Why agree a fight with Haye, then announce another fight?

I think both of them are to blame, but I believe haye is afraid while Wladimir is merely being contemptuous of haye. I agree with this. Haye should never have shown his hand by making such a big deal about his retirement. Wlad knows Haye's time is ticking down and that his options are limited outside of a Klitschko bout, so he's making things awkward, perhaps in an effort to make Haye fight on past 2011, perhaps merely to make him look like an impotent fool. Yes, it's petty and ultimately only hurts us fans, but Haye seems to have really pissed Wlad off like no other and it wouldn't be out of the question that Wlas wants to get revenge. I doubt very much if any aspect of cowardice is involved here.

Anymore valid arguments to this?

Wlad is a duck. Quack quack haye withdrew three times from the Klitschko brothers...once after signing the contract! Spin it however you like, haye was the one who declared, as soon as he could, that he wanted no more to do with Wladimir. If haye wanted the fight he would let Wladimir bow out instead of being the first to whine and moan. He would also vacate his WBA belt since, if he thinks he would win, he would get Wladimir's belts after that fight. I think both of them are to blame, but I believe haye is afraid while Wladimir is merely being contemptuous of haye.

Wlad is a duck. Quack quack

Thanx for clearing that up, seems straight forward enough Wlad has in a round about way ducked Haye, its unreasonable to expect Haye to fight so close to the biggest fight of his life especially when he usually fights like every 8months! Haye wont give up his title because then he's fukked at negotiations plus the fight might not happen and he's left with no title either! Wlad has crashed this fight but i dont know why, he seems to genuinely hate Haye and want to KO him, he will be a handy favourite to do it too and whatever we say the guy fights everyone and tends not to duck, why has he done this!? Cheers again for clearing the situation up, k on the way! No worries fella, that's certainly the facts as I've seen, course I could be slightly corrected (haven't yet but welcome). But the simple fact is Wlad must have known as someone put it, this would invalidate the immediate unification rule allowing them both to fight. The WBA will strip Haye if Wlad fights, so Wlad's choosing to fight. I'm slightly surprised too. I don't want to get into the why's as I don't mind Wlad, but this is a seriously ****ty move and he must have known would ruin the fight. So you have to question whether he wanted it. He seems to be putting hoops everywhere to try and make a deal fail, and with Haye agreeing that's called his bluff and he's get to get advanced with picking funny dates and now agreeing another fight, to scupper the Haye fight. It's very weird indeed, and I'm sorry to say, a blatant duck imo. Both have messed around, but this was the final straw and Wlad's done his very best to avoid it happening whilst trying in weird ways to make it appear opposite so.

its simple, wlad has ducked haye, he knows wba will strip haye if he waits around without a signed contract, wlad wants no part of haye at all

from what ive read an that the wba will only let it happen if its an immediate unification match, if wlad fights before it then it makes it invalid and haye has to fight chagaev or get stripped of the title... just though maybe wlad doesnt trust haye and doesnt want to wait until july and risk haye pulling out or postponing and losing nearly a year of his career... because wladimir as angry last time about waitin months for haye and then it was cancelled.. but surely wlad cant think haye would pull out with all that money in the pot and 4 titles...plus it seems like haye really believes he can beat wlad now Interesting point. haye did pull out of a signed contract already.

Yeah basically, that was the case based on that being both of they're next fight. Read the article and listen to the audio clip fella, made it clearer. Wlad went away and suddenly signed for Chisora, saying Haye I'll still fight you 8 weeks later, I can't sign to fight you though, and you'll have to quickly fight someone too, to keep your belt. Reason being, Haye was only able to duck a mandatory and be awarded this delay of July 2nd because it was a unification fight. It seems with Wlad facing someone else and not being able to SIGN to fight Haye until after that fight (April) Haye cannot make that approach for a delay with the WBA. Afterall, he has no fight. Wlad has put himself in a position Wlad himself can't sign thus Haye would have to fight a mandatory and somehow hope 6ish weeks later Wlad would then somehow fight him. I actually think when taken apart, it's a fairly blatant duck. Don't get me wrong I don't mind Wlad and favour him. But it quite simply is. You would not do all this if you wanted the fight. Even now knowing its ruined it, he could scrap Chisora and sign for Haye as negotiated. HE WON'T. Thanx for clearing that up, seems straight forward enough Wlad has in a round about way ducked Haye, its unreasonable to expect Haye to fight so close to the biggest fight of his life especially when he usually fights like every 8months! Haye wont give up his title because then he's fukked at negotiations plus the fight might not happen and he's left with no title either! Wlad has crashed this fight but i dont know why, he seems to genuinely hate Haye and want to KO him, he will be a handy favourite to do it too and whatever we say the guy fights everyone and tends not to duck, why has he done this!? Cheers again for clearing the situation up, k on the way!

