Has Mayweather ever faced someone with footwork and movement as good as Pac's?

I can understand if that was his 10th pro fight or something, but that was his 50-51st pro fight. What exactly was he still learning? People crack me up with Pac has improved since such and such fight. I remember in an interview before Pac-JMM II Roach(The Great) said This fight will be different because Pac had improved and now has a right hand. Guess what, the dynamics of the fight were essentially the same. Now everyone is saying the same about JMM Pac has improved so JMM will get killed. They also add the Pac is much bigger now argument(The weight argument has some merit IMHO). However, styles makes fights and none of this can be proved unless Pac fights JMM again(Wrong thread for this rant i think) Howver Pacfans have taken a page out of Floydfans book. Pac can beat him because of xyz so there is no reason to fight him.:bottle:

we dont see that footwork agianst clotty and marg as much(and to some degree cotto) because he throws it out the window for the sake of the fight, agianst de la hoya he didnt do that he shows it all right there, he was to concerned with de la hoya and that being his frist time p at the weight he didnt throw the movement game out the window and go for a fight

To be honest, we didn't see Pac bring his increased lateral movement into his game until after the second Marquez fight. You could see in that fight he was still learning. The Diaz fight onward Pac continued to get better at using side to side movements and adapting his footwork to that style. The DLH fight was the first time we saw the current version of Pac's fighting style and he has only refined his style since then. I can understand if that was his 10th pro fight or something, but that was his 50-51st pro fight. What exactly was he still learning?

Then why hasn't anyone else been doing the same thing to these same plodding forward opponents? You have to admit, Pac's footwork is what makes him able to deal with these much bigger fighters, if you can't see that then.... If you read the post above yours i stated why we didn't see it in the jmm fights. Pac wasn't getting frustrated coz of cotto's movement, he was getting frustrated that he was running instead of fighting. Pac cut off the ring and hunted cotto down for the second half of that fight. He taunted cotto to make him fight instead of playing the running game and cotto took up the offer. I read your quote above and I did not see you state why I didn't see his great footwork in the JMM fights. I respectfully disagree about the Cotto Fight. The ref stopped the fight because Bayless got fustrated with Cotto running(I think). However, The reason Cotto lasted to the 12th round is because Manny could not catch up to him to finish him. Manny is a very powerful puncher. If he was consistently taking punishment in the second half of the fight then it would have been a KO or a more valid stoppage. The KO or valid stoppage did not happen because Manny could not cut off the ring on Cotto. BTW I agree with the stoppage because it was clear Cotto was no longer willing to fight and I think that's why Bayless stopped it(IMHO).

Styles makes fight. I fighter great footwork and movement will demonstrate it against all comers. how come Pac could not demonstrate it in JMM I and II. Additionally where was Pacs great footwork and movement in the second half of the Cotto fight, when Cotto was running and Pac was getting fustrated becuase he could not catch up with Cotto. Pacfans please explain this for me. If you read the post above yours i stated why we didn't see it in the jmm fights. Pac wasn't getting frustrated coz of cotto's movement, he was getting frustrated that he was running instead of fighting. Pac cut off the ring and hunted cotto down for the second half of that fight. He taunted cotto to make him fight instead of playing the running game and cotto took up the offer.

Styles makes fight. I fighter great footwork and movement will demonstrate it against all comers. how come Pac could not demonstrate it in JMM I and II. Additionally where was Pacs great footwork and movement in the second half of the Cotto fight, when Cotto was running and Pac was getting fustrated becuase he could not catch up with Cotto. Pacfans please explain this for me.

People are overhyping Pacquiao's footwork, it is easy to focus on that element of your game when you're in the ring with opponents who essentially plod foward. As they essentially allow you to do what you want. When you're fighting someone who also focuses on footwork it is harder to look impressive as you have to think about what you're doing more. If it is not a primary aspect of your game there is a tendency to abandon it as it would cause you to lose focus on your stronger areas. Then why hasn't anyone else been doing the same thing to these same plodding forward opponents? You have to admit, Pac's footwork is what makes him able to deal with these much bigger fighters, if you can't see that then....

People are overhyping Pacquiao's footwork, it is easy to focus on that element of your game when you're in the ring with opponents who essentially plod foward. As they essentially allow you to do what you want. When you're fighting someone who also focuses on footwork it is harder to look impressive as you have to think about what you're doing more. If it is not a primary aspect of your game there is a tendency to abandon it as it would cause you to lose focus on your stronger areas. Best post in this thread. Instead we have grown azz men talking about other peoples balls.

People are overhyping Pacquiao's footwork, it is easy to focus on that element of your game when you're in the ring with opponents who essentially plod foward. As they essentially allow you to do what you want. When you're fighting someone who also focuses on footwork it is harder to look impressive as you have to think about what you're doing more. If it is not a primary aspect of your game there is a tendency to abandon it as it would cause you to lose focus on your stronger areas.

