Rebuttal To "Year end review of Floyd and alleged PED use..."

You would think in the year plus this debate has been going on that the Manny side would find a stance to settle on. I haven't had to change my argument one iota in over a year, to me that says it all~ - 40 fights, no testing. Fine with Floyd. Fine with his fans. - Floyd wants random testing. So does his fans. - Floyd wants 14 days cutoff. Sounds good for his fans and find NOTHING wrong with 14 days cutoff. - Floyd changes from 14 to no cutoff dates. So do Floyd fans..... - Floyd has not had to think about being tested since 18 days prior to the Mosley fight. This is because the testing period was just weeks. Very different than possibly being tested at any time of the year. Meaning, the boxer knows when (which weeks) he will be tested. That's OK with the guy wanting to clean the sport. Funny enough, it's OK for his fans too! Just imagine a big fight gets signed with just 10 days notice (example: Lewis vs Vitali) Then the fighters can possibly have 355 days of that year to use PEDS and 10 days to be careful. Floyd fans keep on saying that we should follow OST but their stance keeps on changing to whatever Floyd says is OK. What's up with that? You don't want OST, you want Floyd commissioned testing. See the difference? I said this before. You need to call it a negotiation. Floyd wants it one way, Manny wanted it differently. At some point they may end up with a 5 day cut-off period and get this fight on. Since Floyd will agree, then and only then will Floyd's fans say, 5 days is fine.

Manny bleeds more during fights and doesn't seemed "Weakened" in the least. Is there proof Manny loses stamina and his punch stats and power goes down after he's cut and bleeds? After fights Manny goes to do post fight press conferences, sings, parties, etc. Who the hell is he kidding? Food for thought kids. The only thing "weak" is his constant flip flopping excuses and "accepting" full testing. If he did accept full testing he could fully test for a fight with a LESSER Mosley whom Floyd already beat. Mosely ISN'T a tougher challenge to him than Floyd. He could take the full random OST without having to worry about not facing Floyd and get it over with making Floyd, the Mayweathers and all the non-believers look like fools and skyrocket his image. Manny won't. Manny will retire before he's fully required. Random OST would make ANYONE "weak" if they stood to lose everything by testing POSITIVE. Like it or not. by pactard logic and reasoning, everyboxer might as well PED the hell up, hell shoot some grade A EPO or PED as long as it isnt detected in the book. though the OSTs requested aren't done for a whole full year, they are doing these boxers a great deal of favor by restricting tests during training camp. The whole idea is randomized testing to deter cheating during training camp, and this should have been obvious to most pacquiao fans (those with a brain do acknowledge that) they argue that OST isn't true OST if not done for an entire year, yet they argue that OST takes too much blood, something manny doesn't want and it forces manny to bend to someone else's demands. OSDT is in fact a great deterrent to cheats since it is randomized and eliminates concerns for people cycling subtances. If you have sound reasoning, there really shouldnt be any argument there. the sad thing about all this, pacquiao gets to stink up the sport even more with the lenient testing, diamond belts, gift title belts.. etc. the most corrupt and overhyped fighter ever.

:lol1: the flomos in this thread cannot give any counter rebuttals so they resort to calling everyone "pactards"

What's funny is whenever team pac changes their official stance or "excuse" in layman's term, his supports immediately hop on the wagon and wrap themselves in that excuse like a gospel spoken by jesus christ himself. Unfortunately for them, everyone else sees through the flaws and till this day there's still a strong sentiment that pacquiao does not want to get tested. In regards to the OSTS. The moment roach/pacquiao and his team began preaching taking OSTs to prove the mayweathers wrong (FYI, roach said on an interview after pac-hatton that he'll take olympic style testing), their initial stance actually gave merit to the OST demand by floyd and his team. Where was the uproar about taking these tests initially? what about the philippine interview with pacquiao where he says he'll take any tests to prove them wrong? Looking at the big picture, the hypocrisy and bulk of lie stemmed from pac's camp. I've yet to hear a good excuse why floyd's 14 days was not good enough and why pac rushed to fight a lesser opponent in joshua clottey.

