How many of you thought Pacquiao..

Opinion/Accusation, you can call it what you want. And who cares if other people thought that way.. THAT'S MY POINT. Just like you said, quoting you. "he just put it out there" The guy who sued everybody.

Okay sorry guys.. I didn't realize I was suppose to know when all of you STARTED thinking Manny was on something before I made this thread. Sorry, didn't know I was suppose to be a mind reader. Only reason I asked "How many of you thought Manny was on PED's before Mayweather Sr. put it out there" was because that's what I personally feel started it all. Yeah Manny's lame excuses (i'm a fan, and can admit they are VERY suspicious) escalated the suspicion.. BUT FOR ME.. Mayweather Sr accusing him of it is where it FIRST started. Even if you didn't believe what he said or you don't give a f*** what that man has to say. The minute he put it out there. YOU THOUGHT SOMETHING of it. So that's where it started. Now whatever that something that popped into your head at that time is what i'm asking. nope while for the most part on here I am one of the regular posters I also work for this site covering boxing. I can tell you this topic (steroid use) has been talked about for as long as I have worked within the sport (2005) the first time personally I heard Manny thrown into the conversation was in Feb of 2009 amongst a few writers it got steam and became more and more a topic of debate amongst people we trust just like any topic of boxing we approached you can believe what you want but in the case of Floyd Sr you guys are reversing the actuality of the situation and now you guys essentially have the carriage leading the horse Floyd Sr drew his opinions from the whispers and discussions many people had prior to him going off in Sept 2009 not vice versa

was on PED's before Mayweather Sr. came out and accused him of it? It really doesn't matter now, is it, when the basis of suspicion, ie, abnormal weight gain, etc., had been debunked in threads after threads, two of which were bumped by DTMB. Which is why these Pac accusers are back to their basic "Pac refuses to take tests, therefore he is guilty" stance. They lost the weight argument. So whatever suspicion somebody raised prior to Floyd Sr., is now meaningless. There's simply no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, linking Pac to peds.

The moment he acted stupid, and starting lying and reciting every excuse in the book for not taking the drug test legitimized any gossip, hearsay or even jokes that he is taking PEDS. pacquiao doesnt know how to act when asked about steroids, he even claims he doesnt know what it was which is just :rofl: it screams guilt and being curvballed into something he didnt want to talk about So I guess your answer is "no it didn't start when mayweather sr put it out there" thx.

:ThinkingoMay snr wasn't the only one who thought that way... he just put it out there.. what started as an opinion, somehow became an accusation. smh Opinion/Accusation, you can call it what you want. And who cares if other people thought that way.. THAT'S MY POINT. Just like you said, quoting you. "he just put it out there"

The moment he acted stupid, and starting lying and reciting every excuse in the book for not taking the drug test legitimized any gossip, hearsay or even jokes that he is taking PEDS. pacquiao doesnt know how to act when asked about steroids, he even claims he doesnt know what it was which is just :rofl: it screams guilt and being curvballed into something he didnt want to talk about

Okay sorry guys.. I didn't realize I was suppose to know when all of you STARTED thinking Manny was on something before I made this thread. Sorry, didn't know I was suppose to be a mind reader. Only reason I asked "How many of you thought Manny was on PED's before Mayweather Sr. put it out there" was because that's what I personally feel started it all. Yeah Manny's lame excuses (i'm a fan, and can admit they are VERY suspicious) escalated the suspicion.. BUT FOR ME.. Mayweather Sr accusing him of it is where it FIRST started. Even if you didn't believe what he said or you don't give a f*** what that man has to say. The minute he put it out there. YOU THOUGHT SOMETHING of it. So that's where it started. Now whatever that something that popped into your head at that time is what i'm asking. :ThinkingoMay snr wasn't the only one who thought that way... he just put it out there.. what started as an opinion, somehow became an accusation. smh

Basically the minute he said it you either thought "I don't give a eff what he thinks I know Manny is clean" or "Damn.. he's right.. Manny has looked super human" no one thought "i don't care what he says and I don't care about the topic at all" because you all do.

