Who else would be MORE of a challenge than mosley?

Marquez Berto Martinez That was easy.

In terms of challenge I think given the guys that were in the mix (Mosley, Berto, Marquez 140) I think they are all about equal, the difference here is Mosley is a free agent allowing for more ease free negotiations. We all know how Arum likes to keep it in house, well this is just as appealing to him. Having said that, I am not really keen on it, however its could be a entertaining tear up.

I guess I'm old school but I find total dominance of a weight class then taking challenges at different weight classes (against lineal champs and undefeated guys) a lot more impressive than cherry picking titlists to get more belts at more weights. I so agree with this, I made a thread about it a while ago actually, but no one responded lol.

"he was old" was mentioned because I thought u were referring to the later stage of his career where he schools certain 'youngsters'. I see where you're coming from, but there's a slight mistake there in comparing Pacquiao with Bhop. As a reigning Middleweight champ for a long period....Hopkins obviously gets more critical looks at his defences specifically. That's his legacy, his long reign of defences. (and the fact that he kicks ass at such an old age). Pac's legacy is totally different, it is based on moving up in weight in an extreme way. pac's weight rise is similar to bhop's age defiance. However bhop can also lay claims to the mw defense record. I guess I'm old school but I find total dominance of a weight class then taking challenges at different weight classes (against lineal champs and undefeated guys) a lot more impressive than cherry picking titlists to get more belts at more weights. I've never been a big fan of belts at different weights unless they were won agains the best of that division and defended.

PAC fought Clottey who has 23 people in his fanbase, so that argument can go out the window too. And that fight generated 800k PPV buys...why would Team PAC fight another no name(Berto, Bradley etc) when a fighter with a name (Shane) is available and would increase their PPV buy rate to over a million? Its all about the moolah now. ;P

my ppoint is that bhop gets plenty of credit for taking on those two (and roy) because they were all undefeated young guns. You said bhop only did that when he was old so that invalidated my argument. which is not true. he wasn't considered old for those fights. oh yea, not to mention felix trinidad was about 40-0 when they fought. I wish floyd would stop being a vagina too, but under no circumstances is shane the answer. the money argument is weak, the "who else deserves it" argument is weak, and the "no other legacy fights" argument is weak "he was old" was mentioned because I thought u were referring to the later stage of his career where he schools certain 'youngsters'. I see where you're coming from, but there's a slight mistake there in comparing Pacquiao with Bhop. As a reigning Middleweight champ for a long period....Hopkins obviously gets more critical looks at his defences specifically. That's his legacy, his long reign of defences. (and the fact that he kicks ass at such an old age). Pac's legacy is totally different, it is based on moving up in weight in an extreme way.

Ok, before you guys go wild and curse me out, think about what i am about to say. Lets say Pacman decides to fight, bradley, khan, maindana or alexander? would that pose more of a challenge than sugar shane? The answer is, NO, pacman would knock the **** out of all those fighters. Now lets see if pacman decides to fight Berto at welterweight? We all know deep down, that even thought berto is powerful and talented, pacman would eat him without any difficulty. Pacman smokes marquez with ease as well, Marquez is not the same fighter, where as pacman is so many levels above than when they first fought. Now the only other possible challenge is to go to light middle and fight Cotto Or martinez? We all see what he did to cotto, I love Cotto but we all know the same result would happen again if they fought at light middle. As for martinez he is probably too big for Pacman and i dont think roach will want him to fight against another big guy again. What i am saying is, even though we all know mosely is old and probably past it...he is still decent oposition considering manny's options. Mayweather isnt gonna fight him, there isnt much else out there for him to fight. What does Pac get out of this fight besides a lot of money,He'll get more money and prestige fighting "MONEY".

The only people that would have a legit chance at 147 are PBF and PW. Anyone else and Pac is a 5-1 favorite at minimum.

MARTINEZ! Pacquiao should be looking at Martinez, if not Floyd. Why is it acceptable to pretend like he doesn't exist? Because it's Pacquiao.

Dude cmon gimme a bit more credit than that. What's ur point? my ppoint is that bhop gets plenty of credit for taking on those two (and roy) because they were all undefeated young guns. You said bhop only did that when he was old so that invalidated my argument. which is not true. he wasn't considered old for those fights. oh yea, not to mention felix trinidad was about 40-0 when they fought. I wish floyd would stop being a vagina too, but under no circumstances is shane the answer. the money argument is weak, the "who else deserves it" argument is weak, and the "no other legacy fights" argument is weak

wrong, you haven't been around long enough I guess. ever heard of jermain taylor or glen johnson? Dude cmon gimme a bit more credit than that. What's ur point?

MARTINEZ! Pacquiao should be looking at Martinez, if not Floyd. Why is it acceptable to pretend like he doesn't exist?

Dude Bhop is an old man that everyone writes off. By fighting young guys he proves himself to still be valid. Pac is absolutely killer right now. What the hell does he prove by fighting a young guy? NOTHING! Not comparable, invalid argument. wrong, you haven't been around long enough I guess. ever heard of jermain taylor or glen johnson?

c'mon man. berto fights scrubs and 140 lbsers. mosley just fought mora who is a stylistic nightmare for anyone and wifebeater JR. you can't base it on performances. if mosley fought scrubs and 140 lbsers, he'd be having great performances too. you seem to have left out that he quit vs floyd and only won one round.

Floyd Mayweather

Based of previous performances, Berto > Mosley. c'mon man. berto fights scrubs and 140 lbsers. mosley just fought mora who is a stylistic nightmare for anyone and wifebeater JR. you can't base it on performances. if mosley fought scrubs and 140 lbsers, he'd be having great performances too.

Do I wanna see Manny Berto? Hell yeah Do I think it will be made? Hell no...Berto hasn't fought anybody and can't generate money for ****. PAC fought Clottey who has 23 people in his fanbase, so that argument can go out the window too.

Sorry to ask a question in your thread, but, why was Arum in such a rush to get THIS fight done? They need to start building this fight up. Most likely it'll have alot of promotion, a 24/7, etcetc. It takes a 4-5 months to build up a big PPV fight.

Sorry to ask a question in your thread, but, why was Arum in such a rush to get THIS fight done?

This is not about fighting a young guy, this is about fighting the best in your division, at this very moment Berto is the best WW that's available for PAC. Do I wanna see Manny Berto? Hell yeah Do I think it will be made? Hell no...Berto hasn't fought anybody and can't generate money for ****.