Bob Arum: "Promoters Are Taking Back The Business From The Networks"

That is quite daft. Golden Boy has PROMOTED their fights. gimme a break. the only reason why GBP was a force to be reckoned with was because HBO let GBP book all their shows in 2010. That was a huge mistake. GBP ain't shiit without HBO. Only reason why Khan signed with GBP was because GBP controlled all the HBO dates.

Boxing shouldn't be in the hands of either the networks or promoters. The sport needs to be reorganized from top to bottom and run like the NFL, NBA, etc with a commissioner and one governing body, that (along with a few other remedies) would go a long way towards straightening things up. What this guy said.

Oh another reason Arum liked to talk about Floyd was that he knew Floyd was the goods so he was going to be around and if he is around all that previous trash talk is out there to sell fights now and as time passes people just believe stuff~ It was a good plan a good way to make lemon-aid out of a pretty sour ass lemon.

Arum is just pissed that HBO got tired of his in-house fights and crappy undercards.

pactards are getting fukking owned This thread has nothing to do with Floyd or Manny. I know you wish it was because those are the only two names you know in boxing.

Notice that Arum also admitted that Floyd would have fought Margarito. But when he got angry at Floyd, he tried to ruin PBF's rep. Floyd was big at that point though, so using Floyd's name to build his guy makes a lot of sense. He spent a lot on Floyd so he would think he need to get some use out of his name, just to make him feel better. It was killing two birds with one stone though and it was probably therapeutic for Arum to just get all his feeling about Floyd out there, probably a lot cheaper to go that route also as Dr. are $$$$. It is so simple though, the funny thing to me is when people list the fighters Floyd is afraid of and they are all Top Rank guys, really now~

That article is great Notice that Arum also admitted that Floyd would have fought Margarito. But when he got angry at Floyd, he tried to ruin PBF's rep.

BTW, LOL @ Arum offering a higher guarantee for Margarito than for Cotto or Hatton. That article is great

Arum hates Floyd because he got over on him and Arum always feels he is the smartest man in the room certainly no fighter should ever get over on him. It has to suck when someone whose intelligence you have little respect for outsmarts you (when people usually lavish you with praise about how clever you are). BTW, LOL @ Arum offering a higher guarantee for Margarito than for Cotto or Hatton.

Think about this: Arum let Floyd buy out a contract for $750K. In the next four fights, Mayweather generated revenues of $270 million. Again: allowed Floyd to buy out of his contract for $750K, thereby missing out on sharing revenues of $270 million. THAT is why Arum hates Floyd. Arum hates Floyd because he got over on him and Arum always feels he is the smartest man in the room certainly no fighter should ever get over on him. It has to suck when someone whose intelligence you have little respect for outsmarts you (when people usually lavish you with praise about how clever you are).

Them overpaying fights will not do a damn thing to the whole corporation. But, them overpaying, might hurt the whole boxing programing on that channel. Agreed. And they would just compress the budget from, say, $80 million to $65 million for the next fiscal year. Perhaps one reason why Greenburg didn't aggressively pursue the fight is the expense related to these fights: 24/7's are about $300K per episode, production costs of digital media and Face-Offs, etc. Pac-marg, for example, got unprecedented support ($$$) by HBO. Per Umstead. http://www.multichannel.com/blog/profile/8323-Thomas_Umstead.php It may not be the worst thing for HBO.

God I hate Arum. Seriously. Why does boxing attract the worst kind of people? What a rat.

That's fair. But Bob also has his Latin Fury and Pinoy Power that are not big sellers. You just need to be marginally profitable on those. I do miss Oscar's Boxeo del Oro, though. I actually like GBP and hope they succeed. Competition is always good for the sport. I just wish GBP made an effort to showcase more of there fighters. Unless it's a PPV event, you really aren't going to see there mid to lower level fighters...which is a shame. If I were them, then I would use HBO Latino to build up stars like Canelo and Mares. Biggers fights on HBO and some PPV's but there other bouts....I would really use that (HBO Latino) to build up there fan base. I would also ink a better deal with Foxsports net or even someone like Versus. Anything to get my fighters exposure and bouts on TV will go a long way as far as building them up. There is no excuse for us not too see talented guys like Jorge Linares, Danny Jacobs, Chris John, Erislandy Lara and others on TV more.

And, isn't a percentage of Mark Taffet salary come from the PPV numbers? I would imagine that Mark has several KPI's: Real Sports viewership and Emmys Documentaries (*61, When it was a game, etc, etc) Overall viewership PPV revenues generated Etc... HBO Sports is not just boxing.