Since you like copying Mayweather's let me give you one of their famous quotes. YOu don't know sh1t about boxing. If you did, you'd know that Pacquiao has plenty of skill and isn't all brute strength. He isn't exactly a Arturo Gatti on Steroids. He has tricky footwork, he gets in, throws his combination and SIDE-STEPS HIS OPPONENT before they can retaliate. This particularly works against stationary fighters like Clottey and Margarito. Which is another thing most of you Pacquiao critics like to get into, criticizing his opposition. Which one is it, his quality of opposition or his Extra-ordinary abilities.....pick one and stick with it. over rated quality of opposition

Spare me the boxing lecture. I know this aint no weight lifting contest. I am a boxing fan and been for a long time. You want to act like some stuff is normal when its not.Ok. If it was normal all this talk would not even exist and Pac would be top 200 boxers. I seen his progression and understand what he got better at. = "Look man I dont know what Im talking about so spare me, Ive equaled this to a weight lifting contest which makes zero sense. Ive been watching boxing for along time and I still dont know much about anything. Ok . Im convinced he's on steroids and I have nothign else to offer, so there's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise."

This is true, Hatton's footowork is overlooked and underrated. The guy has footspeed. His problem was no coordination with the upper body, too much lunging in with wild hooks etc,. But yes he had very good footspeed and could get to Floyd much better than other opponents and crowd him. This isn't a coincidence by the way, Hatton is a Soccer player. ^^^ Hatton wasnt a "soccer" player he might of played with his mates but he wasnt any good, i cant see the link between soccer & footspeed

duckqiao the same guy who tried to do the ali shuffle but got punched instead? :lol1: clottey hardly threw a punch and he made him look like a mess the truth is that duckqiao blocks the punches with his head. And still Floyd's not confident to fight him!!

I think the tricky footwork part, comes from his selection of opponents. Like I honestly didn't see his tricky footwork against Marquez in the rematch. To be honest, we didn't see Pac bring his increased lateral movement into his game until after the second Marquez fight. You could see in that fight he was still learning. The Diaz fight onward Pac continued to get better at using side to side movements and adapting his footwork to that style. The DLH fight was the first time we saw the current version of Pac's fighting style and he has only refined his style since then.

Since you like copying Mayweather's let me give you one of their famous quotes. YOu don't know sh1t about boxing. If you did, you'd know that Pacquiao has plenty of skill and isn't all brute strength. He isn't exactly a Arturo Gatti on Steroids. He has tricky footwork, he gets in, throws his combination and SIDE-STEPS HIS OPPONENT before they can retaliate. This particularly works against stationary fighters like Clottey and Margarito. Which is another thing most of you Pacquiao critics like to get into, criticizing his opposition. Which one is it, his quality of opposition or his Extra-ordinary abilities.....pick one and stick with it. I think the tricky footwork part, comes from his selection of opponents. Like I honestly didn't see his tricky footwork against Marquez in the rematch.

Mayweather has not exactly been with a Pacquiao twin but he has fought guys with handspeed like for example Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell also another southpaw Corley with power at the time. Pacquiao on the other hand has not fought a fighter who is know for having good handspeed. When/if Pacquiao faces Mayweather, the handspeed of Mayweather will be the fastest he's ever encountered and this will be a problem. Pacquiao's handspeed on the other hand, will be nothing really over the top for Mayweather. You may have a point with the footwork but that's about it.

I also thought of Hatton, he does have somewhat decent foot work but he lacks the in and out movement of Pac. I'm curious to see how Floyd does against Pac if Pac decides to try win on points by flurrying and getting out. Will Floyd be forced to become the aggressor? Oh and don't give me that BS Pac got hit by Margs and Clottey, he could box them all night if he wanted too, he'd rather give the crowd a good show. Watch rounds 5 - 6 of the Margarito fight where Pac uses lateral movement and boxes Margs ears off until he gets bored and goes back in for a more frontal assault. So basically, Mayweather has dealt with opponents of similar hand speed or faster albeit from a very orthodox straight forward approach but he has never had to deal with someone who moves a lot, has the speed to get in and out and frustrate him. Do you guys wonder what Floyd would do if he was getting outpointed by a guy who had the speed to keep away from him all night?

I' still hoping that the two will settle the issue inside the Ring! Pacman last fight with Margs, shows that he can counterpunch with great speed!

fukk no,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Spare me the boxing lecture. I know this aint no weight lifting contest. I am a boxing fan and been for a long time. You want to act like some stuff is normal when its not.Ok. If it was normal all this talk would not even exist and Pac would be top 200 boxers. I seen his progression and understand what he got better at. So which one is it? Is Manny on PEDs or is he fighting tailor made, shot/weight drained opponents. If it's the latter, what's abnormal about beating those type of opponents? Shouldn't Manny look spectacular if that's the case?