Sorry if this has been discussed before but i'm just curious seeing as how he has felt a "weak" Pacquiao and a "strong" Pacquiao so to speak which Manny attributes to the blood drawn from him so early to fight night.
Did Morales ever make any comments about Pacquiao's strength? And I mean any comments at all, not just if Morales thinks Pac's on steroids or anything like that.
I'm a Pac fan but his performances have seemed superhuman. We all know he's had the strength. So what other explanation can there be for him being so weak against Morales? Yeah I don't expect him to KO all his opponents, but I truely believe he was weaker that fight.
And please no stupid comments that you try to make sound reasonable like "Pac never had power! He used steroid's since he was fighting in the Phillipines but he decided NOT to use them against Morales!!" - um?
Sorry for the block of text but these are all questions that come to you when you're a Pac fan and he won't take the tests and you have to sit there and ask WHY?
Last question though. If you believe Pac uses steroids or other things right before fights (that small window where he doesn't want full testing up til fight night), when do YOU think he started?
(And yeah I know started with looking for Morales' comments and ended up with all of this lol)
:You_Rock_ Many here who pretend to be knowlegeable boxing fans are like that. They spice their weak arguments with the use of invectives. They do this even with no provocations from poster they are quoting. Very sad.
I noticed sir, you don't stoop down to their level... green after I reload.
:boxing:
The only people pretending to be boxing fans are you and horge. You two are not boxing fans. You're Pacqiao fans.
Anything to discredit Erik Morales.
If Erik Morales had made pathetic excuses like that. You two would ridicule him. However, Pacquiao gets a free pass because you two seem to believe he is god.
You want to keep twisting my words and retreating to insult, but
you've still been exposed as unaware of what was being argued
even back in March 05 (in print media, even).
I already clarified that Morales' backers did the dirt.
As for "Marquez was with Arum".... wow, stop the presses.
Who was Pac with? Anyone who knows Arum for the scheming POS
he is should have no trouble seeing why I bought into the "little theory"
when it first came out.
Disagree with the "horseshit" or not... you still had no CLUE about
the prefight events and arguments, or you wouldn't try to argue
that it was just "MY little theory", made-up just now... lol.
Your misdirection and distortion are noise to deflect from your fail.
Your last-resort insults however, do grow tiresome, so...
Good bye.
Listen to how dumb you sound. You are sitting up here writing that Morales, in cahoots with the NSAC, had Manny do a re-test. The fukkouttahere. Stay on your knees and out of threads, f*ggot. Cuz this sh*t right here takes the cake.
Then read this:
2. I believe there was a conspiracy to force Manny to take
a retest. Disagree if you want, but I've seen even crazier
shenanigans attempted, to mess with an opponent's mind.
:lol1:
A conspiracy involving who exactly? LMAO @ Morales' colluding with the commission. You do realize Morales is promoted by Arum, right?
What a d*cksucker you are.
So much hate. :lol1:
I said I believed there was a conspiracy to make Manny take a retest,
via the inexplicable disappearance of his test results. If you don't buy
that theory, that's your choice.
You however tried to argue I made up that theory just here and now,
and I proved that it'd been published before --heck, it saw print even
before the fight started, and for months afterwards. You clearly didn't
know this, or much about the events and arguments leading up to fight
night... and have now retreated to your default of just throwing insults.
Have a nice day.
Ahh, now it's not fact, it's just your little horsesh*t theory, huh? So Bob Arum (Morales' promoter) conspired with the NSAC to make Manny retake an STD test? And they knew BEFORE this that Manny has a mental weakness against blood tests, right?
:lol1:
What a d*ckrider you are. And no, that's not an insult. Just a fact, you loser.
:lol1:
If I'm making it up as I go along, then maybe I dreamt THIS up.
This is WAY after the fact, but echoes what was very loudly
circulated immediately BEFORE the fight, and moreso after.
http://topgelato.com/pacquiao-vs-mayweather-update-the-truth-behind-pacquiaos-refusal-on-blood-test/12708
That's just one instance of published comment on the matter.
You can disagree with the conspiracy theory if you like, but almost
all your vitriol has beenover my supposedly making it up on-the-fly,
when it's actually been well milled grist in news media --that's why
I asked if you were paying any attention at the time of the prefight
leadup.