from what ive read an that the wba will only let it happen if its an immediate unification match, if wlad fights before it then it makes it invalid and haye has to fight chagaev or get stripped of the title... just though maybe wlad doesnt trust haye and doesnt want to wait until july and risk haye pulling out or postponing and losing nearly a year of his career... because wladimir as angry last time about waitin months for haye and then it was cancelled.. but surely wlad cant think haye would pull out with all that money in the pot and 4 titles...plus it seems like haye really believes he can beat wlad now

it's not a duck persay but wlad's mindgames are potentially ruining the fight, so the blame for the fight not happening falls squarely on wlad's shoulders. I think you probably have the best account of it. It may be that Wladimir is playing mind games or that he does not want the fight, but I do NOT think it is because he is afraid or worried he might lose. I do believe it is because he deplores haye to the depths of contempt.

Correct me if im wrong mate, and theres a good chance i am (all this on off shiit is hard to keep up with!) but didnt they both agree on July 2nd? So the WBA must be ok with it. Wlad is taking a big gamble fighting so close but isnt it his right as champ and it wont effect haye coz haye will be in the same place regardless - fighting on July 2nd? Yeah basically, that was the case based on that being both of they're next fight. Read the article and listen to the audio clip fella, made it clearer. Wlad went away and suddenly signed for Chisora, saying Haye I'll still fight you 8 weeks later, I can't sign to fight you though, and you'll have to quickly fight someone too, to keep your belt. Reason being, Haye was only able to duck a mandatory and be awarded this delay of July 2nd because it was a unification fight. It seems with Wlad facing someone else and not being able to SIGN to fight Haye until after that fight (April) Haye cannot make that approach for a delay with the WBA. Afterall, he has no fight. Wlad has put himself in a position Wlad himself can't sign thus Haye would have to fight a mandatory and somehow hope 6ish weeks later Wlad would then somehow fight him. I actually think when taken apart, it's a fairly blatant duck. Don't get me wrong I don't mind Wlad and favour him. But it quite simply is. You would not do all this if you wanted the fight. Even now knowing its ruined it, he could scrap Chisora and sign for Haye as negotiated. HE WON'T.

The question just seems to begger an answer to me. Why come through all those negotiation squabbles mostly put in place by him (perhaps to try to scrapper the deal earlier & blame Haye) and then without making Haye aware, suddenly announce fighting Chisora? He had to know signing that would have the WBA stop Haye waiting until Wlad for a unification. He had to have known it'd force Haye to sort a fight out very quickly for May, only to fight even less than the already ridiciulously short 8/9 weeks Wlad would be. Also, Why would Wlad agree all these terms, and then sign this fight causing him to NOT BE ABLE TO SIGN TO FIGHT HAYE UNTIL AFTER APRIL?? Correct me if im wrong mate, and theres a good chance i am (all this on off shiit is hard to keep up with!) but didnt they both agree on July 2nd? So the WBA must be ok with it. Wlad is taking a big gamble fighting so close but isnt it his right as champ and it wont effect haye coz haye will be in the same place regardless - fighting on July 2nd?

yeah its some strange sh*t......... if wlad is confident of beating haye then why not chisora after haye? chisora's young in the game let him fight 1 or 2 good fighters between now and after haye-klitschko... he was dissing about shannon briggs why not do that.... But this kind of stinks of frank warren trying to get at david haye for some reason (maybe because he promotes himself, warrens got a history of trying to stifle fighters who have left him or promote themselves)... if warren wouldn't have come up with the ridiculous chisora fight ,and no doubt trying to put pressure on for it to happen before haye over the last few weeks, this fight could be happening. If frank warren is such a fan and historian of the sport ahe should come out and say haye-klitschko should happen first for the good of the sport... no doubt he wont though

because for whatever reason, he doesn't fancy it anymore.

I don't understand it either. Wlad should just skip the Chisora fight. It makes no sense to have it.

it's not a duck persay but wlad's mindgames are potentially ruining the fight, so the blame for the fight not happening falls squarely on wlad's shoulders.

The logical conclusion is, Wlad never wanted the fight. Screw him. Boxing won't even have a reason to mention his name once Haye retires.

cuz he's a duck