Happy New Year Ya'll! This is a rebuttal in reference to this thread: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=447917 The original post is all well and good from a speculative point of view. But here's the crux of the matter... It's hilariously comical that it's only the Pacquiao fans and haters of Floyd who bring up "They should do year round drug testing" when the fact is Team Pacquiao AND Arum had no idea to bring that up BEFORE the start of, nor DURING the negotiations. More importantly, they DID NOT flat out say "No, we will not resort to Olympic style drug testing because that's a "Year Round" endeavor", again, BEFORE the start of negotiations nor DURING the negotiations. In fact, None of the governing bodies including the commission and the drug testing authorities ever brought up the "Year Round Drug Testing" issue while the negotiations were in heated mode. Case in point, it took this long (Since 2009) to finally say something that "just might" justify Manny's refusal to submit to "random" drug testing. Recap: Team Pacquiao went along with the OST plan until the excuses started flying from their side and it blew up in their face. Then they had to save face with more excuses which derailed the talks further. Just go back to 2009 for those who missed all the drama. With that said, I'll keep reverting back to this, which definitely can't be refuted for the revealing quote: Ariza: "I'm responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes." Let's also remember Arum adamantly and publicly stating on camera that "Floyd will not fight Shane Mosley because he won't fight a bigger man who can beat him." Fact: Floyd was willing to submit to the very same "random" style drug testing that Pacquiao would be submitted to. Fact: Floyd and Shane both underwent "random" drug testing AND they both passed them before their fight. Refute that one with facts. Manny Pacquiao: “I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the Mayweather fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What else can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.” http://beatsboxingmayhem.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/manny-pacquiao-politics-as-usual/ This interview were done a day before the Margarito fight and it came from Manny himself not from his waterboy Koncs. He was referring to the concession that he passed through Ross Greenburg in the 2nd negotiation that was not revealed to the public until now... If Floyd really wants to fight Manny, he should have fought this man that he considered one-dimensional, no defense, come-forward-face-first, predictable, easy-fight with 5 inches shorter reach and 3 inches shorter in height midget back in March last year with no qualms and no demands!!!!

You would think in the year plus this debate has been going on that the Manny side would find a stance to settle on. I haven't had to change my argument one iota in over a year, to me that says it all~

Uptight? The only thing uptight is my belt on that a ss with these postal whippings you're getting. In 2009, nobody even cared about the issue because there were negotiations going on for a single month. The month of December. So, don't try to get slick with me Willie trying to make it look like its been a whole two years that this whole charade of wanting "better drug testing". lol, 2009. Manny raped Cotto in November 2009, and then the crackheads started with all of their allegations. 2009. lo f ucking l. One whole damn month. 31 freaking days! 2009! Yea, thats where I was with it. Heres an even better question, where were you in the decade of 2000 with demands for better drug testing within the sport of boxing? Lets be real about it. Fighters had been getting caught early in the decade, american fighters mind you, and you didn't think to make some noise about it until the last month of 2009, and only because an american fighter accused a foreign fighter of using? In regards to the commissions, since "they're the pros", they obviously see no need for extra tests. So whats the hold up again? Oh yea, vacation. Like my mom used to tell me when I was about to get whipped with the belt, "bend over and grab your ankles". :dance::dance:

this has nothing to do with the commission--manny and freddy agreed to the ost's, did they not? from the start of the negotiations with floyd back in late 2009, they said yes--then they lied and changed their stance and wanted cutoff dates-- they agreed to way better testing than anyone has to go through, still pretty damn commendable for someone who has no history of using and has only been asked to take the test by the commission manny said he lost to morales because he felt weak before their first fight because of the blood test(even though, he blamed the gloves right after the fight)--maybe because he wasn't allowed to use his ped's for that fight and he lost-- you ****ers already believe manny is on drugs cause your hero, the racist woman beating coward piece of **** saiys he is.. you already made up your mind. then morales lost to rahim, and lost all of his negotiation power regarding a blood test in the rematch, and manny didn't have to take anymore blood tests, so he was allowed to use his ped's again--has anyone ever thought about that-- the fukk are you talking about? morales didn't ask for stricter testing. he never did in their trilogy. you know why? cause he ain't a *****. manny dominated morales in the 2nd and 3rd fight---hmm? his energy was very high in those fights? why was that? what, i thought you guys said he was shot? so morales being shot isn't enough? manny has to be on drugs too? why didn't he fight rahim after morales lost to him--did zaheer request blood tests?/QUOTE] cause raheem was a tune up fight gone wrong. you also realize that manny just came from featherweight when he fought morales and just moved to superfeatherweight and raheem was a lightweight right? you also realize that manny didn't go to 135 until he fought diaz which was just a couple of years ago? you also fail to realize that zaheer sucks balls. :lol1: you only bring him up because he is supposed to be the "slick black guy" manny has ducked... fukking racist retards manny bleeds more in fights than a needle would do to him--- and didn't he have blood drawn for the clottey fight?(hiv test i believe) and sparred the very next day? i think he damn sure did-lol and went hard in sparring with no problems--manny can't fool me and mindbat--he has surely fooled you-- ive stated this already, the commission determined it is unsafe that is why they did not implement it. that, together with its cost. so you are asking manny to take tests that is not required to be taken by anyone else, but is also deemed to present additional risks. just cause floyd says so? fucking l

