True or False: Pacquiao's Welter Resume>>>Floyd's

So your saying when comparing fighters resume to see who is better you include their losses? Why would you do this? This has no logical explanation. If your just merely saying who they fought and adding it to their resume it defys the idea of who's better. By this logic you must think Oscar is greater than Pacqiauo, right? When obviously, this isn't true. And Chavez Jr isn't great becaue his resume is weak, regardless to if he is undefeated. Why would I include losses? Because those losses are part of the fighters body of work. Example: Azumah Nelson fought and lost to Salvador Sanchez. Now does Azumah losing to Sanchez make him any less of a great fighter? No. Him fighting Sanchez should still be considered part of his resume even though he didn't win because the competition was equally great. And no it doesn't defy the idea of whose better, it just reinforces the idea of who had the greater body of work in their respective careers (who fought the better competition). Shane Mosley has a better resume than Vernon Forrest, does that automatically make SSM better? No. No, I don't think DLH is greater than Pacquiao. However some people have a legitimate argument when they say DLH has a greater body of work than Pacquiao, even if he did lose most of his big fights. If you read my post you will see I didn't once compare Chop Chop to Mayweather... Chop Chop is a good example because by your logic, Chop Chop's resume is worthy of the HOF. Do you think Chop Chop Corley is a HOF'er? Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never once said, or even hinted, that Chop Chop's resume is HOF worthy. All I said was that Chop Chop has a better resume than PBF at 140, which he does. PBFs win over Gatti, Bruseles, and even Chop Chop himself does not equate to Chop Chops whole body of work at 140. Chop Chop can actually claim that he fought Cotto, whereas PBF's only claim is the moniker "He lives too far away."

I'm guessing your definition of resume just consists of Ws which is not my definition of it. A resume to me is basically your whole body of work, which includes losses not just the wins. Chavez Jr. is undefeated, would that make his resume great because their all wins? No. . So your saying when comparing fighters resume to see who is better you include their losses? Why would you do this? This has no logical explanation. If your just merely saying who they fought and adding it to their resume it defys the idea of who's better. By this logic you must think Oscar is greater than Pacqiauo, right? When obviously, this isn't true. And Chavez Jr isn't great becaue his resume is weak, regardless to if he is undefeated. Chop Chop is a very poor example. All those names you listed Chop Chop fought at 140. We're talking about WW resume's here. And since you've already brought it up, yes, Chop Chop's resume is better than PBF's at 140. PBF fought 3 times at 140 while Chop Chop's whole career was basically at 140. And he didn't fight scrubs as your list already proves. If you read my post you will see I didn't once compare Chop Chop to Mayweather... Chop Chop is a good example because by your logic, Chop Chop's resume is worthy of the HOF. Do you think Chop Chop Corley is a HOF'er?

Even floyd jr. himself will say that pac's ww resume is far better compared to him. lol

......OK, here's the thing. To have them on your resume and to argue he's better than someone, you kinda have to use names that he actually beat. Not people he just fought. Saying his resume at 147 is better than Mayweathers merely because he fought Margarito, Cotto and Pacqiauo is just plain ridiculous. I guess Demarcus Corley an ATG also? He has names such as; Mayweather Cotto Witter Judah Alexander Maidana All on his resume, right? I'm guessing your definition of resume just consists of Ws which is not my definition of it. A resume to me is basically your whole body of work, which includes losses not just the wins. Chavez Jr. is undefeated, would that make his resume great because their all wins? No. Chop Chop is a very poor example. All those names you listed Chop Chop fought at 140. We're talking about WW resume's here. And since you've already brought it up, yes, Chop Chop's resume is better than PBF's at 140. PBF fought 3 times at 140 while Chop Chop's whole career was basically at 140. And he didn't fight scrubs as your list already proves. and clottey lost to all of them-lol floyd's resume at ww is better--no need for criticism at this point man-- If you actually think PBF has a better resume than Pacquiao at 147 then no amount of logic is going to get through to you. PBF's resume at 147 is thin at best. Without Shane, he basically has no resume at 147. Baldomir is probably the worst lineal champion in boxing history. I respect the man's toughness and grit, but he's garbage. If you have to bring Baldomir's name into a bragging rights contest then chances are you're way behind the competition.