Think about this: Arum let Floyd buy out a contract for $750K. In the next four fights, Mayweather generated revenues of $270 million. Again: allowed Floyd to buy out of his contract for $750K, thereby missing out on sharing revenues of $270 million. THAT is why Arum hates Floyd.

And, isn't a percentage of Mark Taffet salary come from the PPV numbers?

Boxing is just a glamour division for HBO. The budget at HBO's Boxing division is about 80-100 million dollars, I believe. Time warner had revenues of $19 Billion. so please put that into perspective. Does HBO overpay for fights? ABSOLUTELY. No question about it. Does that overpayment threaten the corporations financials? Nope. Side note: HBO doesn't get the 50%. the regional carriers (affiliates) do. My bad I didn't word it wrong. I don't think HBO as a whole is in trouble. I mean is Time Warner. But, boxing on HBO is in trouble. From a lot of stuff I gathered people in HBO are not happy with the boxing aspect of it. They're not seeing the ratings that they're use to seeing. They not getting any return in their investment. Them overpaying fights will not do a damn thing to the whole corporation. But, them overpaying, might hurt the whole boxing programing on that channel.

Well the verdict is still out on those guys. I like how they managed Diaz career, and the recent moves with Ortiz. The one thing I didn't like was their piss poor efforts with Fight Club on Foxsportsnet. While most don't care, I felt that was the perfect platform to build guys like Frankie Gomez, Abner Mares and other young stars. Also i wish they would have expanded it to get guys like Linares and others TV dates because any exposure is always good. No doubt they have a Golden opportunity as they have some of the young stars, so it will be interesting to see how that works out. Now concerning the Floyd vs Oscar fight, yeah Arum screwed that up. While this is just my opinion, I felt he let his emotions (hate for Oscar) get in the way of logic......even though he claims that wasn't the case. That's fair. But Bob also has his Latin Fury and Pinoy Power that are not big sellers. You just need to be marginally profitable on those. I do miss Oscar's Boxeo del Oro, though.

And, I'm telling you right now, You might think different but that is going to be HBO downfall. They overpay for fights which they don't get a return in their investment. Even for the great fights, fights that fans want to see and people can say "wow HBO is doing great". But, don't realize that their budget decrease from 2 or 3 years ago by 15mil and if you keep overpaying for fights then is going to have less fights in a calender year. I mean in the surface it might look great thinking back wow we had this fight and had that fight. But, if they don't outbid their own selves than we could have a lot more solid-to good boxing shows. But, we're missing them cuz' for some reason HBO likes to throw away money. HBO I think is hurting right now. I'm pretty sure Mark Taffet is pretty upset that they don't have any big PPVs lined up. HBO gets like what 50% of the PPV revenue? I know them not having a Pac-Mosley PPV is a lost of millions that they would of had. Boxing is just a glamour division for HBO. The budget at HBO's Boxing division is about 80-100 million dollars, I believe. Time warner had revenues of $19 Billion. so please put that into perspective. Does HBO overpay for fights? ABSOLUTELY. No question about it. Does that overpayment threaten the corporations financials? Nope. Side note: HBO doesn't get the 50%. the regional carriers (affiliates) do.

Juan Diaz Amir Khan Saul Alvarez Victor Ortiz How would you say that GBP are doing with those guys?...in terms of building up their names and marketability? Listen, I have no problems with you. But bob Arum blatantly said that Floyd was stupid (I think he used the word "crazy") for wanting a fight with Oscar. Today, that fight atands as the $$ record. Floyd left TR. Oscar left TR. If Manny had a brain, he would leave TR. Bob is smart. No doubt. all credit to him. But he is no more creative or astute than GBP. Well the verdict is still out on those guys. I like how they managed Diaz career, and the recent moves with Ortiz. The one thing I didn't like was their piss poor efforts with Fight Club on Foxsportsnet. While most don't care, I felt that was the perfect platform to build guys like Frankie Gomez, Abner Mares and other young stars. Also i wish they would have expanded it to get guys like Linares and others TV dates because any exposure is always good. No doubt they have a Golden opportunity as they have some of the young stars, so it will be interesting to see how that works out. Now concerning the Floyd vs Oscar fight, yeah Arum screwed that up. While this is just my opinion, I felt he let his emotions (hate for Oscar) get in the way of logic......even though he claims that wasn't the case.