***wladimir klitschko's long, hard, stiff, accurate, penetrating jab***

Should of wrote no homo after that title

There were quite a few fighters that were not afraid of Tyson when he was good. Trevor Berbick is a good example. wtf??? berbick was ****ting himself against mike

I am sorry, but Frazier's 5foot9 ass would not have a prayer against either Klitschko. Not to take anything from him, as I think he would beat any current cruiserweight bar few, but with heavies? It's a different story. Frazier's main weapon is the one punch its practically impossible to hit Wlad with, left hook is what wlad would always see. Right overhands are also incredibly hard to land on him. His only real hole for a counter punch is for a pin point straight left. And if you noticed for the last 4 years or so Wlad is practically untouchable in the center of the ring, his real safety off zones are when he is near the ropes or his opponent is near the ropes, as Wlad sometimes hangs in the air after he throws the right hand. Normally the bigger you get the more advantages you have. This is why Pac would never fight Martinez. In the HW division, you can only get so big before you start to lose speed, coordination, and stamina. The Klit brothers are at that point where a very good smaller fighter can beat them based on their disadvantages. But so far, they have faced very few good fighters that had the stuff to beat them and none of them were on the level of a Joe Frazier.

You talk about Wlad fighting bums and never having fought a prime Tyson, Ali yet you're ignoring the fact that neither one of them fought anything close to a Wlad or Vitali - a complete package of 6'7 with a great jab. What good is that great jab and reach advantage against Tyson's power and high output which would certainly tire a fighter like Wlad within 6 rounds? Tyson beat's these guys on paper all the way. Wlad has been KO'd by lesser fighters, and Vitali quite when the going got tough. And we won't count the Lewis fight because according to you Klit fans, he wasn't having a hard time in there. You talk about them not being able to handle pressure of a Tyson, yet ignore the fact that if Bully Iron Mike isn't able to intimidate a fighter and get him out within the first half of the fight, he too fades....but again that doesn't count because he was already past his prime point in 1990 vs Douglas. That whole bully thing was complete nonsense. Haters made that crap up because it sounds good. There were quite a few fighters that were not afraid of Tyson when he was good. Trevor Berbick is a good example. Wlad doesn't have the balls to beat a Tyson, another reason out of many why he loses, and you know it. Look how scared he fought Sultan Ibrogumav (SP?). You are being owned seriously in this thread. In conclusion, you're historically biased and have this ideological idea that the past fighters have something that todays fighters don't, which is not true. It has nothing to do with todays fighters being any less. I agree the training, nutritional information, and dietary suppliments make a person a better athlete these days compared to if they were around 20 years ago. Even with all that Wlad and Vitali are not the greatest in history. You've shown you don't know your history, therefor you are not qualified to argue have well the Klits would have done or accuse me of being historically biased. Just STFU son and come back when you've educated your self on the history of the HW division.

Why are you bringing up the cooper fight now, shifting the goal post to distract from the fact that you're making it seem that it's ok to make excuses for Clay/Ali for bad performances, yet it's ok to hold any bad performance against the Klitschko's. And the whole Crackhead Floyd Mayweather act of You don't know sh1t about boxing and I do is idiotic, you're the idiot, not me my cocky little friend. Because some idiot brought up Clay going down. Pay attention.

Ali knocks him out. Too fast, too strong, too good A guy with a Hopkins avatar with a brain. I agree.

as i said before,, wladimirs jab is simply too long and hard,, he would be shoving it down ali's throat all nite until he finishes him off,, he will be coming at him from all angles

Ali knocks him out. Too fast, too strong, too good

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Davarryl Williamson was about to knock Wlad out lol... That is just plain not true. I mean you can stretch the truth all you want but that simply isn't what happened. You can't rewrite history. Wlad immediately got up from a flash knock down. Tell me otherwise.

lol this is a troll thread. But has good discussion goin.

Wlad and Vitali are the two most dominant heavyweight champs of all time. That's a fact. They dominate and KO all of their opponents. That's very impressive. I agree, both break Tysons jaw in the first round. Freakin amazing fighters those Klitschko brothers are, I tell you.

Yes but what i want to know is how they could have won to impress you Vitali, he's a good fighter but in some fights I see things that make him look vulnerable to guys like Tyson. He looked completely exhausted trying to get Corry Sanders out of there. He was completely winded after that fight like it took everything he had to get the KO. There's a lot of great champions from the past that would have had a field day with him after burning himself out like that. That fight and Wlads fight with Brewster showed these guys are not made to fight at the pace some fighters like Tyson and Frazier could pressure them with. Wlad, for such a big powerful man fights like he has something to be afraid of. The Ibrogumov (SP?) fight was a great example. He had so much respect for sultan, he couldn't take it upon himself to throw the right hand. He was probably afraid of the counter punch, that's all I can think of. How would he perform against ATG's? We know he doesn't have the best chin and doesn't recover fast enough. When I look at Wlad fight, I can see a fighter with the speed of Tyson or Ali would be able to hit him a lot. a lot compared to other fighters he's faced. But you know, hey, that's my opinion. I'm sure you look at it different. They are good fighters and I will repeat that over and over. I just don't agree they beat guys like Tyson, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Louis, Lewis, and maybe a few others. Lewis showed a prime Lewis would have KO'd Vitali on his best night by round 6. Vitali was on his way out when they stopped that fight, and that's exactly why those doctors finally stopped that fight. They were letting him go longer than normal with that horrible cut because he had hurt Lewis and it looked like he had a shot to beat Lewis. Once he started looking drained and hurt like he was at the end of round 6, they stopped it. Everyone knew Vitali's time was up. Just watch how he helled for dear life at the end of round 6. If Vitali couldn't beat an over weight old Lewis, how could he or Wlad beat the big time ATG's? There's just no way.

Dude, I said they were impressive but not impressive enough to compare them to ATG's. Go back and read what I said and don't forget next time. And you made a good point about physical advantages. Yes but what i want to know is how they could have won to impress you

RossCA is getting owned lol I own your mom.:smashfrea

OK dont start trolling now Oh shut up, you know you agree with him. lol

Your points make no sense Their heights and size help them out? You mean physical advantages? Like Ali with his speed, Tyson woth speed and power, RJJ with athletic ability? You argue with points but most dont make sense From the moment you said their wins were not impressive is when i know you were a hater. And the fact that you STILL cannot tell me what an impressive win is:smashfrea Dude, I said they were impressive but not impressive enough to compare them to ATG's. Go back and read what I said and don't forget next time. And you made a good point about physical advantages.

Ali fought a bunch of overrated bums, cruiserweights, light heavyweights and blown up middleweights. Wlad and Vitali are the two most dominant heavyweight champs of all time. OK dont start trolling now

No, you're just butt hurt because you can't effectively argue my points. Face it, you are extremely Biased nationally. Your pride in these fighters won't allow you see anything different. You are like me arguing with a Filipino about Pacquiao. A complete waste of time. I've owned you enough for now. Your points make no sense Their heights and size help them out? You mean physical advantages? Like Ali with his speed, Tyson woth speed and power, RJJ with athletic ability? You argue with points but most dont make sense From the moment you said their wins were not impressive is when i know you were a hater. And the fact that you STILL cannot tell me what an impressive win is:smashfrea