The main guys at welterweight are

Berto hasn't beaten a single ranked WW, much less any of those guys. He hasn't beaten a single guy that is in the top 100 P4P. Do people realize how bad Freddy Hernandez is? He was knocked down and should have lost to the Garcia guy that Margo beat in every round, even though everyone said Margo looked terrible in that fight. Berto may turn out to be a great fighter, but he also might turn out to be one of the biggest busts ever. No way of knowing how he would do in a megafight against an elite opponent. I think it's better for Berto if he gets some more fights under his belt before trying to take on Pac or PBF. Has anyone ever gone from a Freddy Hernandez level fight to a megafight with the #1 P4P? Has anyone ever had their first ranked opponent be the #1? I like how all these people who defends Berto avoided this post. Really Berto hasn't beat a top 10 welterweight yet. Dude had a gift decision to collazo. You know how big a jump is it from jumping from a non ranking fighter to fighting Floyd or Pacquaio. Add the fact that berto has a suspect chin. And even if pacquaio beat Berto we all know you will not give him any credit and start calling him a bum, just like yall do to Hatton, Cotto, Margartio, and clottey. **** I don't even think Berto can beat a shot shane mosley.

Clottey is the number one guy in the WW division right now. He'll take Berto to school that's why berto's been avoiding him for so long.

I don't give a sh!t about his win or lost. Berto has been at welterweight longer than Clottey has and he hasn't fought a big name fight. Clottey have fought Margarito and Cotto. Arum have a case when he said Berto have fought no big name at welterweight. Im sure Arum knows that the match that we than fans want to see is Berto vs Pac but he is right about Berto not fighting any big name yet. Right, but what your arguing about "what Bob thinks" contradicts that Bob thought Pac foughgt big names at JMW so he deserved to fight for a JMW title..... What BIG name did Pac beat at JMW to earn the right for a JMW title? Who's more deserving Berto fighting for Pac's WW title or Pac fighting that JMW title? Who fought "big names" to earn a right at either title? See the contradicting logic your attempting to argue? lol Just stick with the you would rather see Pac vs Berto story and its all good. Trying to validate what Bob does just makes you look like a contradicting hypocrite. Bob has an agenda.... and you cant justify it but either buy it, or wait for the replay! btw Clottey is dog shyt and if he didn't fight under the banner of Top Rank, he would have NEVER gotten a shot at Pac, just as Mosley didn't get a "shot" at Pac (because by your logic, he didn't fight BIG enough names?) Bob has an excuse for everything to make his agenda. Just like he did for Mayweather, Mosley back in 2009, JMM III, Berto, and Martinez. When the time is right he will contradict himself and say so and so deserves a shot just as he's doing with Mosley now. But one must ask, what has Mosley done that he didn't already do back in 2009 when he was willing to fight at 141-147 and was told "NO" multiple times? lol Bob has an agenda. If Floyd returns, since Pac/Arum raced to sign Mosley, Floyd will fight Berto, the undefeated WBC WW Champion that had no big names under his belt. Worst part, once he fights Mayweather Bob will approve his big name status and say he deserves a fight with Pac. Just one problem, Berto wouldn't be the WBC Champion, wont be undefeated and would mean nothing to Pac..... then again, that's just my guess of how it will pan out. Also, wtf are you talking about Berto being at WW longer than Clottey.... you do know how long Clottey's been around (and still a nobody) right?

mayweather will shi+ on all of em All Mayweather is is a could, should, and would.

Berto getting a Pac fight has nothing to do with the merit of his record at this point. It's simply a case of last man standing. No one left at 147 for Pac after Mosley. Once Pac's done with Shane, Pac-Berto should happen. Like I said I would rather see Berto vs Pac over Mosley vs Pac but when you're analizing it between the two of them, Arum does have a case. Berto hasn't had any big name to go along with his name at welter.

Berto hasn't beaten a single ranked WW, much less any of those guys. He hasn't beaten a single guy that is in the top 100 P4P. Do people realize how bad Freddy Hernandez is? He was knocked down and should have lost to the Garcia guy that Margo beat in every round, even though everyone said Margo looked terrible in that fight. Berto may turn out to be a great fighter, but he also might turn out to be one of the biggest busts ever. No way of knowing how he would do in a megafight against an elite opponent. I think it's better for Berto if he gets some more fights under his belt before trying to take on Pac or PBF. Has anyone ever gone from a Freddy Hernandez level fight to a megafight with the #1 P4P? Has anyone ever had their first ranked opponent be the #1?

mayweather will shi+ on all of em

Berto, Mosley, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Willams Berto hasn't even fought one of those guy LOL. I know that doesn't mean that Berto doesn't deserve the fight with Pacquiao. I would rather see Berto vs Pacquiao than Mosley vs Pacquiao but Arum does have a case because Berto doesn't have any good name user his resume. Berto getting a Pac fight has nothing to do with the merit of his record at this point. It's simply a case of last man standing. No one left at 147 for Pac after Mosley. Once Pac's done with Shane, Pac-Berto should happen.

Ouch......................... It just shows that the TS knew who Berto was before he knew who Clottey was.

Really? Berto has been at WW longer than Clottey has even though Clottey was at WW 10 years before Berto became pro? How does that work? :thinking: Stop being dumb.

Really? Berto has been at WW longer than Clottey has even though Clottey was at WW 10 years before Berto became pro? How does that work? :thinking: Ouch.........................

I don't give a sh!t about his win or lost. Berto has been at welterweight longer than Clottey has and he hasn't fought a big name fight. Clottey have fought Margarito and Cotto. Arum have a case when he said Berto have fought no big name at welterweight. Im sure Arum knows that the match that we than fans want to see is Berto vs Pac but he is right about Berto not fighting any big name yet. Really? Berto has been at WW longer than Clottey has even though Clottey was at WW 10 years before Berto became pro? How does that work? :thinking:

Are you serious? Clottey.... WTF is it with people and Clottey? Is it that Pac fought him so that makes him a great WW now? Tell me again who he's beaten other than Judah in the last what 5 years, 6, 7, 8 years? Anything? What has this guy done at WW besides lose every important fight? He's called a gate keeper. As for Cotto, Margarito and Pwill? They're not even WW's... At the end of the day Arum has an agenda. That's what it comes down too. Its not about "ability", "availability" but "Marketability". It's not about who deserves a shot or who has the skills to compete, let a lone what the fans want. Its what about what brings in the most money for Bob. It doesn't matter "who's" around or what going on. Arum has agenda and certain fighters are not on it. They make a fight and spend 4 months trying to justify the selection to the "fans". They say over and over how "dangerous" a fighter is. As if we needed to be told that if a fighter really was "dangerous" or not.... Arum is fooling a lot of you clowns. Berto is a top (green) guy AT WW and needs a big name to put him on the map just as Pac needed Hoya to put him on the map. Pac fighting Berto would have been a good choice IMO but I understand how Arum works and know its not about matching up the best vs the best or giving the fans what they want. Reason Arum didn't agree to put Pac in the ring with Floyd. Same reasons we didn't get Mosley in 2009, JMM III, Martinez and Berto..... Arum has an agenda. I don't give a sh!t about his win or lost. Berto has been at welterweight longer than Clottey has and he hasn't fought a big name fight. Clottey have fought Margarito and Cotto. Arum have a case when he said Berto have fought no big name at welterweight. Im sure Arum knows that the match that we than fans want to see is Berto vs Pac but he is right about Berto not fighting any big name yet.

He is calling out Pac... does that count, sir? Everybody is calling out Pac LOL....

Proboxing says: 1.Manny Pacquiao - Numbers 1 and 2 not only in the pound for pound list, but also in the welterweight division, Pacquiao vs. Mayweather must happen. Pacquiao has a good showing over Joshua Clottey, and a dominant effort against Antonio Margarito, which while a fight for a junior middleweight title, was basically contested at welterweight. His most impressive performance at welterweight (read: 145 lbs), was still over Miguel Cotto. 2.Floyd Mayweather – Mayweather put on a truly dominant performance over Shane Mosley, a fight that many considered one of his most dangerous and challenging to date. We knew he would be faster, but he was also stronger and perhaps even more powerful as the fight wore on. Of course, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao needs to happen. Mayweather could be ranked as number 1 in the division, but really the only way to solve the ranking dilemma is by these two meeting in the ring. 3.Andre Berto – Sure, Berto has been a titleholder for over two years, but he hasn’t faced the best competition. Many people felt that he lost to Luis Collazo, and dominating junior welterweight Juan Urango is only moderately impressive. The win over Quintana was solid, but Berto still hasn't met anybody that had a real chance to beat him. Regardless of his competition, Berto has serious hand speed, a great offensive arsenal and good power. Whether he has the chin and the defense to be the top dog is very questionable. 4.Shane Mosley– Oh, what could have been for Shane Mosley. He had Mayweather arguably as hurt as he's ever been in his career in the second round of their fight, but that's all he was able to accomplish and he was dominated the rest of the way. Somehow he managed to land a bout against Manny Pacquiao, for May 7th, 2011. Good luck in that one, 39-year-old Sugar. 5.Joshua Clottey – Clottey has now lost the three biggest fights of his career, against Antonio Margarito, Cotto, and Pacquiao. While he acquitted himself fairly well against Cotto, it was a seeming non-effort or complete inability to keep up with the Pacman in his shot at the big-time. He could still step in with a fighter like Andre Berto and give him trouble, or maybe there's a rematch against Margarito or Cotto in his future. 6.Jan Zaveck: Zaveck is the IBF titleholder and is coming off a Majority Decision win over the guy who gave him his only loss, Rafal Jackiewicz, back in November of 2008. The competition he has been facing more than leaves something to the imagination, but that could be said for Andre Berto, too. 7.Kell Brook - Brook is one of the hottest names in the British and UK boxing scene. He currently sits at 23-0 with 16 KOs, and is looking to come to the states to start turning things up a notch. He was lined up to face American prospect Mike Jones, but Jones is at least temporarily tied up with his rematch against Jesus Soto-Karass. 8.Saul Alvarez - He's been fighting at around 150 lbs for most of his recent fights, but wisdom with a young prospect means that he'll drop a few pounds for his first run at a title and big time fights, before moving back up down the road. Just 20 years old, 35 (26) - 0 - 1 , and already with all of Mexico and Golden Boy behind him, we'll be seeing plenty of Alvarez in the future, bank on it. 9.Alfonso Gomez - Gomez has strung some wins together since the one-sided loss to Miguel Cotto. It's enough to see his way onto this list, but one would think he doesn't have much more room to climb in this competitive scene. A fight with Abregu would be great for both men. 10.Luis Carlos Abregu - Who doesn't like to see this guy fight? He's a fight fan's dream... game-changing power with a chin that puts him in enough trouble that he is forced to break it out and swing for the fences. He's clearly not on par with the top three guys in the division, and that showed when junior welterweight stud Timothy Bradley dominated him. But Abregu vs. Clottey, Gomez, or anyone else in the top 10 would be a good one. http://www.proboxing-fans.com/weight-class-rankings/welterweight-division/ my personal choice Pacquaio mayweather Berto Mosley Zaveck in that order

Berto, Mosley, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Willams Berto hasn't even fought one of those guy LOL. I know that doesn't mean that Berto doesn't deserve the fight with Pacquiao. I would rather see Berto vs Pacquiao than Mosley vs Pacquiao but Arum does have a case because Berto doesn't have any good name user his resume. He is calling out Pac... does that count, sir?

So this thread is not about the main guys at WW right now? OK, then... See, what i mean... :dunno:

The main guys are at WW are Mayweather Pacquiao Berto Zaveck Senchenko ^^^^^^^:haha: Here comes Mr know-it-all (again), pretending he knows everything about boxing. :lol1: He thinks all opinions are wrong except his. :lol1:

Berto, Mosley, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Willams Berto hasn't even fought one of those guy LOL. I know that doesn't mean that Berto doesn't deserve the fight with Pacquiao. I would rather see Berto vs Pacquiao than Mosley vs Pacquiao but Arum does have a case because Berto doesn't have any good name user his resume. Are you serious? Clottey.... WTF is it with people and Clottey? Is it that Pac fought him so that makes him a great WW now? Tell me again who he's beaten other than Judah in the last what 5 years, 6, 7, 8 years? Anything? What has this guy done at WW besides lose every important fight? He's called a gate keeper. As for Cotto, Margarito and Pwill? They're not even WW's... At the end of the day Arum has an agenda. That's what it comes down too. Its not about "ability", "availability" but "Marketability". It's not about who deserves a shot or who has the skills to compete, let a lone what the fans want. Its what about what brings in the most money for Bob. It doesn't matter "who's" around or what going on. Arum has agenda and certain fighters are not on it. They make a fight and spend 4 months trying to justify the selection to the "fans". They say over and over how "dangerous" a fighter is. As if we needed to be told that if a fighter really was "dangerous" or not.... Arum is fooling a lot of you clowns. Berto is a top (green) guy AT WW and needs a big name to put him on the map just as Pac needed Hoya to put him on the map. Pac fighting Berto would have been a good choice IMO but I understand how Arum works and know its not about matching up the best vs the best or giving the fans what they want. Reason Arum didn't agree to put Pac in the ring with Floyd. Same reasons we didn't get Mosley in 2009, JMM III, Martinez and Berto..... Arum has an agenda.

Floyd Pacman Berto,in that order!!