say that all of those guys on here who didn't give their stance on their arguments, instead just bashed mindbat's thread--why didn't you call them out? it works both ways cowboy-lol mindbat gave acutal facts out, and he was bashed with no valid arguments from pacfans--did you call them out for it? the ****? did you actually read the first two pages of this thread? :lol1:

what about your point that the commission are the "pros" well, the "pros" said blood testing up to the day of the fight is bullshit.. what do you say to that? and :lol1: at the fellow flomos comforting your owned ass...this has nothing to do with the commission--manny and freddy agreed to the ost's, did they not? from the start of the negotiations with floyd back in late 2009, they said yes--then they lied and changed their stance and wanted cutoff dates-- manny said he lost to morales because he felt weak before their first fight because of the blood test(even though, he blamed the gloves right after the fight)--maybe because he wasn't allowed to use his ped's for that fight and he lost-- then morales lost to rahim, and lost all of his negotiation power regarding a blood test in the rematch, and manny didn't have to take anymore blood tests, so he was allowed to use his ped's again--has anyone ever thought about that-- manny dominated morales in the 2nd and 3rd fight---hmm? his energy was very high in those fights? why was that? why didn't he fight rahim after morales lost to him--did zaheer request blood tests? manny bleeds more in fights than a needle would do to him--- and didn't he have blood drawn for the clottey fight?(hiv test i believe) and sparred the very next day? i think he damn sure did-lol and went hard in sparring with no problems--manny can't fool me and mindbat--he has surely fooled you--

It's pretty clear that this whole thing of Pacquiao fans trying to insinuate Mayweather is cheating is just a deflection campaign. It shows that in their heart of hearts they probably do really think Pacman is juicing.

oh here we go.... little floyd cock suckers can't give valid arguments and calling those who aren't over the fake ass ped crusade pactards. at least give a fukking argument on your stance...say that all of those guys on here who didn't give their stance on their arguments, instead just bashed mindbat's thread--why didn't you call them out? it works both ways cowboy-lol mindbat gave acutal facts out, and he was bashed with no valid arguments from pacfans--did you call them out for it?

reading how mindbat is getting owned his own thread makes me laugh--because all of the repsonses from his detractors are nothing more than insults, usual-lol insults don't warrant facts--mindbat presented facts in his posts, and manny fans insulted him and floyd and forgot to present facts with their insults-- instead, they high 5'd each other over the internet saying how mindbad is getting owned, when he in fact doesn't even have to respond to you all anymore---his 1st post says it all--lol the following posts that brought hate, garner no merit--they were just insults--good thread mindbat-

ost=bullshit, old ass topic still brought up by the flomos cause their hero is a woman beating security guard poking racist coward piece of ****. :lol1:

point blank pac fans are against a higher standard of drug testing until pac says differently oh here we go.... little floyd cock suckers can't give valid arguments and calling those who aren't over the fake ass ped crusade pactards. at least give a fukking argument on your stance...

point blank pac fans are against a higher standard of drug testing until pac says differently

mindbat didn't refute any points. he just basically said, "pactardz are stoopid... i wasnot owned. lulz" :lol1:

That's what I've been wondering all this time. Let's flip that script: Freddie and Bob know what Floyd is capable of and don't want Manny anywhere near Floyd right now. Every Pac fan's hopes were dashed when Floyd turned the tables on Shane, who'm according to Bobfather and Pac fans he was "Ducking and Scared Of Fighting". what about your point that the commission are the "pros" well, the "pros" said blood testing up to the day of the fight is bullshit.. what do you say to that? and :lol1: at the fellow flomos comforting your owned ass...

That's what I've been wondering all this time. Let's flip that script: Freddie and Bob know what Floyd is capable of and don't want Manny anywhere near Floyd right now. Every Pac fan's hopes were dashed when Floyd turned the tables on Shane, who'm according to Bobfather and Pac fans he was "Ducking and Scared Of Fighting". Floyd didn't turn the tables on anything HBO wouldn't settle for anyone but Shane Floyd fears Pac, he just has money for now

this is more "flomo" bs. where r the real facts to "own" the ts? That's what I've been wondering all this time. Floyd is a bitch and wants no part of Pac because he knows Pac will fuck him up, that is all Let's flip that script: Freddie and Bob know what Floyd is capable of and don't want Manny anywhere near Floyd right now. Every Pac fan's hopes were dashed when Floyd turned the tables on Shane, who'm according to Bobfather and Pac fans he was "Ducking and Scared Of Fighting".