If you weren't, that's no sin --only Pacquiao and Morales fans at
the time were paying attention-- but don't come in here and act
as if you WERE dialed into everything that was happening then.
You wouldn't be asking about NSAC's contractor if you were.
As for 'STD', wtf does the test itself matter? ... the oft-cited
defense, howsoever weak, for Pac's refusal on OSDT has been an
aversion to blood loss, hence the reference to the blood-retake,
which I believe one of Erik's backers engineered.
Too many here are ready to believe that the system bends over
backwards to protect Pacquiao now that he's a star, but can't
even consider the possibility that the same system would have
worked AGAINST Pac when he wasn't well-known.
:You_Rock_ Many here who pretend to be knowlegeable boxing fans are like that. They spice their weak arguments with the use of invectives. They do this even with no provocations from poster they are quoting. Very sad.
I noticed sir, you don't stoop down to their level... green after I reload.
:boxing:
:lol1:
If I'm making it up as I go along, then maybe I dreamt THIS up.
This is WAY after the fact, but echoes what was very loudly
circulated immediately BEFORE the fight, and moreso after.
http://topgelato.com/pacquiao-vs-mayweather-update-the-truth-behind-pacquiaos-refusal-on-blood-test/12708
That's just one instance of published comment on the matter.
You can disagree with the conspiracy theory if you like, but almost
all your vitriol has beenover my supposedly making it up on-the-fly,
when it's actually been well milled grist in news media --that's why
I asked if you were paying any attention at the time of the prefight
leadup.
If you weren't, that's no sin --only Pacquiao and Morales fans at
the time were paying attention-- but don't come in here and act
as if you WERE dialed into everything that was happening then.
You wouldn't be asking about NSAC's contractor if you were.
As for 'STD', wtf does the test itself matter? ... the oft-cited
defense, howsoever weak, for Pac's refusal on OSDT has been an
aversion to blood loss, hence the reference to the blood-retake,
which I believe one of Erik's backers engineered.
Too many here are ready to believe that the system bends over
backwards to protect Pacquiao now that he's a star, but can't
even consider the possibility that the same system would have
worked AGAINST Pac when he wasn't well-known.
Didn't you say Morales conspired with the commission to make Manny take the tests? You and the rest of the stupid, pretend boxing fans known as Pactards make me sick. Cant wait till Manny retires and you f*cks are forced to live your miserable lives vicariously through someone else.
You clearly don't know anything about my attitude towards Erik.
Try searching for my posts regarding the man.
I'm reading your posts right here in this thread. You still refuse to give Morales credit for his last great performance and come up with a stupid conspiracy theory as to why he won.
Morales also took it just like Mayweather also offered to take it. Pacquiao strongly finished the 12th round in the fight. He did not look weak at all.
Again. It was just a blood test. Not a blood donation.
It's not steroids Pacqiuao takes. Pacquiao takes HGH. That is why he refused the blood tests and made excuses that supposably they make him weak. He knows that unlike urine tests, blood tests can reveal that he has been taking HGH.
LOL! and still no evidence to prove :D
Donating blood and taking a tea-spoon of blood for drug testing is a big difference. When you donate, they take quite a bit out of you. This is simply a drug test for crying out loud.
do you know the difference? Tea-spoon you say? that is funny, sir. Do you know how many they take out on bloodtesting?
I wake up to THIS? :nonono:
You weren't paying attention during the prefight ?
I'm talking about the ridiculous retake :nonono:
There's no shortage of conspiracy theories gaining acceptance here,
and this is one I happen to endorse. It was RATHER convenient for
NSAC's contractor to lose Pac's test results, and yes, I am pointing
to collusion between Morales' camp and the contractor.
It's no different from Flomos claiming collusion between TR and NSAC
when the latter ran a yay-or-nay on Tygart's pitch, except there's
actual smoke to my cries of fire: a blood-redraw so close to the fight.
Have a nice day.
The rtidiculous retake of what? An STD test? And what collusion was there between Morales and the COMMISSION? The contractor? Are you just making up sh*t as you go along? Go back to bed and dream up some more cockamamie crap.
I wake up to THIS? :nonono:
You weren't paying attention during the prefight ?
I'm talking about the ridiculous retake :nonono:
There's no shortage of conspiracy theories gaining acceptance here,
and this is one I happen to endorse. It was RATHER convenient for
NSAC's contractor to lose Pac's test results, and yes, I am pointing
to collusion between Morales' camp and the contractor.
