Gino, your good on numbers right? can you translate these numbers? :)
Th reason those numbers are so low for the Marquez vs Katsidis fight is because most Marquez and regular fight fans believed there was no point in the fight .Juan Diaz beat down Katsidis and JM Marquez had beat down Diaz. Jm Marquez deserved more than Mosely!!
lol! trying to twist the numbers? we all know that Pac-Margacheato is a junk fight but still 1.15M PPV... that nullifies your twisted logic.
Again, most here believe that JMM deserve a fight on Pac more than Mosely but to overprice himself that HUGE is his fault. Dont tell again that they should negotiate.. in all business aspects, no one will negotiate with you if you propose a no brainer proposal especially lots of bidders are crying out loud just to out bid others.
Duckiao;9852055']250k Marquez vs. Diaz 2
80k Mosley vs. Mora with a stacked undercard.
Numbers don't lie right?
Wow...
You did not just do that....This place is out of control.
have a fantasy fight where mosley battles with jmm...
whoever wins it has the right to have a bigger purse against pac.
i can see mosley having some timing problems with jmm. jmm connecting and coutering effectively. but once sugar pushes him in the ropes. those counters will be nothing and jmm would eat those punches from hell that margo experienced.
People dont realize how much Arum really hates GBPIts not a little squabble, it is full on hate
If Arum wont even talk directly to GBP to negotiate Pac-Floyd, he's not gonna give GBP another chance at Manny
Arum hates everyone that isnt Top rank, He prevent Mayweather from fighting a lot of fights when he was with Top rank, People forget that Mayweather only had 5 fights out of his 41 bouts that isnt with Arum.
JMM deserves a bigger payday than Mosley?
It all depends on what he brings to the table. Boxing is business, it is a sport but it is still big business. You get your share of the pie depending on your contribution to the business.
It is not what fights you won, and how you won them… it is how big an attraction you are. We can all shout here our praises for jmm’s accomplishments but the bottom line will always be “what you can contribute to the fight as a business.”
Floyd does not have a title right now, but will he still get a big chunk of the pie if he fights a boxing titlist other than pac? The answer here is obvious. So for those saying JMM should get a big pay than Mosley are missing the point.
He not only demanded 5M guarantee but also $5 per PPV above 500,000ppv. He is acting as if he is the main attraction. I also believe sharing is the least of his problem when it comes to Pacquiao rematch.
Granting that jmm lowers his demands, will he get the rematch?
As I have been saying all along, jmm blew his chance for a payday when he taunted and insulted pac. His unclassy approach to get the rematch has actually made it farther and farther from happening.
If you are the champ and the main attraction, would you give the man who insulted you a payday?
I don't agree with the Pac/Mosley fight but I can't help but notice how Mosley and Berto avoids personal attacks to get their payday with pacquiao. Those are classy approaches.
co-sign... aside from all that was mentioned above, the animosity between Top Rank and GBP is way too huge an obstacle to make this fight happen.
How can Marquez fights TOP guys and knocking them out, if his last two fights were a mere Contenders in Lightweight Division?
Marquez after he lost to mayweather Jr went back to Lightweight Div. and never fought any Champions above 135lbs!
Whereas, Pacman after he won the 2nd fight with Marquez went on to beat Champions above 135lbs!
Marquez should prove his worth as a worthy challenger of Pacman by fighting those Champions wanting to face Pacman also!
ofcourse he did
arum is scum...this is the biggest insult to marquez any promoter has openly expressed
nah! the biggest insult is what he did to himself when he allowed HBO to show to millions of viewers how he drinks his own piss nothing a promoter can do that can top that unless next time he lets them show him eating his own shiet
Well i think its kind of pointless because i think Arum would rather use Mosley to build fighters such as JCC up.
I mean i dont hate it but when fighters have rematches, there should be a reason for it and for this fight there really is no reason
we'll see.
i think mosley will fight cotto or marg if not both after pac.
only way was if gbp wasn't getting paid and gbp won't have any of that.
arum only mentioned jmm for show (and to dick gbp around)
People dont realize how much Arum really hates GBP
Its not a little squabble, it is full on hate
If Arum wont even talk directly to GBP to negotiate Pac-Floyd, he's not gonna give GBP another chance at Manny
I believe that JMM did more to do deserve this fight hes beaten good oponents and is the best lightweight in the world atm. Mosley is 0-1-1 in his last 2 fights since when has that been enough to earn you a payday with the p4p king
everyone is too picky.
fighters fight a lot of fights.
not every fight has to be some superfight.
mosley is still a name. he's still ranked at 147. he's still a viable opponent for cotto at 154.
how many fights in a fighters career was pretty pointless? 70? 80? 90 percents.
just how it is.
Well i think its kind of pointless because i think Arum would rather use Mosley to build fighters such as JCC up.
I mean i dont hate it but when fighters have rematches, there should be a reason for it and for this fight there really is no reason
Nah theres just no reason to have it anymore
When they fought, it was a Cotto's biggest chalange, his rise to the top of boxing with a win over Mosley and thats exactly what happened.
It was close but Cotto won it and is a completely pointless matchup
everyone is too picky.
fighters fight a lot of fights.
not every fight has to be some superfight.
mosley is still a name. he's still ranked at 147. he's still a viable opponent for cotto at 154.
how many fights in a fighters career was pretty pointless? 70? 80? 90 percents.
just how it is.
Yes exactly
JMM being with GBP completely killed his chances
only way was if gbp wasn't getting paid and gbp won't have any of that.
arum only mentioned jmm for show (and to dick gbp around)
maybe.
but remember cotto fight was close.
cotto-shane would still be a good fight.
Nah theres just no reason to have it anymore
When they fought, it was a Cotto's biggest chalange, his rise to the top of boxing with a win over Mosley and thats exactly what happened.
It was close but Cotto won it and is a completely pointless matchup
hard for jmm to compete with mosley.
if jmm said $4 mil. , mosley would just say $4 mil. too and get the fight.
mosley is a free agent so arum is pretty much promoting him for this fight as well.
plus there's the whole gbp thing going against jmm.
gbp might have agreed to step away from co-promotion of pac-jmm 3 but it's not like they were stepping away from the money.
jmm is still a gbp fighter and gbp still gets a bigger cut from a pac vs. gbp fighter than their cut from pac vs. non-gbp.
Yes exactly
JMM being with GBP completely killed his chances
Has to be Margo. No matter what happens, a Cotto rematch would be pointless at this time. Cotto already beat him years ago, so a win over a version of him who just got punched around the ring by both Pac and Floyd won't do much. He has bigger fish to fry like Martinez, Chavez Jr, Cintron, Martirosyan, Lara, etc. At least with Margo there's two possible scenario's where it makes sense.
1. If Margo gets by Cotto again, he proves that he still has it and he can go on to attempt to avenge his loss to Mosley.
2. If Margo loses to Cotto, there could still be a battle of the losers since we all know Mosley is gonna lose to Pac.
maybe.
but remember cotto fight was close.
cotto-shane would still be a good fight.
Thats a very good point you made man , in my eyes i believe that Juan Manuel Marquez does deserve the 5 million dollar payday.But the problem was i guess maybe he over priced himself out of a 3rd superfight with Manny Pacquiao and that what led to this out dated Shane Mosley fight.Hopefully Marquez and Pacquiao will eventually settle their differences inside the ring instead of some financial demands getting in the way of a fight that would most likely be way more meaningful and comptetive than the upcoming Mosley vs Pacquaio matchup.
hard for jmm to compete with mosley.
if jmm said $4 mil. , mosley would just say $4 mil. too and get the fight.
mosley is a free agent so arum is pretty much promoting him for this fight as well.
plus there's the whole gbp thing going against jmm.
gbp might have agreed to step away from co-promotion of pac-jmm 3 but it's not like they were stepping away from the money.
jmm is still a gbp fighter and gbp still gets a bigger cut from a pac vs. gbp fighter than their cut from pac vs. non-gbp.
yeah but how much more is gonna go to arum because the $5 million is going to mosley instead of marquez?
that's all arum gives a **** about.
he got mosley signed up for another bout too (probably cotto or marg)
Has to be Margo. No matter what happens, a Cotto rematch would be pointless at this time. Cotto already beat him years ago, so a win over a version of him who just got punched around the ring by both Pac and Floyd won't do much. He has bigger fish to fry like Martinez, Chavez Jr, Cintron, Martirosyan, Lara, etc. At least with Margo there's two possible scenario's where it makes sense.
1. If Margo gets by Cotto again, he proves that he still has it and he can go on to attempt to avenge his loss to Mosley.
2. If Margo loses to Cotto, there could still be a battle of the losers since we all know Mosley is gonna lose to Pac.
JMM deserves a bigger payday than Mosley?
It all depends on what he brings to the table. Boxing is business, it is a sport but it is still big business. You get your share of the pie depending on your contribution to the business.
It is not what fights you won, and how you won them… it is how big an attraction you are. We can all shout here our praises for jmm’s accomplishments but the bottom line will always be “what you can contribute to the fight as a business.”
Floyd does not have a title right now, but will he still get a big chunk of the pie if he fights a boxing titlist other than pac? The answer here is obvious. So for those saying JMM should get a big pay than Mosley is missing the point.
He not only demanded 5M guarantee but also $5 per PPV above 500,000ppv. He is acting as if he is the main attraction. I also believe sharing is the least of his problem when it comes to Pacquiao rematch.
Granting that jmm lowers his demands, will he get the rematch?
As I have been saying all along, jmm blew his chance for a payday when he taunted and insulted pac. His unclassy approach to get the rematch has actually made it farther and farther from happening.
If you are the champ and the main attraction, would you give the man who insulted you a payday?
I don't agree with the Pac/Mosley fight but I can't help but notice how Mosley and Berto avoids personal attacks to get their payday with pacquiao. Those are classy approaches.
Thats a very good point you made man , in my eyes i believe that Juan Manuel Marquez does deserve the 5 million dollar payday.But the problem was i guess maybe he over priced himself out of a 3rd superfight with Manny Pacquiao and that what led to this out dated Shane Mosley fight.Hopefully Marquez and Pacquiao will eventually settle their differences inside the ring instead of some financial demands getting in the way of a fight that would most likely be way more meaningful and comptetive than the upcoming Mosley vs Pacquaio matchup.