-Kirby-;9943781']Cotto was at a CW of 145. Wasn't a WW fight. Marg was 150 CW wasn't a WW fight. His resume at WW is: De La Hoya Clottey Are you seriously even comparing the 2? :werd: :smashfrea

But what if I don't feel pwned at all? in the flomoverse pwnage feels you

Manny Pacquiao 112 80.00% Floyd Mayweather Jr. 28 20.00% flomos get pwned again

Pacquiaos anyday... No ifs ands or buts...

I think you should do a bit of research on Clottey since you obviously haven't seen too much of him. He may not have wins over them but Clottey has Margs (back when people wanted no part of him), Cotto, and Pacquiao on his resume. Those 3 alone pretty much trump anything PBF has on his WW resume. Uhhh... No, Baldomir was not a better win than either Cotto or Clottey, let alone combined (which is utterly laughable). No one even knew Baldomir existed before his win against an uninspired and unprepared Zab. Cotto was weight drained? Cotto came in at 146 in his last fight against Clottey, which is a 1 pound difference in his next fight. So how is that exactly a weight drained Cotto? He certainly didn't look weight drained in the first 4 rounds of that fight, as he gave Pacquiao his toughest test since moving up in weight. So what if he hadn't fought in 9 months? Is that supposed to be an excuse as to why Clottey didn't win the fight? Whether you like it or not, Clottey was a big, tough, and rugged welterweight when Pacquiao fought him. He was in the top 5 for a reason. How exactly is he overrated? If he is overrated that's news to me. He certainly isn't overrated on this board. His win over Judah was close? Maybe you should actually DL and watch the fight, before coming to conclusions. Clottey was busting Zab up in that fight and was on his way to stopping him. So just because Baldomir was lineal champion he's automatically better than Cotto and Clottey... :pat: I knew it was a waste of time to comment, I should have just skipped to reading your last point and just stopped. That pretty much tells me all I need to know. and clottey lost to all of them-lol floyd's resume at ww is better--no need for criticism at this point man--

It's simple,they're about even.Baldomir is not a better fighter than Cotto,lets clear that up 1st.But Baldomir between all the champions & so forth that either have fought at 147(or in Manny's case catchweights),on paper Baldomir was the only lineal ranked.Followed by the version of Mosley that Floyd beat. But Cotto is regardless & straight up a better fighter than Badomir(even though Manny needed a catchweight to fight him).So in ahead to head comparo between Baldomir & Cotto without titles,Cotto being the better fighter evens it up.Clottey is always a solid outing,he can make U look bad,but against the best offense lower than 154,he doesn't fight enough to beat Pacman. The Mosley that Floyd fought probably wasn't any better than the Mosley Pacman will be fighting.But there is a difference,no one expected Mosley to be in such bad shape against Floyd & at the time his victory over Margarito made him the man to beat.Now Mosley brings nothing but his name to fight Pacman,who didn't want anything to do with him after he bossed up on Margarito. As a real fighting fan,there is absolutely nothing about the Margarito fight that i find credible,or worth defending on Pacman's part.That fight was a disgrace & a slap in the face to everyone of those 154lb fighters.

Floyd ducked Cotto and fought baldomir. . There is a reason for that. Enough said. Just got to the bold... Oh boy... floyd ducked cotto to fight baldomir?floyd moved to ww before cotto and baldomir was floyds 3rd fight at ww by the time floyd was fighting baldomir coto probably only had 1 fight at ww.if this is true that floiyd ducked cotto to fight baldomir can you tell me what changed within a year and half when arum said that cotto wasn't ready for floyd when they were both at 140?

i didn't say baldomir was better than cotto but if you wanna break those 2 fighter down baldomir actually beat a ww champ to become the champ where as cotto has won all his ww tittles in vacant tittle matches. manny fought margarito at ww?you don't even know what you are sayin manny has only had 3 fights at ww cotto,clottey,and oscar. shane is grandpa mosley yet manny is gin to fight him and lets not forget that manny and his team didn't want anything to do with shane before floyd whooped his ass.the zab judah that floyd fought is probably better than the cotto manny fought that zab judah is probnably also better than the oscar manny fought what alot of you pacfans don't take into consideration is when those fights happened oscar wasn't looked as a threat to any ww and no one was to sure about cotto after losing to margarito and havin a contracersial win over clottey but you pac fans judge those fighters at there best but they were no where near there best when they fought manny Floyd ducked Cotto and fought baldomir. . There is a reason for that. Enough said. Just got to the bold... Oh boy...

will its one side win for pac in this thread. almost 75% for pac

Only a flomo would think Baldomir was better then Cotto or Margarito that Manny fought. Or Zab is better than anyone manny fought. Or grandpa mosley that floyd fought was much better than the one manny is fighting now... How stupid is that? i didn't say baldomir was better than cotto but if you wanna break those 2 fighter down baldomir actually beat a ww champ to become the champ where as cotto has won all his ww tittles in vacant tittle matches. manny fought margarito at ww?you don't even know what you are sayin manny has only had 3 fights at ww cotto,clottey,and oscar. shane is grandpa mosley yet manny is gin to fight him and lets not forget that manny and his team didn't want anything to do with shane before floyd whooped his ass.the zab judah that floyd fought is probably better than the cotto manny fought that zab judah is probnably also better than the oscar manny fought what alot of you pacfans don't take into consideration is when those fights happened oscar wasn't looked as a threat to any ww and no one was to sure about cotto after losing to margarito and havin a contracersial win over clottey but you pac fans judge those fighters at there best but they were no where near there best when they fought manny

it's floyd--floyd fought 2 ww champions at 147--he beat the 2 ww champions at the time in mosley and baldomir--the 2 champions of the ww division--i don't care how you view them, but floyd dominated the real ww champions at the time, and the former ww champion in judah---he fought ricky at ww which is still one of his greatest wins because ricky was undefeated and top 5 p4p at the time and mitchell was a tuneup bouth at ww and one of his best wins also at the time because of mitchell's skill-- jmm was smaller but he was p4p number 2 and one of the greatest fighters of this era--and took manny to school, winning more rounds against him in 2 fights---oscar didn't fight at 147, but floyd beat a guy who held the ww championship and had a stellar resume there--floyd wanted the fight at 147, but oscar said no---he knew then he couldn't fight at ww and be strong---so manny fights him there--but that was oscar's fault, not manny's--- manny fought oscar at ww which got him overhyped if you ask me because oscar hadn't fought there in 9 years-- cotto was a good win for manny, but he fought him at 145, so you could bash the win like you did floyd for fighting jmm---he beat cotto for a title at 145--i don't care who thinks 2 pounds doesn't make a difference--it does, trust me-lol--i've been there-- floyd fought hatton at 147---hatton won a title at 147 his first trip out, and looked sluggish in the later rounds---that's due to hatton putting on so much weight between fights and floyd came from 130 pounds---that was a great win-- manny beat oscar at a higher weight--roy jones beat ruiz at a higher weight, manny fighters did--do we bash holyfield fighting james tony at the weight they fought at? ricky hatton was bigger than floyd throughout his career and wasn't good enough to beat him--that's all that was--jmm beat fighters at higher weight classes also-- great fighters know, size doesn't matter in terms of skill--not physical dependence-- i give manny the cotto win, but he should have let him fight at 147, not 145 for his title- manny fought clottey who had just lost to cotto a fight prior-- manny fought margarito at 154, made him come in at 150 lbs, and manny didn't make the weight, just like floyd didn't make weight for jmm--manny's last 2 fights were shams because margarito fought a bum in his return fight and looked terrible overall--and he had a 2 year layoff before that--and was knocked out in his last great fight-- now mosley is fighting him--he has aged gracefully but is still a great fighter--but he did draw with mora at 154, not he has to go back down 7 pounds to fight manny, and his last outing at 147 he was dominated by floyd mayweather jr... floyd's ww resume consisted of people who were on winning streaks, except for judah and maybe mitchell--but still solid-- floyd beating mosley and baldomir sh1ts on manny's fights, due to the time he fought them-- No need to read all that b.s. when the answer is so blatantly obvious that only qualification to assess this is a pair of eyes to see that Manny has the better resume.