Okay sorry guys.. I didn't realize I was suppose to know when all of you STARTED thinking Manny was on something before I made this thread. Sorry, didn't know I was suppose to be a mind reader. Only reason I asked "How many of you thought Manny was on PED's before Mayweather Sr. put it out there" was because that's what I personally feel started it all. Yeah Manny's lame excuses (i'm a fan, and can admit they are VERY suspicious) escalated the suspicion.. BUT FOR ME.. Mayweather Sr accusing him of it is where it FIRST started. Even if you didn't believe what he said or you don't give a f*** what that man has to say. The minute he put it out there. YOU THOUGHT SOMETHING of it. So that's where it started. Now whatever that something that popped into your head at that time is what i'm asking.

bump for Alibata

I dare anyone to submit any thread, article, video, pre dating floyd sr. as to Manny using Peds.. As a matter of fact, many if not most of the Flomos were Manny fans prior to Pacquiao being a threat to Floyd. Even Floyd himself was a fan. um okay but will you admit defeat or ownage if I do show you?

Naa. The bigger excuse is this out-of-this-world demand never before demanded in boxing history. Even then the world adjusted to it. No reason why you fanatics can't like you're some kind of Talibanized bunch of fanatics. No offense to the Taliban, btw.:boxing: Nah, the excuses are what Manny said. Not what you wish he did.

Notice how every Pac stans avoids this? It's always Floyd Sr or whatever? Naa. The bigger excuse is this out-of-this-world demand never before demanded in boxing history. Even then the world adjusted to it. No reason why you fanatics can't like you're some kind of Talibanized bunch of fanatics. No offense to the Taliban, btw.:boxing:

Notice how every Pac stans avoids this? It's always Floyd Sr or whatever? Yeah i dont get why they alway put out sr for some reason, I mean they call him a crackhead and they still believe people listen to that same crackhead...lol, All they need to do is look closer to home and see why people thought manny was on something.

I honestly started suspecting that he was on some Steroids or PED's because how he was so dominant against naturally bigger fighters. The dude was moving up in weight destroying everyone and I wasnt use to seeing a fighter do that in my lifetime!! I had heard that older fighters like Armstrong moved up and fought naturally bigger fighters, but that was like movingup two ro three weight classes. Pacquiao started at what? 108 or 112 lbs to what 150 lbs, That is just amazing man, Im not saying he did or didnt, but I wouldnt be surprised that he did!!!

I didn't really care when Sr was saying it. I started to think he was suspicious when all these random excuses kept being made for not taking extra tests. The way that Pacquaio, Arum, Roach and Ariza all acted and the things they said made me think maybe something fishy is going on, because it was a classic case of everyone trying to deny it in a panic and not singing off the same hymn sheet as a result. I can't KNOW whether or not he is taking PED's and I will not accuse him of it as I don't even necessarily think that he is, but I will not blindly say he is not taking any, because I have no proof that he isn't. Innocent until prove guilty, but suspicious by ones own actions. This is the way i feel too, You got to laugh at those fans who think everyone jump on the bandwagon when Mayweather snr said something, Most actually dont pay him any attention but the way Team pacquiao accept then reject and laying down different excuses made people suspicious.

str8 after the Cotto job... then those lame excuses started

fukk Sr!!!!....when he said Manny was on something I laughed at his ass because thats some sh!t a shook mofo would say.....its when Manny came lame with the excuses to NOT take the tests that had me wondering.....:pat: Notice how every Pac stans avoids this? It's always Floyd Sr or whatever?

I dont even know what PED is or was, Didnt even realise Mayweather snr accuse him of anything, But i heard rumblings about him after the Hatton fight from boxing fans in general, I think him accepting testing then refusing rejecting it with dumb excuses made this thing a whole lot big than whatever Mayweather snr said.

fukk Sr!!!!....when he said Manny was on something I laughed at his ass because thats some sh!t a shook mofo would say.....its when Manny came lame with the excuses to NOT take the tests that had me wondering.....:pat: