My honest opinion of Manny and PEDs

without floyd boxing can survive ,he isnt bigger than boxing except the thinking of his crackhead followers on this forum. extra doping test is the extra measures of KFC not to fight pacman that is all there.

I still don't get how 14 days were good enough in the first round of negotiations, but then 7 days wasn't acceptable in the 2nd round of negotiations. His fantasy kids get it. :boxing:

this is basically what floyd did. Floyd : "14 days." Manny : "no. but let me think about it." couple of months later Manny : " let's do 14 days." Floyd : "No. things changed. 0 days." Manny : "Let's make this happen and compromise. 7 days." Floyd : ................................. Manny to the public : "I'll take blood tests up to the fight and if he wants to test me in between rounds. let's get the fight done." Floyd : .............................. *goes beats up his kids/wife/security guard* Nice lie! It was more like Floyd: OST Pac:Sure, no problem, anytime. It's funny to us. Floyd:Ok, where do we sign? Pac: Oh, on second thought, I need 3, no 5, days. Also, I'm afraid of needles, I'm superstious, and giving blood weakens me. How about 30 days? I can only do a blood test 30 days b4 the fight. Floyd: No, OST up to the fight. Pac:Oops, u caught me lying about not giving blood b4 30 in the Hatton fight huh? I gave it at 24 then? Ok, 24 days. Floyd:Ok, I want this fight, so I will meet u in the middle. 14 days. Goes to arbitration Pac & Arum:We could not reach an agreement. FMJ is unreasonable and will not compromise. FMJ: I offered 14 days b4 we went to arbitration. Arum: No, he did not, I don't know what he is talking about. Arbitrator: Pac's team is misrepresnting the facts. 14 days was offered b4 the arbitration. 2days later Joshua Clottey: I've wont the lottery!! Hooray! Right b4 & After FMJ/Mosley FMJ: I compromised and they tried to make me look stupid. Now its OST all the way to the fight, or no fight. Soon after Pac: Ok, I will accept the 14 day offer(that we said was never offered originally) FMJ.................. Pac : Ok, I accepted w/no conditions. OST anytime. Konck:Pac accepted OST up to 7 days b4 the fight. FMJ.................

Looking back I'm convinced that this fight would have never happened even if Manny agreed to Commissioner Floyd's demands, anyway. The Fraud would still find a way to weasel out of the fight. So I blame Manny for not agreeing early. The Fraud would have been exposed early. It's now clear as duck's quack that they were all bluffs. The fact that the terms keep changing, ie, 14 - 0 days, means that the Fraud's interest in the fight was fake. OTOH, if I were Manny I would just have said, "Fukk off you c*nt, shove your stupid test up your a&& and fight somebody else." Bearing in mind that the demands which were unprecedented in boxing history were preceded by accusations of cheating without any shred of evidence.

this is basically what floyd did. Floyd : "14 days." Manny : "no. but let me think about it." couple of months later Manny : " let's do 14 days." Floyd : "No. things changed. 0 days." Manny : "Let's make this happen and compromise. 7 days." Floyd : ................................. Manny to the public : "I'll take blood tests up to the fight and if he wants to test me in between rounds. let's get the fight done." Floyd : .............................. *goes beats up his kids/wife/security guard* cixthree, this is all you need to read in a nut shell. If you have half a brain of a monkey you would still understand who is quacking lol

I've gotten into more than a few debates on this subject, I've been called everything in the book for just questioning Mannys rise in weight. But let me be totally clear on this, I do not hate Manny. Manny moving up was cool, I'm sure a bunch of us on here can admit that. Sr made his comment, Floyd made his demand, Manny declined and thats what tarnished the wow factor. Not to say he'd been cheating, it was him declining to be tested. Now we can go all around the apple tree with his reasons, but in the PED era declining to be tested just can't be swept under the rug. There is no grey area these days, you just never know who's juicing and who's not. And I refuse to just take a mans word for it, when we have tests that can pretty much end the whole argument. I was caught up in the hype, seeing one of my top fighters move up and handle his bizz was cool. But as soon as Manny declined and the (You gotta admit, some/most the shyt that came out was pretty silly) reasons/excuses started, that's when my red flag went up. It was'nt Srs comment but Mannys refusal, I just wanted to get that straight. I'm not looking to debate the subject, but i feel this is how most of the people feel who question Mannys move up. It's not hate or envy, why would I envy the man? And even the most diehard Manny fan would have to admit, If the tables were turned and Floyd refused all hell would break loose.... I'm just being honest... It was the refusal to test that raised my red flag. You say you are honest .... BUT then what about Floyd's refusal to negotiate the 2nd time around when Manny brought it down to 7 days and also said, I would even fight in between the rounds to get this fight on? Floyd DID NOT come back and tell us that it was Manny's fault that they weren't fighting the 2nd fight. Floyd just said that he didn't want to fight Manny, there were no negotiations and that he would rather take a long vacation. So where is your red flag on Floyd and his vacation?

no, its floyd and his fans turn to call manny a liar and go in hiding, er vacation. If they really wants some BLOOD, for sure Pacman will give them a dose of their own, by turning the face of Pacman' opponent into a BLOODY distorted mess! (see all the faces of Pacman's past opponents with the exception of Clottey, who elected to cover up his face!)

Pacman has AGREED to blood testing in his proposed fight with Floyd jr., Its the turn of Mayweather camp to say YES or NO! no, its floyd and his fans turn to call manny a liar and go in hiding, er vacation.

Pacman has AGREED to blood testing in his proposed fight with Floyd jr., Its the turn of Mayweather camp to say YES or NO!

Again, if Floyds stand is 0 days, what is there to talk about? Everybody knows Floyds position, but nobody is even asking why Manny wont just do it... The excuses are out the window now, being weak, affraid of giving blood, supersticions... It's all out the window, so why not ask why won't Manny just do 0 cut offs..... 14 was offered and declined, why did'nt he just take the 14? Funny how you flipped my post... Again Floyd stance was 14 and then 0.. get those facts straight.. Why the change of heart when Pac agreed to the 14 and now zero.. but really it doesnt matter anymore cause Floyd isnt interested... Extreme PED testing, Olympic testing, cut offs, cleaning up the sport of boxing, all that BS disappeared and boxing continued to move forward... and who disappeared with it..

IS IT STILL DECEMBER 2009 NOW? IS THERE A PAC - FLOYD fight NEGO? :headbang:

I've gotten into more than a few debates on this subject, I've been called everything in the book for just questioning Mannys rise in weight. But let me be totally clear on this, I do not hate Manny. Manny moving up was cool, I'm sure a bunch of us on here can admit that. Sr made his comment, Floyd made his demand, Manny declined and thats what tarnished the wow factor. Not to say he'd been cheating, it was him declining to be tested. Now we can go all around the apple tree with his reasons, but in the PED era declining to be tested just can't be swept under the rug. There is no grey area these days, you just never know who's juicing and who's not. And I refuse to just take a mans word for it, when we have tests that can pretty much end the whole argument. I was caught up in the hype, seeing one of my top fighters move up and handle his bizz was cool. But as soon as Manny declined and the (You gotta admit, some/most the shyt that came out was pretty silly) reasons/excuses started, that's when my red flag went up. It was'nt Srs comment but Mannys refusal, I just wanted to get that straight. I'm not looking to debate the subject, but i feel this is how most of the people feel who question Mannys move up. It's not hate or envy, why would I envy the man? And even the most diehard Manny fan would have to admit, If the tables were turned and Floyd refused all hell would break loose.... I'm just being honest... It was the refusal to test that raised my red flag. Thats all good brah... I disagree with you but I respect you for remaining a civil poster, at least from what i have seen.

pretty much. it was an issue in the 1st negotiations. it wasn't on the 2nd. floyd's legal problems is more of an issue now. if he can get that sorted out , then we might get the fight. Tru dat.... The thread was just to air out why my red flag went up.... People seem to think that when you question Manny it's hate or a race thing or Srs comment had the bulk to do with it... Deep down I think it raised a flag in all of boxing, but it's taboo to speak on it.

true that.. its is a dead issue.. no ones talking about PED's, Olympic Style testing, random - cut off dates, etc..... Boxing still moved forward Thread Starter, I understand that when Pacman refused the test AT FIRST, it raised a red flag in your mind, which would.. but its one thing if the NSAC called for the extreme test and Pacman said "HOLD ON" then we have an issue but when FM calls for extreme test then disappears from boxing then the truth clearly unfolds... If Floyd took 14 off the table, and now his stance is 0 days or no fight, what is there to nego? As easy as Manny took the random NSAC ordered test, would'nt it be that easy to do OST with 14 days like he was offered? I mean, they are saying he'll do 7 now. That must mean they know where Floyd stands (0 days) and now they make it seem as if they wanna work it out? Surprisingly the one who started up all this mess with the accusations and the plea to "clean up the sport" disappeared also.... Again, if Floyds stand is 0 days, what is there to talk about? Everybody knows Floyds position, but nobody is even asking why Manny wont just do it... The excuses are out the window now, being weak, affraid of giving blood, supersticions... It's all out the window, so why not ask why won't Manny just do 0 cut offs..... 14 was offered and declined, why did'nt he just take the 14?

To be honest you dudes need to let the sh1t go. Sh1t is a dead issue. pretty much. it was an issue in the 1st negotiations. it wasn't on the 2nd. floyd's legal problems is more of an issue now. if he can get that sorted out , then we might get the fight.

I don't agree with his refusal to test also, but I despise witch hunts even more... he didn't refuse extra testing. he refused floyd's testing. for most people unlimited urine testing and 3 blood tests would have been enough. and i think for most of the public it was enough.

I still don't get how 14 days were good enough in the first round of negotiations, but then 7 days wasn't acceptable in the 2nd round of negotiations.Keeping things civil..... Look at it the other way... 14 days was'nt good enough for Manny, Floyd took it off the table after Manny walked and now it's 0 days... What else is there to talk about after that? Hence the wacky 2nd negos, why would Floyd even entertain any other offer? Nobody ever asks why Manny wants 7 when 14 was offered... As a fan, 14 was good enogh and 7 is better. But as a biz man, Floyd did offer him 14 and he walked so now it's 0 or no fight which was Floyds first offer. The reason Manny wants 7 is cause they know 0 days is whats on the table now, so why not just take it? i mean Manny did walk when that was the only issue left. (But I can't understand why it was an issue in the first place)

I still don't get how 14 days were good enough in the first round of negotiations, but then 7 days wasn't acceptable in the 2nd round of negotiations.

To be honest you dudes need to let the sh1t go. Sh1t is a dead issue. true that.. its is a dead issue.. no ones talking about PED's, Olympic Style testing, random - cut off dates, etc..... Boxing still moved forward Thread Starter, I understand that when Pacman refused the test AT FIRST, it raised a red flag in your mind, which would.. but its one thing if the NSAC called for the extreme test and Pacman said "HOLD ON" then we have an issue but when FM calls for extreme test then disappears from boxing then the truth clearly unfolds... Surprisingly the one who started up all this mess with the accusations and the plea to "clean up the sport" disappeared also....

Now i can rest in peace:burnout: