Wladamir Klitschko: David Haye a 'liar'

Klitschko and Haye have been on a collision course for the past couple of years -- since Haye famously angered Klitschko and his brother, fellow heavyweight titlist Vitali Klitschko, by wearing a T-shirt depicting him standing in the ring holding the bloody, decapitated heads of the brothers. He finally landed a fight with Wladimir, signing to face him in June 2009, but pulled out on short notice claiming a back injury. They finally came to terms again last week for a July 2 showdown in Germany. However, England's Haye pulled out again when he refused to allow Klitschko to first fight British countryman Dereck Chisora on April 30 in a fight rescheduled from December because Klitschko suffered an abdominal tear a few days before the fight. Klitschko, who can resume training at the end of this month, had no issue with Haye also fighting an interim bout if he wanted, but Haye wanted no intervening bouts. Haye claimed that nine weeks between fights was not long enough to mount the promotion or to train. Klitschko disagreed, believing his fight with Chisora would serve as the de facto kick-off to the promotion. "I don't take David Haye as a super-special fight," Klitschko told ESPN.com on Sunday from Hawaii, where he is vacationing. "I don't need a half a year to prepare for this fight. I'm always in shape anyway. Me fighting Chisora first is good promotion for the fight with David Haye because the guy is also British and very loud. It's perfect to help promote the big fight." The reason Klitschko opted to reschedule with Chisora was because the fight with Haye couldn't take place until July 2. Klitschko hasn't fought since September and didn't want such a long layoff. ...Klitschko had proposed April 30 at a stadium in Germany. Haye accepted, but Sky wouldn't put on a second pay-per-view fight in the same month; it's already committed to an Amir Khan fight April 16. The closest date that could accommodate both networks, and that would also work with a German stadium, was July 2. They agreed to that date, but Haye and manager/trainer Adam Booth refused to allow Klitschko to first face Chisora and called off the fight. ..."Klitschko claims he'll fight both Chisora and I, but it's nonsense. Are we expected to believe that a fighter that competed only once in the whole of 2009 and twice in 2010 is now going to box twice in a matter of nine weeks? A bout with me is the most lucrative, meaningful and dangerous fight Wladimir's ever had, not some throwaway tune-up. Wladimir won't fight anybody nine weeks after Chisora, let alone me." ...The Adamek camp approached Klitschko last week and they quickly worked out the parameters for a deal under which Adamek will fight Klitschko, or Vitali if Wladimir is unavailable. "It's not done yet, but some deals go much faster than David Haye deals," Klitschko said. "We did the Sam Peter deal in three days. Adamek came to us and said let's do this. They were polite and respectful. So far, it looks very clear. There's no controversy in negotiations. Everything is clear and understandable." "We agreed on the general terms but, of course, the deal is subject to the execution of a contract," Main Events' Kathy Duva, Adamek's co-promoter, told ESPN.com. "Lawyers on both sides are working on the wording of the agreement now. ...Haye is now looking to a mandatory against former titlist Ruslan Chagaev, who, ironically, was destroyed by Klitschko in June 2009 when he stepped in for Haye after had pulled out and never produced any medical paperwork confirming his claim of a back injury. Later that summer, Haye came to terms to challenge Vitali. This time, Haye didn't sign the paperwork because he also was clandestinely negotiating a deal with titlist Nikolai Valuev. Haye took that fight and eked out a tight decision to win a belt. Wladimir Klitschko, 34, hasn't forgotten the two incidents, which is why he insisted on taking the interim bout with Chisora. Klitschko spent months waiting for Haye in 2009, foregoing a spring bout when Haye promised to deliver a lucrative stadium deal in England. He couldn't and they wound up moving the fight to Germany before Haye bailed. "David Haye says, 'How can Wladimir fight when he fought only once in 2009," Klitschko said. "He forgets. I fought once in 2009 because I relied on him. He was supposed to deliver Chelsea Stadium, so I didn't fight in March or April. I had been waiting for David in June, so I didn't take a fight in between. I didn't want to go through that again." Klitschko said the Chisora fight was his way of hedging against Haye being a no-show again. He said he simply doesn't trust Haye to follow through on their agreement. "The contract was just verbal, nothing written yet," Klitschko said. "If I agree he could have backed out and taken Chisora, which is a great pay-per-view for him in Britain. He could give Chagaev step-aside money and then I'm going to be there with nobody to fight . Because of our history before, I would fight him July 2 and we would work on the contract, but I would fight Chisora first and make sure I fight. T"hey lied to me about Chelsea Stadium in 2009, then they lied to my brother. There have a been a lot of lies from David Haye and Adam Booth. We found a date July 2 to fight him, but I don't trust these guys anymore and Chisora is a great warm-up fight for me. "So he can have a fight in between. I don't care. But I don't trust this guy. I would fight him July 2, but I don't want to be inactive. I was champion before David Haye got into the heavyweight division and I will be champion after he retires. If he wants to fight, let him fight. But I'm doing my schedule my way. Either you will join it, or not." Haye, 30, the former cruiserweight champion who has had four fights since moving to heavyweight full-time in late 2008, has said repeatedly that he'll retire by his 31st birthday in October. Klitschko, a two-time titleholder who has made nine defenses during his current five-year reign, ripped Haye over the claim. "He's telling everyone, 'I'm going to retire by the end of the year and I will have my legacy.' He's going to have a legacy for the Audley Harrison fight, the most exciting heavyweight fight in history," Klitschko said derisively, referring to Haye's third-round knockout of Harrison in November in a fight universally panned as one of the worst heavyweight title bouts in recent memory. "He has no legacy whatsoever. He has this terrible disease and he has to retire? What bull---- is that? This is total nonsense. He is playing the media. He will not retire because he's a liar, liar, liar. From the beginning to the end, he's a loser liar. That's the truth about this man. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=6007881&campaign=rss&source=BOXINGHeadlines So there you are!!! David Haye is just a fraud who happens to cherry pick his opponents and would go all the way to make false accusations and lies against the Klitschkos whom he wanted to destroy when he so-called "invaded" the heavyweights! Only to find out that after 4-fights with past their prime fighters, he's already thinking of retiring at the age of 30. What a fraud! What's wrong with fighting Wlad on JUly 2, when the guy is more than willing to fight him? If Wlad loses, then he doesn't have anymore excuses for it, since he has made up his mind to fight Haye on July 2, despite his fight with Chisora. Haye's reason that Wlad won't have time to promote the July2 fight is such a crap! He's just finding ways to get out of the fight.