it's floyd--floyd fought 2 ww champions at 147--he beat the 2 ww champions at the time in mosley and baldomir--the 2 champions of the ww division--i don't care how you view them, but floyd dominated the real ww champions at the time, and the former ww champion in judah---he fought ricky at ww which is still one of his greatest wins because ricky was undefeated and top 5 p4p at the time and mitchell was a tuneup bouth at ww and one of his best wins also at the time because of mitchell's skill-- jmm was smaller but he was p4p number 2 and one of the greatest fighters of this era--and took manny to school, winning more rounds against him in 2 fights---oscar didn't fight at 147, but floyd beat a guy who held the ww championship and had a stellar resume there--floyd wanted the fight at 147, but oscar said no---he knew then he couldn't fight at ww and be strong---so manny fights him there--but that was oscar's fault, not manny's--- manny fought oscar at ww which got him overhyped if you ask me because oscar hadn't fought there in 9 years-- cotto was a good win for manny, but he fought him at 145, so you could bash the win like you did floyd for fighting jmm---he beat cotto for a title at 145--i don't care who thinks 2 pounds doesn't make a difference--it does, trust me-lol--i've been there-- floyd fought hatton at 147---hatton won a title at 147 his first trip out, and looked sluggish in the later rounds---that's due to hatton putting on so much weight between fights and floyd came from 130 pounds---that was a great win-- manny beat oscar at a higher weight--roy jones beat ruiz at a higher weight, manny fighters did--do we bash holyfield fighting james tony at the weight they fought at? ricky hatton was bigger than floyd throughout his career and wasn't good enough to beat him--that's all that was--jmm beat fighters at higher weight classes also-- great fighters know, size doesn't matter in terms of skill--not physical dependence-- i give manny the cotto win, but he should have let him fight at 147, not 145 for his title- manny fought clottey who had just lost to cotto a fight prior-- manny fought margarito at 154, made him come in at 150 lbs, and manny didn't make the weight, just like floyd didn't make weight for jmm--manny's last 2 fights were shams because margarito fought a bum in his return fight and looked terrible overall--and he had a 2 year layoff before that--and was knocked out in his last great fight-- now mosley is fighting him--he has aged gracefully but is still a great fighter--but he did draw with mora at 154, not he has to go back down 7 pounds to fight manny, and his last outing at 147 he was dominated by floyd mayweather jr... floyd's ww resume consisted of people who were on winning streaks, except for judah and maybe mitchell--but still solid-- floyd beating mosley and baldomir sh1ts on manny's fights, due to the time he fought them--

Manny,clearly

of course a paquiao fan would say something like this because it is obviously better to fight shane when he's not ranked in the top 3 ww than when he was ranked #1 it's much better to fight an unranked margarito at jmw than to fight #1 ranked sergio martinez at jmw. how did manny fight the more dangerous fighters when everyone he has beat at ww was at a crossroad in there career and was not looked at to highly before announcing there matches with manny? Only a flomo would think Baldomir was better then Cotto or Margarito that Manny fought. Or Zab is better than anyone manny fought. Or grandpa mosley that floyd fought was much better than the one manny is fighting now... How stupid is that?

If you take away titles and rankings, it is as obvious as night and day, Manny fought the more dangerous fighters by far. If you are an actual boxing fan you should be a good judge of fighters abilities and it is so so obvious who fought the better competition. I am surprised people voted for Floyd because it is so obvious. of course a paquiao fan would say something like this because it is obviously better to fight shane when he's not ranked in the top 3 ww than when he was ranked #1 it's much better to fight an unranked margarito at jmw than to fight #1 ranked sergio martinez at jmw. how did manny fight the more dangerous fighters when everyone he has beat at ww was at a crossroad in there career and was not looked at to highly before announcing there matches with manny?

manny fought cotto clottey and oscar now which one of those fighters were ranked #1? floyd beat shane and baldomir who were both the #1 ww at the time so how is manny ww resume better? If you take away titles and rankings, it is as obvious as night and day, Manny fought the more dangerous fighters by far. If you are an actual boxing fan you should be a good judge of fighters abilities and it is so so obvious who fought the better competition. I am surprised people voted for Floyd because it is so obvious.