly in the future. I think hes a great fighter ripe for the picking at this point in his old age.