It's no different from Flomos claiming collusion between TR and NSAC
when the latter ran a yay-or-nay on Tygart's pitch, except there's
actual smoke to my cries of fire: a blood-redraw so close to the fight.
Have a nice day.
That thought of possible collusion still lingers in mind up to this day. They wanted... I mean demanded.. blood test right before the fight.
Where did I claim that it was in the article?
"As already pointed out" was put in PRECISELY because I was
referring to a claim made on another thread which I had good
reason to think the TS would have been familiar with.
References, like that link, are often placed at the end of casual
content, but do not necessarily apply to the whole content.
If I had known proper footnoting was required here, I'd have
done it, but none of you critics bother to do that yourselves,
do you?
:nonono:
Have a nice day.
Anything to discredit Morales.
Are you really that emotionally attached to Pacquiao?
Even if he did. It is just a blood test. No one asked Pacquiao to donate blood.
yes Morales spoke on it a little but was told to shut his mouth or risk getting sued by Pac Morales advisers told him watch what you say. its on youtube cant rember the title on it sorry he also talks about how Pac is very demanding on the table its just good insight in what kind of person Pac is
There never was a lawsuit. Pacquiao did not even have a case. It was just a publicity stunt meant to make people think that Pacquaio is clean.
yes Morales spoke on it a little but was told to shut his mouth or risk getting sued by Pac Morales advisers told him watch what you say. its on youtube cant rember the title on it sorry he also talks about how Pac is very demanding on the table its just good insight in what kind of person Pac is
IDK about Morales making statements, but I know Barrera made a comment about Pac's urine test that Pac must be on "something" to have such a dark urine sample.
This was in 2003, before they first fought.
Pac uses EPO Steroids, which cannot be detected with urine tests.
EPO can only be traced with blood tests, within 44 hrs of use.
And Marquez drank Pac's urine before he had the chance to check it for steroids.
Marquez demanded a sample of Pacquiao's urine.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qv9CNj3TdfM/2.jpg
h.
ya
but he was just thirsty
LOL
im mexican and a jmm fan
but man i couldnt pass that one up
hahhahahahahha
HEY CABRON
YA PARA DE TOMAR PI PI
He didn't just use the blood making him weak excuse when the steroids issue came up. He said it in an interview in the Philippines when he went back there after the fight.QUOTE]
YOUR POINT IS MOOT. PERHAPS HE WAS WEAK WITHOUT STEROIDS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TAKE THEM IN FEAR OF GETTING CAUGHT BY THAT TEST AND HE SAID IT AS AN EXCUSE TO AVOID TAKING THAT SAME BLOOD TEST AGAIN.
It's not steroids Pacqiuao takes. Pacquiao takes HGH. That is why he refused the blood tests and made excuses that supposably they make him weak. He knows that unlike urine tests, blood tests can reveal that he has been taking HGH.
So many things have been said about this blood test. Most of the comments though are coming from people not knowledgeable on the issue.
Blood test do have some side effects on some people and most prevalent among teens. Adults also have reported some side effects such as
•Fainting and falling
•Sweating and chills
•Stiffness in joints
•Stress
•Nausea and convulsions
•Tingling sensation in lips or nose
These side effects are of temporary nature and subside in a day or two. what amazes me really is why they insisted doing the test on Pacquiao the day before the pac/morales fight. That question still lingers in my mind up to this day.
In the military, as part of community service it is normal for enlisted personnel to donate blood. I have witnessed some physically fit soldiers fainting after bloodletting. Some complain of stiffness in joints for a day or two. Most though don't show any significant side effects.
If Pacquiao says he is affected by it, I don't have any reason to doubt him.
Donating blood and taking a tea-spoon of blood for drug testing is a big difference. When you donate, they take quite a bit out of you. This is simply a drug test for crying out loud.
He didn't just use the blood making him weak excuse when the steroids issue came up. He said it in an interview in the Philippines when he went back there after the fight.QUOTE]
YOUR POINT IS MOOT. PERHAPS HE WAS WEAK WITHOUT STEROIDS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TAKE THEM IN FEAR OF GETTING CAUGHT BY THAT TEST AND HE SAID IT AS AN EXCUSE TO AVOID TAKING THAT SAME BLOOD TEST AGAIN.