Pac and Hopkins are not on PED's. End it.

stop whining it's debate and speculation if you cannot handle that on a boxing message board where all subject matter relating to boxing is discussed then talk amongst your friends or something, but stop whining Wow knew that was coming. Its not though. Stop being an idiot. Its floyd fans spamming bull**** that hurts boxing and Pac fans egg them on. Thats not debate, thats children who listened to a crackhead, took it for truth and ran with it no matter who it hurts. Your very naive TS. Awesome...I never said its not possible, it is genius. I dont feel they are. The point is that to constantly slander them (mainly Pac but anyone for that matter) when they have never tested positive is extremely ridiculous and bad for the sport thats going through a hard enough time. It would be naive to think otherwise.

who gives a sh1t if they are/ were......shane was on ped's and he still got beat bad by winky and forrest.....not any amount of ped's can help you out in the elite level ,period......NONE!

Your very naive TS.

This crap is beyond annoying and stupid at this point. I'm sick of seeing it. (and yeah I realize this technically is another one but what can ya do). Do people realize all this talk is hurting boxing? Get a clue...constantly talking about boxing's biggest superstar being on ped's is not good. You can't be boxing fans. Idc if you're a Floyd fan or not, hurting boxing's image is never good so stfu about it. Do you not realize the accusations in the first place were just a ploy? Its mind games and was never about cleaning up the sport. All of this stemmed from Mayweather Sr...the same guy everyone calls insane. Didn't he say Pac was from another planet or something even? Its ridiculous that people actually listened to him in the first place, some of you kids are really grasping at straws. Mayweather might never even fight again at this point so get out of his ass already. I'm really trying to avoid another childish and useless Pac vs Mayweather debate so I'm ending this post now. They're not PED's and stop trying to ruin the sport because of a bias. Its not good for anyone. Stick to one damn thread at least, we don't need 150 threads bashing Pac or Hopkins about it. stop whining it's debate and speculation if you cannot handle that on a boxing message board where all subject matter relating to boxing is discussed then talk amongst your friends or something, but stop whining

Theres some good posters in this thread but a lot of people are missing the point. Take Hopkins out if you want and the point remains the same. I only mentioned him since I've heard about him with PED's again after the Pascal fight, he is not the point of the thread.

5'2-248! lol Yea that's one hell of a mental picture to give someone. I hear yea about not giving the real stats. I wouldn't either. Anyway i'm no expert man. I don't know much about PEDS either. But yea you a cool dude. I'm sure we'll come across something on here sooner or later either agreeing or disagreeing! Happy New Year! Same to you bro!

Bold: I here you there! I have many people under the impression im 5'2-248...Only cause I don't give out real stats online. I mean, who would believe it anyway, right? Good to hear you keep in shape, folks really don't know how much of a benifit it really is. Never really spoke with you before Wess, you a cool cat. Maybe I will catch you in a debate where you and I know a bit more (cause I will be the first to tell you, i'm no PED expert). Peace. 5'2-248! lol Yea that's one hell of a mental picture to give someone. I hear yea about not giving the real stats. I wouldn't either. Anyway i'm no expert man. I don't know much about PEDS either. But yea you a cool dude. I'm sure we'll come across something on here sooner or later either agreeing or disagreeing! Happy New Year!

This crap is beyond annoying and stupid at this point. I'm sick of seeing it. (and yeah I realize this technically is another one but what can ya do). Do people realize all this talk is hurting boxing? Get a clue...constantly talking about boxing's biggest superstar being on ped's is not good. You can't be boxing fans. Idc if you're a Floyd fan or not, hurting boxing's image is never good so stfu about it. Do you not realize the accusations in the first place were just a ploy? Its mind games and was never about cleaning up the sport. All of this stemmed from Mayweather Sr...the same guy everyone calls insane. Didn't he say Pac was from another planet or something even? Its ridiculous that people actually listened to him in the first place, some of you kids are really grasping at straws. Mayweather might never even fight again at this point so get out of his ass already. I'm really trying to avoid another childish and useless Pac vs Mayweather debate so I'm ending this post now. They're not PED's and stop trying to ruin the sport because of a bias. Its not good for anyone. Stick to one damn thread at least, we don't need 150 threads bashing Pac or Hopkins about it. Yes, and the greatest actors of all time are Robert Deniro, Al Pacino, Denzel Washington and Pablo Guzman.. Lets see if one of these guys dont fit. Maybe no one will notice.

lol Well thanks for looking out. Like I said I did a lot of research asked around and not just anyone. I was and still not any expert but I showed excellent results when I was on cycle. I mean if they needed someone to sell the product I would have been a poster child as I had nothing bad to say and wondered why EVERYONE else was the opposite. Plus had great physical results (appearance wise too). But its probably because i'm very careful with what I eat drink etc. When on that stuff I didn't even drink Soda/coke/pepsi etc. Anyway lucky or knowledgeable either way it was a good experience and worked perfectly for me but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't do it again just because we all do stupid things at one point or anther and its not worth it. That stuff was dangerous. amen... :boxing:

Happy New Year wess... My sister is a doctor and I asked her to read your post... she says good thing you know what you were doing but overall she says you are one damn lucky guy not to have side effects. According to her this things should be taken only under the supervision of qualified medical practitioners. Most specially if its being taken on regular basis. lol Well thanks for looking out. Like I said I did a lot of research asked around and not just anyone. I was and still not any expert but I showed excellent results when I was on cycle. I mean if they needed someone to sell the product I would have been a poster child as I had nothing bad to say and wondered why EVERYONE else was the opposite. Plus had great physical results (appearance wise too). But its probably because i'm very careful with what I eat drink etc. When on that stuff I didn't even drink Soda/coke/pepsi etc. Anyway lucky or knowledgeable either way it was a good experience and worked perfectly for me but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't do it again just because we all do stupid things at one point or anther and its not worth it. That stuff was dangerous.

TS a true standup-comedian. Pac's juiced to tha max. True story. :lol1:

Naa not at all actually. I felt better than ever while training. Nothing negative at all. I can actually say if taken right, with a good diet and training it DOES work. Just have PST and a lot of milk thistle which is good for the liver. But yea, I stopped as it became a banned PED. Sucks because like I said if you did it right it wasn't bad. Its like anything, you take too much of anything and its bad for you. I'm not in any way promoting ANDRO or saying that EVERYONE should do it because you shouldn't. It is and can be dangerous if you don't know what your doing. I did. Anyway I've never taken anything and got rage or bad sides. Either I was lucky or just knew what I was doing. Might have been both! Happy New Year wess... My sister is a doctor and I asked her to read your post... she says good thing you know what you were doing but overall she says you are one damn lucky guy not to have side effects. According to her this things should be taken only under the supervision of qualified medical practitioners. Most specially if its being taken on regular basis.

Yea that is REALLY REALLY BAD, you will destroy your liver like that. This is one reason why it was banned. Too many people not taking it the right way. Its was VERY imperative to do research and have PST (post cycle therapy) to follow. Like I said I never had one single problem and was killing it. I'm still killing it in the gym TBH. But I always say I got where I'm at becasue of ANDRO and its exactly where I wanted to be. It was the starting point. Anyone that sold that stuff and didn't tell you how to do it right was just wrong. Luckily I had good friends who knew what they where doing and helped me and I helped others because NOBODY at that time it seemed (to me) knew how to do it right and it didn't really tell you on the bottle. Anyway its all good about the Hop thing. Like I said I don't follow him too much and never heard anyone mention PEDS related to him but like I said I don't follow ever move he makes. Bold: I here you there! I have many people under the impression im 5'2-248...Only cause I don't give out real stats online. I mean, who would believe it anyway, right? Good to hear you keep in shape, folks really don't know how much of a benifit it really is. Never really spoke with you before Wess, you a cool cat. Maybe I will catch you in a debate where you and I know a bit more (cause I will be the first to tell you, i'm no PED expert). Peace.

Sorry bout not finding a link, there may be other folks that know more about it than me (the Hopkins thing)... Anyway, when I lived in AZ, this cat that owned powerhouse gym tried to sell me some Andro. I didn't buy any, but my boy did. Dude used to hold me up in the weight room, after he started taking that Andro, dude was a monster. He caught up to me fast. He did not take good care of his body though...Dude smoked and drank all the time. He had bad mood swings (I had to lump him up at one point), he also started have chest pains and heart problems (he was on it for about 2 months). Then they banned it (Mark Mcgwiure (spelling) was also on Andro stacked with other things)... My boys doctor told him if he didn't stop taking it, he could be at risk of a massive heart attack...At 21. That is one of the reasons I have never put anything in my body. Yea that is REALLY REALLY BAD, you will destroy your liver like that. This is one reason why it was banned. Too many people not taking it the right way. Its was VERY imperative to do research and have PST (post cycle therapy) to follow. Like I said I never had one single problem and was killing it. I'm still killing it in the gym TBH. But I always say I got where I'm at becasue of ANDRO and its exactly where I wanted to be. It was the starting point. Anyone that sold that stuff and didn't tell you how to do it right was just wrong. Luckily I had good friends who knew what they where doing and helped me and I helped others because NOBODY at that time it seemed (to me) knew how to do it right and it didn't really tell you on the bottle. Anyway its all good about the Hop thing. Like I said I don't follow him too much and never heard anyone mention PEDS related to him but like I said I don't follow ever move he makes.

Naa not at all actually. I felt better than ever while training. Nothing negative at all. I can actually say if taken right, with a good diet and training it DOES work. Just have PST and a lot of milk thistle which is good for the liver. But yea, I stopped as it became a banned PED. Sucks because like I said if you did it right it wasn't bad. Its like anything, you take too much of anything and its bad for you. I'm not in any way promoting ANDRO or saying that EVERYONE should do it because you shouldn't. It is and can be dangerous if you don't know what your doing. I did. Anyway I've never taken anything and got rage or bad sides. Either I was lucky or just knew what I was doing. Might have been both! Sorry bout not finding a link, there may be other folks that know more about it than me (the Hopkins thing)... Anyway, when I lived in AZ, this cat that owned powerhouse gym tried to sell me some Andro. I didn't buy any, but my boy did. Dude used to hold me up in the weight room, after he started taking that Andro, dude was a monster. He caught up to me fast. He did not take good care of his body though...Dude smoked and drank all the time. He had bad mood swings (I had to lump him up at one point), he also started have chest pains and heart problems (he was on it for about 2 months). Then they banned it (Mark Mcgwiure (spelling) was also on Andro stacked with other things)... My boys doctor told him if he didn't stop taking it, he could be at risk of a massive heart attack...At 21. That is one of the reasons I have never put anything in my body.

Bold: That's not good (lol)! Good thing you stopped, Bet you felt like a monster though, temper and all. Naa not at all actually. I felt better than ever while training. Nothing negative at all. I can actually say if taken right, with a good diet and training it DOES work. Just have PST and a lot of milk thistle which is good for the liver. But yea, I stopped as it became a banned PED. Sucks because like I said if you did it right it wasn't bad. Its like anything, you take too much of anything and its bad for you. I'm not in any way promoting ANDRO or saying that EVERYONE should do it because you shouldn't. It is and can be dangerous if you don't know what your doing. I did. Anyway I've never taken anything and got rage or bad sides. Either I was lucky or just knew what I was doing. Might have been both!

just want to read it thats it and at what time in his career he was accused,nothing would suprise me if he was cheating. find the link just curious. Soory for not having a link, i guess my point was, many are so quick to condeem many, and yet so quick to defend others. I understand Manny did himself no favors in the handling of the situation, but a fighter just saying the will take a test, and never taking it, is good for some people. That's not right to me. In the Manny/Floyd talks, several fighters came out and said they would take the test...Have they? Just cause they say it, doesn't make them clean.

I'm not a big Hop fan but I would be interested as to see this. IMO I think a lot of boxers have in the past have used some sort of PED. At one point a lot of illegal PEDS where legal or unknown. So in a way a lot of fighters, if not all have taken something that by today's standards is an illegal PED. Hell back in 2005, I was taking ANDRO and by today's standards of that is illegal or in another words you cant just buy it from your local GNC etc. I don't know where i'm going with this but I can see how any fighter at one point has taken something that by today's standards can be looked at as a PED. I question weather Mayweather OR any other fighter that is on long vacations if they do anything. I think any fighter that has a license has to under go all year testing. Weather Blood or urine is TBD. But I think some kind of testing should be done just so people like Mayweather or ANY other fighter that goes on long vacations is validated and accounted for. This falls in line with the Mayweather requesting Pac (or any fighter) to do blood testing. I see no problem with that. Its the other X months that they are not being tested that concerns me. Avoiding the tests like a plague is another concern and one could say being 46 and whooping up on young guys could be a concern I suppose. Bold: That's not good (lol)! Good thing you stopped, Bet you felt like a monster though, temper and all.

just want to read it thats it and at what time in his career he was accused,nothing would suprise me if he was cheating. find the link just curious. That topic had no link. The info that was spoke about was from 2001. From what I read, it seems as it may have been a Cotto/Margo situation. Meaning, after Margo beat Cotto, there were rumors Margo was on roids. That was soon put to rest when the test came back. Could have been a situation like that. I do know he has been accused. Never read it anywhere, just heard it.

What is a link going to do? I didn't say he was on anything, or caught for it. There were mumblings in the boxing community that he had taken PEDS before. Why is that so hard for you to believe? I will try and find a link for you though. I'm not a big Hop fan but I would be interested as to see this. IMO I think a lot of boxers have in the past have used some sort of PED. At one point a lot of illegal PEDS where legal or unknown. So in a way a lot of fighters, if not all have taken something that by today's standards is an illegal PED. Hell back in 2005, I was taking ANDRO and by today's standards of that is illegal or in another words you cant just buy it from your local GNC etc. I don't know where i'm going with this but I can see how any fighter at one point has taken something that by today's standards can be looked at as a PED. I question weather Mayweather OR any other fighter that is on long vacations if they do anything. I think any fighter that has a license has to under go all year testing. Weather Blood or urine is TBD. But I think some kind of testing should be done just so people like Mayweather or ANY other fighter that goes on long vacations is validated and accounted for. This falls in line with the Mayweather requesting Pac (or any fighter) to do blood testing. I see no problem with that. Its the other X months that they are not being tested that concerns me. Avoiding the tests like a plague is another concern and one could say being 46 and whooping up on young guys could be a concern I suppose.