David Haye has been in some great fights...exciting fights, he has come off the canvas to win fights. The only exciting Wlad fights are the one's where he has been knocked out in embarrassing fashion. His whole career is a snooze fest, he fights like a scared fighter, a fighter who is scared of getting hit, he only actually throws without fear once his overweight sorry excuse for an opponent has been turned into a walking corpse by his jab. I will admit that wlad is a world class heavyweight with a lot of quality, but comparing the excitement of their fights...are you ****ing kidding me?? You haven't got a leg to stand on...Wlad is one of the most boring fighters in boxing, david haye is one of the more exciting fighters. Klitschko fans continuously prove to the world what a horrid bunch of vermin you really are. You know little to nothing about Wlad. The guy who reigns supreme mand dominates the division today may be boring in his methodical approach.. but to say he was like this his entire career couldn't be any further from the truth. Prior to Eman.. Wlad was known for his speed, left hook, and power. He had some great combinations and he actually had pretty decent defense. He would block punches and use head movement. Today he uses his legs and a clinch.

If true, then why doesn't Haye fight Chagaev then? He isn't injured like Wlad is, he can fight Chagaev in march or april and take that out of the way, and he would still have plenty of time before July 2nd. That's if you really believe Haye is going to fight Chagaev (he won't he'll use the same excuse Valuev used), or that the WBA would actually strip Haye (we're talking about the organization that stripped Chagaev AFTER the fight with Wlad had happened to give it to Valuev, or that ranked Audley as soon as Haye announced he wanted to fight him). SMH he will be fighting Chagaev that's the whole point and Wlad isnt injured I have proving this in numerous threads that you choose to ignore. Chisora isnt in the top 15 in the world dont let facts ruin your blind love for Wlad haha

http://www.suite101.com/content/wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye-the-lost-super-fight-part-2-a329116 If true, then why doesn't Haye fight Chagaev then? He isn't injured like Wlad is, he can fight Chagaev in march or april and take that out of the way, and he would still have plenty of time before July 2nd. That's if you really believe Haye is going to fight Chagaev (he won't he'll use the same excuse Valuev used), or that the WBA would actually strip Haye (we're talking about the organization that stripped Chagaev AFTER the fight with Wlad had happened to give it to Valuev, or that ranked Audley as soon as Haye announced he wanted to fight him).

It's pretty clear the WBA would settle for the biggest unifying fight in the division, rather than a mandatory... I'd like to see the WBA come out and say it though.

No one needs to deal with the WBA, they already said that a fight between Haye and Wlad overrules his mandatory challenger, Chagaev. But now the Haye fans are using the ' he has to fight his mandatory ' excuse. :rofl: Yep. There has been no word from the WBA on this. Sergio Martinez is about to make his 2nd non-mandatory fight in a row but hasnt been stripped.

No one needs to deal with the WBA, they already said that a fight between Haye and Wlad overrules his mandatory challenger, Chagaev. But now the Haye fans are using the ' he has to fight his mandatory ' excuse. :rofl: Link? It's the final nail in Haye's coffin, for me.

Klitschko and Haye have been on a collision course for the past couple of years -- since Haye famously angered Klitschko and his brother, fellow heavyweight titlist Vitali Klitschko, by wearing a T-shirt depicting him standing in the ring holding the bloody, decapitated heads of the brothers. He finally landed a fight with Wladimir, signing to face him in June 2009, but pulled out on short notice claiming a back injury. They finally came to terms again last week for a July 2 showdown in Germany. However, England's Haye pulled out again when he refused to allow Klitschko to first fight British countryman Dereck Chisora on April 30 in a fight rescheduled from December because Klitschko suffered an abdominal tear a few days before the fight. Klitschko, who can resume training at the end of this month, had no issue with Haye also fighting an interim bout if he wanted, but Haye wanted no intervening bouts. Haye claimed that nine weeks between fights was not long enough to mount the promotion or to train. Klitschko disagreed, believing his fight with Chisora would serve as the de facto kick-off to the promotion. "I don't take David Haye as a super-special fight," Klitschko told ESPN.com on Sunday from Hawaii, where he is vacationing. "I don't need a half a year to prepare for this fight. I'm always in shape anyway. Me fighting Chisora first is good promotion for the fight with David Haye because the guy is also British and very loud. It's perfect to help promote the big fight." The reason Klitschko opted to reschedule with Chisora was because the fight with Haye couldn't take place until July 2. Klitschko hasn't fought since September and didn't want such a long layoff. Klitschko (55-3, 49 KOs) and Haye (25-1, 23 KOs) had agreed on the terms, including a 50-50 financial split. However, there were date and site issues because of the conflicting schedules between RTL, the German network that features Klitschko's fights, and Sky, the British subscription network that televises Haye's fights on Sky Box Office pay-per-view. Klitschko had proposed April 30 at a stadium in Germany. Haye accepted, but Sky wouldn't put on a second pay-per-view fight in the same month; it's already committed to an Amir Khan fight April 16. The closest date that could accommodate both networks, and that would also work with a German stadium, was July 2. They agreed to that date, but Haye and manager/trainer Adam Booth refused to allow Klitschko to first face Chisora and called off the fight. "It should never have come to this," Haye said. "I was available to fight in May and June, and yet Klitschko only gave me dates of April 30 and July 2. The April date would be too close to Amir Khan's next fight, and would prove problematic with Sky Box Office, so we settled for July. "Klitschko claims he'll fight both Chisora and I, but it's nonsense. Are we expected to believe that a fighter that competed only once in the whole of 2009 and twice in 2010 is now going to box twice in a matter of nine weeks? A bout with me is the most lucrative, meaningful and dangerous fight Wladimir's ever had, not some throwaway tune-up. Wladimir won't fight anybody nine weeks after Chisora, let alone me." Klitschko will fight Chisora in Mannheim, Germany, and then expects to move on to face Poland's Adamek in a new stadium in his country in September in a fight that came up just as the Haye talks were disintegrating. The Adamek camp approached Klitschko last week and they quickly worked out the parameters for a deal under which Adamek will fight Klitschko, or Vitali if Wladimir is unavailable. "It's not done yet, but some deals go much faster than David Haye deals," Klitschko said. "We did the Sam Peter deal in three days. Adamek came to us and said let's do this. They were polite and respectful. So far, it looks very clear. There's no controversy in negotiations. Everything is clear and understandable." "We agreed on the general terms but, of course, the deal is subject to the execution of a contract," Main Events' Kathy Duva, Adamek's co-promoter, told ESPN.com. "Lawyers on both sides are working on the wording of the agreement now. "If for some reason Wladimir can't fight in September, Vitali will be the opponent. The September date is the key because that is when the new stadium will open. This is a very big deal in all of Europe because the Wroclaw stadium, which is located on the border of Poland and Germany and not too far from Ukraine, is one of four currently being built to accommodate the 2012 European Soccer Championships." The fight would be the first event to take place at the stadium, Duva said. A former light heavyweight titleholder and the former cruiserweight champion, Adamek is 5-0 in his heavyweight campaign and one of the top contenders in the world. He'll fight once more in Poland in April against an opponent to be determined -- former heavyweight champion Hasim Rahman is one candidate -- before the title shot. "Today everything points to an agreement being signed for a fight with Wladimir Klitschko," Adamek wrote on his website. "My opponent, Wladimir Klitschko, has thousands of fans in Germany. He is counting on many fans coming from Germany and Ukraine. I, on the other hand, hope that 40,000 people will cheer me on through my fight for the world title in the third weight category. Getting this title is my next goal in my boxing career. & I have to bring the highest level of boxing to the ring." Haye is now looking to a mandatory against former titlist Ruslan Chagaev, who, ironically, was destroyed by Klitschko in June 2009 when he stepped in for Haye after had pulled out and never produced any medical paperwork confirming his claim of a back injury. Later that summer, Haye came to terms to challenge Vitali. This time, Haye didn't sign the paperwork because he also was clandestinely negotiating a deal with titlist Nikolai Valuev. Haye took that fight and eked out a tight decision to win a belt. Wladimir Klitschko, 34, hasn't forgotten the two incidents, which is why he insisted on taking the interim bout with Chisora. Klitschko spent months waiting for Haye in 2009, foregoing a spring bout when Haye promised to deliver a lucrative stadium deal in England. He couldn't and they wound up moving the fight to Germany before Haye bailed. "David Haye says, 'How can Wladimir fight when he fought only once in 2009," Klitschko said. "He forgets. I fought once in 2009 because I relied on him. He was supposed to deliver Chelsea Stadium, so I didn't fight in March or April. I had been waiting for David in June, so I didn't take a fight in between. I didn't want to go through that again." Klitschko said the Chisora fight was his way of hedging against Haye being a no-show again. He said he simply doesn't trust Haye to follow through on their agreement. "The contract was just verbal, nothing written yet," Klitschko said. "If I agree he could have backed out and taken Chisora, which is a great pay-per-view for him in Britain. He could give Chagaev step-aside money and then I'm going to be there with nobody to fight . Because of our history before, I would fight him July 2 and we would work on the contract, but I would fight Chisora first and make sure I fight. T"hey lied to me about Chelsea Stadium in 2009, then they lied to my brother. There have a been a lot of lies from David Haye and Adam Booth. We found a date July 2 to fight him, but I don't trust these guys anymore and Chisora is a great warm-up fight for me. "So he can have a fight in between. I don't care. But I don't trust this guy. I would fight him July 2, but I don't want to be inactive. I was champion before David Haye got into the heavyweight division and I will be champion after he retires. If he wants to fight, let him fight. But I'm doing my schedule my way. Either you will join it, or not." Haye, 30, the former cruiserweight champion who has had four fights since moving to heavyweight full-time in late 2008, has said repeatedly that he'll retire by his 31st birthday in October. Klitschko, a two-time titleholder who has made nine defenses during his current five-year reign, ripped Haye over the claim. "He's telling everyone, 'I'm going to retire by the end of the year and I will have my legacy.' He's going to have a legacy for the Audley Harrison fight, the most exciting heavyweight fight in history," Klitschko said derisively, referring to Haye's third-round knockout of Harrison in November in a fight universally panned as one of the worst heavyweight title bouts in recent memory. "He has no legacy whatsoever. He has this terrible disease and he has to retire? What bull---- is that? This is total nonsense. He is playing the media. He will not retire because he's a liar, liar, liar. From the beginning to the end, he's a loser liar. That's the truth about this man. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=6007881&campaign=rss&source=BOXINGHeadlines Nice article. Everything Wlad has said is reasonable, considering Haye's prior history. Every reasonable boxing fan knows whose fault it is that this fight isn't happening.

LOL... like that ever stopped a unification fight when two fighters wanted it Gayevid doesn't have to wait till May either to fight Chagaev, he can fight him at the end or March and then be ready by July 2nd to fight Wlad. But Gayevid never planned or plans to fight a Klitschko. "Sigh" if he cant fight in April cos of the Khan fight and it wont be set up in time to have a March fight and as for talk about how would he beat Wlad/Vitali probably beat Wlad the way he always loses by getting KO'd and he is probably to quick for Vitali at this point in his career

No one needs to deal with the WBA, they already said that a fight between Haye and Wlad overrules his mandatory challenger, Chagaev. But now the Haye fans are using the ' he has to fight his mandatory ' excuse. :rofl: LOL... like that ever stopped a unification fight when two fighters wanted it Gayevid doesn't have to wait till May either to fight Chagaev, he can fight him at the end or March and then be ready by July 2nd to fight Wlad. But Gayevid never planned or plans to fight a Klitschko.

only one man is speaking the truth....and his name IS NOT David Haye.

a sensible answer, take note wladisthechamp. haye seems to think that he has to fight his mandatory because wlad is fighting chisora, so is haye full of sh_it on that? one that you should have known the answer before you even asked the question, if you knew what you were talking about that is. I am not going to explain simple things to you. You should know by now that any sanctioning body has unification as a priority and that you can write up a contract anyway you want. Gayevid could have signed to fight Wlad on July 2nd and still can even though both him and Wlad have fights in between. It's not impossible and certainly doable. Gayevid just doesn't want it because he doesn't want to risk loosing to Chagaev.

I would love to see the WBA release a statement informing Haye that he can bypass his mandatory if he chooses Somebody give them a call.

Has there been any word from the WBA about Haye's mandatory? No none at all. Yet the GHaye Boys like Blobby and lfc will have you believe they're holding a gun to Haye's head.

It has been done before, I think outside of Chagaev Valuev never actually faced a mandatory defense, it was voluntary after voluntary signed with complete agreement of WBA, Haye is under the same promoter as Valuev, Saurlend, if Haye trully was disgusted with fighting a mandatory Chagaev there are more then 2 ways to have that avoided, including but not limited to: 1) Dismissing Chagaev on grounds of him having Hep B 2) Paying step aside money 3) Asking WBA to have the unification overhead of Chagaev All of these have been done before, and I am sure there are two or three other ways it could have been done by a sharp and resourceful mind. a sensible answer, take note wladisthechamp. haye seems to think that he has to fight his mandatory because wlad is fighting chisora, so is haye full of sh_it on that?

klitschkos really isnt that arrogant and complacent to fight chisora then fight haye so soon after,he says he can,but if haye would/will sign,he wont fight haye july 2nd,ide bet my house on it,not if he fights chisora on the set date already. haha,and he called haye knocking a bum out not exciting,maybe he should watch and learn how to finish off over matched opponents instead of dragging crap out and putting us all to sleep rounds before he does the same to his fat plodding opponents!.what a joker. haye needs to fight vitali,i hope vitali and haye both have the balls to fight each other,cuz lil cry baby weak chin wlad isnt fighting no one with real heavyweight power,speed and good movement.

Sadly not based on what I saw in Chagaev's last fight. Haye can easily bike for 12 rounds there with 5-6 punches per round output and he will still get a W agaisnt Chagaev Well there's always the chance that the Chagaev that fought Valuev shows up in which case Haye might be in trouble.

Yes, why not? Especially if there are stipulations and pre-conditions in case the respective fighters don't win their other fights beforehand. It's no different than having future options in a contract. Did you just start following boxing or what? yeah sure if it makes you feel better. but to be honest im not really interested in your opinions. your not capable of having a discussion and all you do is alot of cheerleading. you are 1 of the biggest nuthuggers on the site also, so i think ill take some other klitschko and haye fans opinions on this matter.

I dont know what is Haye's problem with fighting Chagaev, because in case he beats him he will get exactly twice as much from his fight with Wlad then if he decides to stay home till july 2nd Chagaev presents a huge danger for Haye. It would be his first live opponent since he left cruiserweight.

Has there been any word from the WBA about Haye's mandatory?